Marvin Williams Unhappy With Role On Hawks, Reportedly Wants Out
by SB Nation NBA News on Feb 21, 2012 11:59 AM EST
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Print(SB Nation Atlanta, Jonathan Tjarks) According to a report from ESPN.com's Chris Broussard, Atlanta Hawks SF Marvin Williams is the latest player to express his displeasure with the situation in Atlanta:
Frustration abounds in Atlanta right now, and sources say Marvin Williams wants out because he wants to play somewhere where he'll have an increased role offensively. Williams is averaging just 9.6 points per game, his lowest since his rookie season.
The former No. 2 overall pick has never been able to live up the expectations of being selected ahead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams in 2005, but he has carved out a nice career as a role-playing small forward.
However, he's never had the chance to be a primary offensive option, with a career usage rating of only 18.1.
At only 25, he's still relatively young, but it's hard to say what his trade value is considering that he's owed $16 million over the next two seasons.
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shocking............ Great job LD just great job
Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone
I think it's fair to say that there's been a breakdown in leadership on this team
After Horford got hurt, it was fairly inevitable.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Leadership? Then what the hek is Jerry Stackhouse doing on the bench?
He is a waste of space since he doesn’t play and he was brought in to be some sort of leader.
by BravesFanScout on Feb 21, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you surprised that the Hawks employ guys who are a waste of space?
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
by Bronn on Feb 21, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well played bronn well played.
Ivan Johnson doesn't cut his grass, he stares at it and dares it to grow.......
by Throw on Feb 21, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not really. Nothing really surprises me with this team anymore.
I think we could all see this team was about to boil over with or without Horford. Changes need to be made and everyone knows it (except the Hawks front office/coaching staff of course).
by BravesFanScout on Feb 21, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
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by Kris Willis on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Give him what he wants
He’s been nothin but a bust
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by Clay Shrader on Feb 21, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow just wow
I believe he does need a bigger role but…… Ion know.depends on the role he has in mind.more touches? Okay offense through you? Ion know.man this ship is sinking fast
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Benching him while he is hot and not letting him finish games, Im staring at you Larry Drew
Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone
So who we going to try to keep happy? Marvin or T-Mac?
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by Kris Willis on Feb 21, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
lol, with my unprofessional opinion I think that at times during games
Ld should think to let joe rest instead of logging 40+ minutes a night. Therefore the 2 can be on the floor at the same time and get more minutes. Or at times go supersmall and let marv play the 4 against smaller power forwards. Isnt Marv heavier than Josh?
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Not unprofessional
I do agree with you that I thought we would see McGrady play some in the backcourt therefore giving him the opportunity to be on the floor with Marvin.
I can’t honestly say Marvin hasn’t had opportunities but I thought he deserved more time earlier when he was playing well. Of course had he gotten it then T-Mac might have blew up earlier.
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by Kris Willis on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
lol im saying unprofessional because im just a fan watching the game
but yet with my “unprofessional” experience I can see the flaws with the substitution rotation.
Now I could be wrong with this next thought but if we had a coach that was respected by the players and they believed in then I doubt that PT would be an issue as much as it is now.
Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone
another thought is at times in a game they could go super big
and live Billy Knights dream (it kills me to say it) and let joe run the point. I mean we dont always have to keep joe in the game especially when he is just ice cold because that is what the bench is for. i mean this is the deepest bench atlanta has had in years but we dont utilize it. Idk it just seems that there are times when LD will depend on Joe to bail him out of a game even if he is shooting terribly that game. So my opinion is give others more playing time when 1 guy is doing bad and dont just depend on him no matter what
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In a lot of ways
This is one of Marvin’s best seasons ever, and he’s averaging the fewest minutes ever. So yeah, I can’t exactly blame him for wanting more minutes either. I had to laugh at that quote at the top of the page-of course Marvin is scoring the fewest points per game he ever has-he does play more than 20ish minutes.
People don’t give Marvin enough credit for his contributions, and I think that group includes Larry Drew. Marvin is a good rebounder for his position, and he plays good defense. He hardly ever turns the ball over, and he scores efficiently. About the only thing he isn’t doing really well so far this year is shoot free throws, and that’s really down across the league.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Given Larry Drew's substitution patterns
Maybe neither. There have been games when Joe moves to SF and neither get PT in the second half. Larry Drew seems very big on closing with hot lineup on the floor, but since he pulls Marvin first regardless of how well he’s playing then he rarely gets a chance to finish.
hot lineup on the floor confuses me even more
because how many times has he pulled Marv or Jeff when they were hot?
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He only uses the hot lineup theory in the 4th
Earlier in the game he uses different rules (it seems). If the T. Mac comments are to be believed he never explains what he’s doing to the players either.
I hate the hot lineup in the 4th
because it seems everytime its seems its our backups that are hot because they are the ones clawing us back into the game due to us getting blown out a majority of the time. I makes me mad because LD will stick with this lineup while the other team has their stars on the floor while we are losing the lead again.
The only time I have seen this work where our “hot lineup” finishes the game and we win is against the suns. besides that, it seems to never work
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He goes too far with it
He doesn’t seem to have a sense of when the comeback lineup has run out of gas or shots have stopped falling. That’s when he needs to tweak the lineup and show trust in some of his other players to play well when inserted. Players wear out and he seems oblivious to it.
Agreed that he tends to leave it too long.
Josh didn’t have a breather all second half, Zaza played up till the last minute, and Kirk, Jannero, and TMac played from mid-3rd quarter on.
And they end up trying to close out a comeback against a rested DRose, Deng, and Boozer.
On the other hand – he kind of can’t win as long as the team is losing. People get on him for resting a guy who’s “hot” then for riding a guy who’s “hot” too long.
And Marvin has always been the first sub out
Regardless how he’s playing. So I can understand him being unhappy with his role. There’s surely other ways of balancing your rotation.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
So if this report is true, the Hawks have no happy small forwards
Keep in mind this is just a report. and contrary to what you may read in other places, it does not say he formerly requested a trade.
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I agree
so I’m hoping that MC will get to the bottom of this and ask the appropriate question. If it is the case, this wouldn’t really surprise me. Leadership has always been a big issue for this team. Too many of the wrong people leading (Joe and Josh), but no one good enough to really take the reins. It’s not surprising that this would happen with Al not participating in team activities and a losing streak at hand. Honestly, if this is the case, it screams of a desire to not play for LD. I just don’t see anyone rallying around him.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 21, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Larry Drew is doing the same exact things he did last year
The man just isnt an NBA caliber Head Coach. If Jeff Teague doesnt save his butt in the playoffs hes getting canned.
Remember this is the same person that started Mike Bibby over Jeff Teague to the point of FORCING the Hawks to trade him away to get a competent PG all the while giving up a very valuable First Round Draft Pick.
Also Dont forget Josh Powell playing over Zaza Pachulia because he got “Hot” with his midrange jumpshot at the beginning of the year.
you don't have to explain this to me
I was 100% against this move from the time it was even discussed as an option, so there’s nothing you can say that I haven’t already thought.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 21, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
true true
More venting than telling. Everybody knows what the biggest problem is with the Hawks. Its just frustrating that the National Media bye and large give it a free pass in this day and age. It doesnt take much investigating work to connect the dots.
Call up the Lakers and see if we can deal him for Pau
Marvin, Hinrich and a 1st for Gasol. The Lakers might do it since the younger Buss has a tendency to make dumb trades. I’d love to see a front line of Pau, Horf and Smoove.
d-wade=d-ouche
by captainamerica* on Feb 21, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's like April Fools in February
Can this report be real? As an Atlanta Fan let me go on record as being unhappy with Marvin Williams for years. I was hoping that the new surgically-repaired Marvin would be something new and for a couple games he looked shiny, new and aggressive. Then he took a bad fall on a drive to the basket and reverted back to the deferring 5th option player. He’s been essentially his old self ever since.
The Hawks window was really only this year and next. If this report is true it is another sign that Larry Drew might not be able to keep it together that long.
I gave up on Larry Drew a long time ago
at the beginning of the season I was negative about him and willing to give him a chance. I think it was after that Miami game that I just lost all faith
Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone
Drew's offense has no structure. It's get in where you fit in.
I would do Joe and Kirk for Pau and Metta. Huge blockbuster trade. Solves the swingman and pg position for LA
Teague
Tmac
Josh
Al
Pau
One could dream. Pau makes 19 per year, it makes some sense to trade him to Atl. Marvin, I would amensty or work a 3 way.
by HD Bud on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
While would anyone want Metta?
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by Kris Willis on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
While would anyone want Collins? physicality would be water in the desert to our soft team.
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Who is talking about Collins
I am just about ready to pull the plug on you
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Maybe my sentence structure was lacking but I mentioned the defensive physicality aspect.
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I like it!
Marvin has been under-appreciated around here and by the Hawks for some time. We drafted him with the 2nd pick and he was a bench player for a Championship team. We drafted on potential alone. We took a risk hoping to get a super star, but we ended up with a good role players. The problem is the Hawks haven’t really ever given him a shot at showing what he could do with the ball in his hands.
He has only shot the ball a double figure amount 4 times. He has better jumpshot than Josh Smith and is one of our best (if not our best) free throw shooters, so his aggression to the hoop is something that could be taken advantage of. I would actually like to see him get a lot more touches to see what he could do a few games in a row shooting double figure times. He’s a big body, strong, and a good defender. I don’t think we should be crapping on Marvin because none of this is his fault. He hasn’t really been given a shot with the coaching staff and with ball hogs like Josh, Joe and Jamal on his side he’s not going to do much. Just think if Joe shot the ball 7 times a game. We would be dumping on him just as much because his shooting percentage would be sh*t. It takes Joe 7 shots just to get going.
by BravesFanScout on Feb 21, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Agree
I agree with you. I am not saying he would be an all-star but he has been ridiculously underused his whole career. The guy actually has offensive skills but can’t get his points up because he doesn’t get enough shots up. He should average 10-12 shots a game. If so, I think he would average 14-15 efficienct PPG. He should be our third option on offense at the least but it seems he remains 4th or 5th even when subs are in the game.
I don't blame him
He’s been too comfortable with his role
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by a hooter's baby on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions
No sense throwing out trade ideas
Marvin has reportedly been shopped for a couple years now and they’ve never found a taker. That either indicates they were asking for too much or that his failure to play up to his contract makes him so overpriced that no one wants him. Hearing that he wants out doesn’t increase his trade attractiveness.
Great point
I think if the Hawks could have found anyone willing to take that contract they would have moved him a long time ago.
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by Kris Willis on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well this was unexpected.
Nobody is happy. If Marvin is openly unhappy, we have some deep seeded problems going on behind closed doors. None of this is good and it probably won’t end well. Brace yourselves, Hawks fans.
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by Duff_Man on Feb 21, 2012 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So it starts with the Jeff Teague problem and now its this, just fantastic
Spirit group THIS is the reason why you dont go and get the cheapest coach available
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Should’ve been Dwayne Casey from the start.
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
Meh, The Lakers are talking Beasley. Marvin I would personally take.
Their numbers are eerily similar. Marvin is the better defender and not a headcase.
I don't think there are any hard feelings...
He just wants to go to a place where he can get more minutes and more touches. Joe did it when he was in Phoenix. I could see him as a good fit on a lot of teams.
BTW, his contract is not that bad. He was a starter on a team that got to the 2nd round of the playoffs three years in a row. He wasn’t going to make the vet minimum.
Hard for me to sympathize with Marvin
He’s added precious little to his game over the years. Marvin makes an average of 8M per year and spends summer’s working on his degree instead of the profession that pays him so much. Do you forfeit the right to complain about your role if you not done everything reasonable to be the best player you can be?
Marvin also could have had a larger offensive role last year when moved to the bench for the big lineup. The bench needed offensive punch other than Jamal Crawford. His response was not to embrace the role but rather to sulk and complain about not starting (that’s how I remember it).
by Evildallas on Feb 21, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Cant be mad at him getting a degree. But he's peaked as a player and his attitude stinks. He has no inside scoring ability and foster the jumpshooting soft mentality this team has.
He’s only taken double digit shots 4 times? That’s his fault because he’s not skilled enough to get off quality shots.
Weaknesses
Offensively, Marvin has only shown that he can score in one of four ways: open stand still jumpshots, lay-ups / dunks on fast breaks, put-backs and free throws. Marvin hasn’t shown he has the ability to put the ball on the floor and create his own shot consistently, whether it’s driving around a defender to get all the way to the rim or merely shooting off the dribble. If Marvin is going to be a great small forward in the NBA he will need to develop this part of his game. Also, Marvin has shown no post moves outside of trying to overpower his opponents with a drop-step toward the basket. When surrounded by defenders in the paint Marvin often gets his shot blocked because he has yet to show a jump hook, a fadeaway or an up-and-under move. In fact, Marvin’s best offensive move in the paint is trying to get to the free throw line. He will not be able to draw fouls easily against more experienced defenders. If Marvin is going to be a great power forward in the NBA he will need to develop this part of his game.
Defensively, Marvin still needs to improve his footwork to be able to guard quicker players on the perimeter and he needs to add some strength to guard some of the stronger players in the post. He also needs to improve his defensive communication, especially on pick and roll situations. While Marvin has the tools to be a good shotblocker we have yet to see it from him. Per minutes played, he was only equal to Jawad Williams and slightly behind Rashad McCants in this aspect of the game.
Here might lay the biggest question mark with Marvin. While his versatility can viewed as a strength, the fact he is still a bit of a tweener can not. Is he going to primarily play small forward or power forward in the NBA? Can he become great at one of the forward spots or will he merely be good at both? That’s the tough part about Marvin. At this point in his career it’s almost impossible to project just what kind of player he is going to be or what position he will end up playing the most.
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
We should trade him to Milwaukee for Jon Leuer
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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 21, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 21, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
will never happen. Marvin is putting up vet minimum numbers while being owed 7.5 million. Bucks feel that Gooden can be amnestied...Maybe if we take back Stephen Jackson?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yeEJvfiRI
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sf Josh Smith
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Milwaukee wouldn't do that
Maybe they trade Stephen Jackson for him though.
Don't need that old ass scouting report to know Marvin doesn't have any dawg inside him.
That and his ball handling and ability to finish inside is minimal. If he pulled off an offseason like Josh and lost significant weight, he has a chance to regain some explosion.
uuhhh
Marvin should probably learn how to dribble a basketball before he goes runnin off at the mouth about minutes. i’m sure if his contract werent 5x what he’s worth he’d be out the door. he should come out and admit that he’s an overpaid chump and thats the real reason he isn’t on another team. good riddance you friggin doofus.
Maybe these guys are just homesick
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by a hooter's baby on Feb 21, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pkcWI6SpaU
Can’t even lie, he was a beast when they use to rock the old red and yellow jerseys. He was what 220-225. Can’t dwell too much on how bad he’s developed in the NBA.
thats a season mix of dunks. Thats listed in the scouting report. Outside of 3 pt range I cant say he's really developed much at all.
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
hes better at handeling the ball than he was
besides that its just about it
Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone
Instead of shopping players trade for a coach
He is numner 1 issue with the Hawks. It is not too late.
Jeff Van Gundy
Bill Limbeer
Brian Shaw
This coach has re-inserted Kirk into rotations that were settled. This coach throws Rad out there for no reasno, keeps Teague and Marvin and T-Mac on the bench for no reason. I am no fan of Marvin and his play, but…..
The problem is not him. The problem is this coach. Fire Larry Drew
The number 1 issue is the lack of talent.
I rather get Marvin out of the “core” 1st. The return value is harsh but the Billy Knight era must end. He’s mediocre at everything.
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Lack of Dog?
The Hell does that even mean? Seriously what does a “Dog” have to do with playing ability. The number one problem with this team will always be Cheap owners who hired a coach with no Head Coaching experience who in turn learned how to be a HC from the man you just fired because he was willing to work for the Coaches minimum.
Having a "Dog"
means having such a competitive will that that person will make keys plays for his team to win. Coaches can’t coach that.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
They can put in the right guys to win a game for the team….no dogs, cats, or trades necessary. This team healthy with jeff van gundy at the helm would be a fearsome squad.
by bravesfanldh on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i honestly thought we were talking about
The hawks core. And whether you believe it or not it helps to have a couple of guys that know how to take over a game, defensively and offensively.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
So, we gotta get rid of
Al, Josh, and Joe if you want the Billy Knight era to end…
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 21, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Im fine with no joe, haha. I hope they are saving the amnesty for him, at least for the tail end of his contract when he’ll be making even more money and playing much worse.
Al and smith however, off limits. The return would have to be mind-numbing, maybe I see them in a different light, but man with the right coach I just invision those two reeking havoc on teams
by bravesfanldh on Feb 22, 2012 12:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I can't see the ASG using the amnesty clause
This would mean they have to pay out Joe’s contract if it were to happen, and I’m pretty sure they won’t continue to pay someone just to clear out space under the cap. They’re more about saving money than spending to win.
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
How many of them are going to work for $1 million per season?
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by Kris Willis on Feb 21, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
None
But the damage being done to this team, and its goodwill, now that ASG has decided to stay in NBA business, will outdo the benefit of saving a few dimes by not paying the coaches that are experienced and of good caliber to handle this team
SO what you are saying is
the true #1 issue is ownership, and getting ones who aren’t penny pinching screw ups.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 21, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I was waiting for you to bring up the disclaimer that heads your posts :)
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
I'm saying you often get what you pay for yes
Regardless of what I think of Larry Drew the fact is he had no reputation as a head coach when he was given the reigns. You have to pay for reputations. Who knows if it would have made a difference or not.
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True
But you have to pay for talent too and we’ve done that – the Hawks have been doing the rent a bench (sans Crawford) for a few years with little reward for it. Same thing applies here. We have talent to be a playoff team. that has been established many times over. We’ll be a playoff team with this talent for at least 2 more years at a minimum. At some point, you have to say I’m content with that OR I’m going to pay for the other things that will make this work (scouts, coaches, and GM) instead of riding solely on the talent. It’s actually cheaper in the long run to pay those people, so I think our organization is short sighted. If you get the results out of these cheap resources, you have to pay them as soon as they produce and then you’re back at the square you started at if money is the issue. So, to me, you pay for what you want. Right now, I think the edict from on high is – the money matters more than the outcome. We will tell you what you want to hear on the outcome, but more than anything the money matters most, so Sund, Drew, etc just know that the money matters most and then work around that premise and there we have it.
I feel pretty confident that paying a Jeff Van Gundy (and that’s just a name – not trying to debate his particular merits and faults) would make a difference over Larry Drew.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 22, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Broussard is as reliable as they come at ESPN
So if there’s a buzz then it’s probably some weight to it. I think it is convenient for these things to come up before the All-Star break with the trade deadline looming. And also, the writing has been on the wall for something like this (a trade or what not) because of aquisitions of Vlad, Tmac, and Stackhouse still hanging around. If Marvin wants out then the Hawks better oblige him and take what they can get and move on. Injuries are piling up and games are being lost and the hawks brass has to make decisions on whether to tread water or build for the future.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Really because I tend to think the opposite
Although I do believe there is some truth in this from seeing some things first hand.
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by Kris Willis on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What have you seen first hand?
I want to know some insider details! Did Larry Drew make fun of Marvin’s waddle walk? Did JSmoove make fun of McGrady’s shoudler vein? Was Ivan Johnson pissed at Stackhouse’s impersonation of his interviewing skills? I need to know!
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Feb 21, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rumor has it
stackhouse requested wheel chair assistance from bench to scorers table at one point, now thats insider information lol
Ivan Johnson doesn't cut his grass, he stares at it and dares it to grow.......
by Throw on Feb 21, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Broussard has the same sources at ESPN as i do
Its Called Twitter. If its not from the Lebron James camp its probably crap he saw on a hashtag
Wait a second I seen all this before
Last year we went through the same thing and then shocked everyone (fans included) and played well in the playoffs. Maybe this is just part of the Atlanta Opossums strategy to have the opponents underestimate us come playoffs…….
Yeah i know im digging deep here
Ivan Johnson doesn't cut his grass, he stares at it and dares it to grow.......
Last year it was not reported that Marvin was unhappy with his role.
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
He said he was upset about being benched for the magic series
Ivan Johnson doesn't cut his grass, he stares at it and dares it to grow.......
That was in December. A Regular season game.
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by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah my mistake
still though im hoping its a sign of good things
Ivan Johnson doesn't cut his grass, he stares at it and dares it to grow.......
You want playing time Marvin, you know what you have to do.....
Produce!
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Exhaling...
Update
NBA Trade Rumors: Marvin Williams Denies Report Of Trade Request
It was reported earlier today that Atlanta Hawks forward Marvin Williams wanted off the team and was requesting a trade. ESPN reported that Williams is unhappy with his playing time and his role with the Hawks.
However, according to the team’s vice president of public relations, Williams never requested a trade.
The #Hawks just landed in NYC and had a convo with a very disappointed Marvin Williams, who while attending the funeral of a family friend, had to hear about his “reported” trade request. He vehemently denies ever asking for a trade and said, “you know that’s not me”.
Williams is averaging 9.6 points so far this season, which is the lowest points per game average since his rookie season in 2005. Since Joe Johnson isn’t likely to play against the Knicks on Wednesday night due to knee tendinitis, Williams is expected to play after missing Monday’s game for a funeral.
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"I'm on 1"
by I am usually right except when... on Feb 21, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Chris Broussard
strikes again
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Feb 21, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt Marvin requested to be traded
At the same time it doesnt take an insider to know hes pissed about his role
I bet he was pissed about it a long time ago
but Marvin’s a nice guy so he won’t say anything
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Feb 21, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish Larry Drew would reward his good play
But that would be expecting to much, He didnt do with Jeff Teague or Zaza Pachulia so it would be asking to much of LD to do it now.
LD
wasnt there a point earlier this year that after teague had a game where he score 24 or 26 (cant remember) that he said that jeff needs to look to pass the ball instead of trying to score? If this is true then thats pretty confidence shaking telling your guy after a good game to not score the ball
Ivan Johnson doesn't cut his grass, he stares at it and dares it to grow.......
by Throw on Feb 21, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no Marvin has a limited repertoire so he wont say anything. How is it Willie green and Pargo can routinely score and create more than him?
pg Jeff Teague
sg Joe Johnson
sf Josh Smith
sf Marvin Williams
c Al Horford
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* {#40 Pick PF Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 21, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
If he was pissed
He should have let his play do the talking
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
oh chris broussard smh
Ivan Johnson doesn't cut his grass, he stares at it and dares it to grow.......
well i contacted chris broussard...
about him"rumor"….he replied by sending this picture….(homers d’oh face)
"I'm on 1"
by I am usually right except when... on Feb 21, 2012 8:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
thats more like it
"I'm on 1"
by I am usually right except when... on Feb 21, 2012 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Upon reassessing his trade value.... We love you marvin! lol. Its bad trade value. Hes paid Too much $$$
pg Jeff Teague
sg Joe Johnson
sf Josh Smith
sf Marvin Williams
c Al Horford
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* {#40 Pick PF Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
I don't remember Marvin ever having an attitude.
Where is this coming from? This doesn’t sound like Marvin…“requesting a trade.”
@ I_20sFinest
I guess I should have read the entire thread.
Great job, Broussard. I knew there was a reason I unfollowed you on twitter. And not just because you have a man crush on LeBron. Like the Tracy McGrady comments, you cannot unring the bell. It’s out there now.
@ I_20sFinest
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