Suns Vs. Hawks Final Score: Atlanta Falls To Phoenix 99-90
Quick Thought: Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, but three times is a trend.
Deep(er) Thoughts:
This is the third straight game where the box score doesn't look as much of a whitewash as the game did.
Joe Johnson and Josh Smith = 12/25, 35 points, eight rebounds, six assists, four steals.
Suns had a whopping seven attempted free throws. Seven! The Hawks were 18/21, getting 12 more points from the line than their victorious guests.
It sure looked like the Phoenix bigs were routing the Hawks for offensive rebounds. The Suns had 10 offensive rebounds and scored nine second chance points while the Hawks grabbed 11 offensive rebounds and scored 16 second chance points.
The great Steve Nash surely led a transition assault on the Hawks, right? Hawks 18, Suns 8.
Well then, it had to be turnovers. Suns 15, Hawks 7.
Well, what the heck happened?
It boiled down to this: The Hawks stood flatfooted on both sides of the floor while the Suns got open looks through crisp, quick ball movement. In a related story, the Hawks did a lot of dribbling and soloing tonight.
The result? The Suns shot over 57 percent through the first three quarters of the game while building a 20 point lead over the Hawks and only a spirited run by the Hawks scrubeenies forced the Suns starters back onto the floor to close out the game late.
Said Joe Johnson, "I think that our effort defensively -- I mean, we had a lot of breakdowns -- guys just not getting out to their man. In this league, guys getting wide open shots -- Nine times out of 10 they're going to make that."
Phoenix had six different players knock down threes as they shot 11-24 from that range. The Hawks, meanwhile, couldn't make shots when they even as open as the Suns were most of the night, missing 18 of their 24 shots from out there.
Johnson again, "I think we just didn't have great ball movement. In a situation when you get down, guys tried to do it themselves, and we had a lot of that tonight."
Phoenix also snuffed out many Hawk attempts to take it inside, blocking eight shots and stripping the Hawks of many other drives to the hoop. The Suns didn't need to come inside to get blocked or foul as they were plenty hot from the outside.
Afterthoughts:
The Suns first big run came when the bench fully took the court and laid a considerable egg, sending the Hawks down double digits quickly. But then the starters came back and clicked off an energetic 21-9 run to bring the Hawks down four with four seconds left.
Then Steve Nash took the inbounds pass and ran all the way to the top of the three point circle, hopped on one leg and hit a buzzer beating three that noticeably took the air out of Philips Arena.
Final Thoughts and Quotes:
It was a third home loss in a row after a historically good road trip, but Joe Johnson reminded me of a simple fact that those teams weren't good, and these teams have been:
"This is a test for us -- a challenge. You know the wins we got, to get to 16 wins, it was really no more than 3-4 quality teams during that stretch. We've been playing some quality teams lately. The teams we beat on the road, they were way under .500."
On Nash's buzzer beater and its impact:
"Well, I wouldn't say it took a lot out of us. We were way down and was still down seven. But third quarter, it seems as though we don't come out ready to play."
Says Larry Drew, "We just didn't stop the ball. He got across half court and got a good look at it. You have to defend until the horn and we didn't do that there."
Zaza's Take:
"They stayed solid for 48 minutes -- something that we didn't do."
"There were some loose balls we didn't get to -- defensively we gave up more than 50 percent and anytime you do that, you're going to struggle. That was the key."
(On Nash's buzzer beater) "I thought we did pretty good job to get the score down below 10 points before the half. He's shooting on one foot, shooting three --you live with that."
"Again, that's why against the good teams you have to be solid and show the extra effort if you want to win the game."
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what happened?
Didnt see game
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
by maxxj3 on Feb 6, 2012 9:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well that was unwatchable
atleast the score became respectable late.
Are we playing bad defense or are teams just hitting everything?
Tonight it seemed like they were hitting everything….Which is what also seemed to be happening against Philly.
Im going to go with hitting a ton of long jumpers
combined with the Hawks unwillingness to get to the stripe after getting their shots blocked early on was the downfall of this game. Also Steve Nash
From what I saw in the 2nd half, that's spot on
The starters just weren’t willing to mix it up inside. And Nash did have a good game too, but Atlanta’s lack of closing out on the perimeter shooters contributed to their hot shooting somewhat.
Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel
did they even have a FT attempt in the second half?
I mean what i was seeing out there was unreal, Josh doesnt get one flipping foul call and as a unit they stop going inside to him.
Honestly im putting this on Teague
You cant have the coach telling you to do things on the court. He’s got to start thinking out there on the basketball court.
No way in hell should Steve Nash be able to stay in front of him. Demand the damn ball, get inside, create looks for others. Or feed Josh Smith, who abused anybody and everybody guarding him tonight when given the ball on the inside and start the offense there.
But just sitting back and running the sets called BS is going to stop working once teams know the play call due to advanced scouting.
Soooo with games against the Pacers, Heat, Magic and Lakers next
How long til we start entertaining trades involving Kirk/Marvin/Josh?
Stop me if you've heard this before. An Atlanta team chokes in the postseason...
doubtful
Josh Smith, like Andre Igudola, is the type of player that rebuilding teams dont need and contending teams (still believe the Hawks to be contenders but im going with your thought process here) dont have the pieces in order to get fair market value.
Marvin has the most trade value, but again the Hawks are better off keeping him due to age and reasonable contract (assuming he continues his per minute efficiency)
Kirk Heinrich is only useful as an expiring contract for a team trying to shed salary, but with the new amnesty clause hes basically worthless due to him playing some horrendous basketball on top of it being pointless now with the new CBA.
Marvin has the most trade value? What?
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Josh Smith * Troy Murphy * Al Horford *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 6, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
if you get a horrid contract back thats not value.
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Josh Smith * Troy Murphy * Al Horford *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Kris, you are a brave man
Where is Jason? Is he on vacation? You are putting overtime.
Hawks are in trouble.
Let me say this much about third quarter. As Rad was there and taking minutes and Hawks were falling so far behind, a funny thing happened. The young Hawks cheering section started shouting Ivan Johnson, Ivan Johnson. 2 minutes later Ivan Johnson comes in after we fall behind. This is our coach who doesn’t understand who in his team is balling.
I listened to part of 4th quarter driving home. Pargo and Green seemed to be a spark. I say let Teague and Pargo in the rotation, and Rad be the last big off the bench. Not sure if that is enough, but not sure what to do. Let Kirk get back in shape, he in no way deserves 20 minutes a game. Give those minutes to Pargo and Green.
Is Nash really 37? Amazing kid. Let’s hope he doesn’t end up in NY or……
I can’t believe we be facing Pacers, Orlando and Heat in next three games.
Let’s hope for better games, as these are becoming really hard to watch Lopez sure looked good to me – sigh
The Atl needs to call the Suns
All reports cooming out of AZ is that Lopez could be had right now, and probably gone by trade deadline. Did i mention that he’d be decently cheap, on a rookie contract?
Lopez
I’m sorry but he doesn’t even look like a basketball player to me. He is clumsy and awkward. His hook shots could not have been more pathetic. He had 6 pts and 5 reb for -7 while he was in the game. You have truly hit rock bottom if you are dreaming for a player anything like Robin Lopez
He had 6 point and 5 rebounds in 12 minutes
+/- is overrated.
If he gets 30 minutes a game, he will contribute double those numbers on nightly basis.
He is not as good as his brother. He is also not as good as Gortat.
But he could be had. That is all we need is some defense and some scoring and he will bring it
If a team like Phoenix is willing to give him up
Then he is undoubtedly worthless. Phoenix plays no D but even they can’t use a guy who will supposedly bring us D?
I think he became expendable with Gortat in their lineup
I agree with what you are saying, but we are kind of desperate
Looking at the sched...
This team will be lucky to win 2 games for the month. Dudes shouldn’t even get your temper up, just let it ease in slowly…
Actually if the over/under is 2, I would pick under, ugh.
Larry Drew needs to be fired now
there’s now way around it. larry drew doesn’t deserve to be a coach. its become increasingly difficult to get behind a team whos ownership, management and coaching staff couldnt care less about the team. no way you get that close from a 20 plus deficit then decide to keep your starters on the bench. either Larry Drew is gambling against his own team or he’s too incompetent to run a team. either way he deserves to get fired.
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* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Josh Smith * Troy Murphy * Al Horford *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
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sorry I missed the game guys :(
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Josh Smith * Troy Murphy * Al Horford *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 6, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
coming back from the game and I have 4 questions
did Nash ever miss?
after the first 3 did josh realize he should start to cover frye?
are we the only team that cant score on the zone?
Where can I find replay of that Ivan Johnson dunk?
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
The ball movement will come back
With the added bits of information im glad this team isnt panicking, its definitly going to be a challenge against the better teams (when Steve Nash has it going they’re a quality opponnet) without the services of employee number 15. But this team has too much talent. Josh Smith will go on one of his “damn hes got top ten talent” tears again and all will be well.
Yea I know Im being overely optimistic, but I was watching these same group of players when they were winning only 28 games. They’re different now, they’ve shown to bounce back after tough stretches.
This “are they or are they not” elite crap doesnt matter. We all know this team can beat anybody when everybody is clicking. Who gives a damn what the national media thinks, they dont give a damn about Atlanta anyway.
Nash just didnt miss tonight
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
That old SOB still got it
He was on a mission tonight, taught Teague a thing or two out there tonight on how to play the position of PG
True that. It was much like JJ's night against Toronto where anything he put up seemed to fall
including that 3 when the Hawks played some superb defense to force Phoenix to shoot at the shot clock buzzer, and Nash threw up a wild shot and it hit nothing but twine. I reckon that would’ve been deflating for the Hawks, it certainly was for me just watching.
Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel
I am not sure if it is Panic time
But the losses to these three teams make one think.
Out of the three, only Sixers, are a really good team.
Memphis is an average team.
Suns are below average.
So what happened?
Well for one thing, as JJ says in summary, we are not that good. The wins earlier had come against weaker competition.
What happened tonight? While Teague is faster than Nash, he clearly is not as experienced as the hall of famer. Nash ran Teague into picks all night long. Nash is a master at doing that. And this goes on the score of inexperience by Teague. This is what happens when he sat on the pine for the last 2 years. We forget, this is the first year he is playing. And against a very crafty player, he doesn’t know how to go at 75% speed to stop Nash. Teague had to go under the picks, instead he kept trying to fight and go over but Nash would not allow that and in process open himself up or have a mismatch and pass the ball. Let this be a lesson for Teague. Sometime, experience beats speed. Tonight was such night.
Still for Hawks, things look scary.
The next game is against what I believe is another very good team.
Things are looking really scary
Memphis
is not an avg team…carry on.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 7, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
They were playing like an average to below average team when we faced them
They had won what, one of their last seven games or something like that
Memphis is struggling to make the playoffs
Without Z-Bo, that is not a good team. I would not put them in the same category as Sixers
agreed!
ld has gotta goooo!i will say that and actually mean it if we go 0-3 the rest of the week!
"I'm on 1"
by I am usually right except when... on Feb 7, 2012 6:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
+1 to who ever said.....
our starters were on the bench during our"comeback"…I don’t get that…..remember when we were in CHI and coach tom USED HIS STARTERS TO WIN THE GAME despite being down by 20! Drew doesn’t seem to have a clue about comebacks…..why wasn’t kirk benched for pargo earlier…smh drew
I didn’t know we could get an Phoenix (SUN) burn in the middle of winter! thanks ld
"I'm on 1"
by I am usually right except when... on Feb 7, 2012 7:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The thing that seems amazing though
is he keeps taking Teague out and also plays Rad.
I mean why play Rad more than Ivan Johnson? Even the kids in the cheering section of Hawks knew that last night. They started shouting Ivan Johnson, Ivan Johnson as Suns lead kept getting bigger and bigger. In In 3rd quarter he finally inserted Ivan, and he promptly balled. Why is Rad getting 19 minutes to Ivan 15? It is as though he wants Hawks to lose.
Or why is it that Teague only plays 27 minutes? I mean Teague had the highlight moves of the night with that tricky dribble and a dunk on Nash and he gets gifted by being taken out.
It is infuriating. I mean I know we are small, yes SIZE MATTERS, just look at Smoove and Ivan getting blocked or their bigs going over our back easily, but still, to Zaza or Smoove or Marvin or Ivan out and play Rad, is insanity. I rather those four get 6 fouls that see Rad in the game. Insanity.
+1
"I'm on 1"
by I am usually right except when... on Feb 7, 2012 8:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I actually thought Kirk played ok last night
Particularly in the first half when Teague had three fouls.
@Kris_Willis
+Kris Willis
facebook.com/krisawillis
Agreed he played better in first half
I am not sure though Kris. I am just not sure if playing Kirk is helpful. Teague is mentally fragile. And it seems like LD has just pushed Kirk in as soon as Kirk was available. I mean to me he clearly has to get in game shape but LD is insistent on giving him 20 minutes a game.
Kirk has played 20 minutes twice
Once when JT got hurt, once when JT was in foul trouble. The past couple of games, his minutes have included time on the floor with JT. If that is causing insecurity issues for the kid, we’ve got a big problem
The mentally fragile thing has gotten past old. JT is getting the bulk of the minutes, has played a pretty consistent rotation as far as when he comes out and goes back in except with the injury/fouls, and has had a lot of reinforcement that the job is his. Calling him mentally fragile is really unfair to the guy – but even if it’s true, he needs to get past it because we can’t perpetually have a crappy backup so JT feels secure.
Meanwhile, whether you want to trade Kirk or get him integrated for the rest of the season, there’s a good reason to play the guy. His shooting has sucked – injury related or normal slump I don’t know. But his defense has been very active, which tells me he either is or is very close to game shape. Unfortunately with jump shooters, they do have slumps. He hasn’t shot this poorly over a long stretch in his career, so the odds say at some point shortly he’s going to get hot for a stretch to balance things out.

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