Hawks Vs. Trail Blazers Final Score: Portland Hands Atlanta 97-77 Defeat
Quick Thought: This is your game. This is your game on missed jump shots.
Deep(er) Thoughts:
Could it be as simple as this: The Hawks have won every game when they've shot .441 and higher. 16-0. This includes their wins over Chicago, Portland and Indiana.
Lest I ignore that every team wins when they shoot with this amount of success, know that listed are the following teams and the times they've lost when shooting the same or better:
76ers--- 4
Celtics--- 6
Thunder--- 4
Lakers---3
Heat---5
Magic---3
So when the Hawks have a moderate amount of success shooting the basketball, they win. When they shoot worse than .441 percent, they lose. They have a 3-12 record in those games. For reference sake, the league average is .444.
When they shoot as bad as they did in Portland, a .411 clip, they are sunk. Per basketball-reference.com, they've shot that percentage or worse eight times now and have lost every time with the exception of the Minnesota win at home.
So with acknowledging that, for the most part, when the Hawks don't make more than 44 percent of their shots, they are likely dead in the water, let's look at the other aspects of the game.
I felt like Portland was going to be tough to beat considering their collective length. When Nicolas Batum got the start over Wesley Matthews, that was going to make it tougher because Batum is just the sort of energetic, fly-in-the-ointment the Hawks struggle to match and overcome.
Toss in the fact that Portland had lost four in a row at home, an outlier in terms of their usual home dominance, LaMarcus Aldridge's return to the lineup and one of those seasonal, ‘hey, let's pull it together for the season's sake' type of moments for the team, and it was going to take a lot to get past this talented team.
You know, the sort of thing that shooting .411 doesn't quite get done.
The Hawks started alright, but their first quarter defense was atrocious, just the sort of start that gives a team desperate for momentum exactly what they need, instead of getting them down early and keeping them asking questions.
The second quarter was marred by missed shots and their collection of their own missed shots. Eight offensive rebounds for the Blazers in the second quarter alone allowed them to keep stretching the lead while the Hawks struggled to muster any kind of offensive momentum.
Instead of the hang around and come back and win outcome we saw in Phoenix, the Hawks never could get enough execution to make that kind of run, and all that was left was statistical finalities.
Afterthoughts:
I am not a big fan of lobbying for stastitical achievments, so while I know Josh Smith wanted another triple-double badly, it's more impressive when you don't have to try to create one down the stretch of a game that is already won or lost. Not preaching, just my opinion. A 14-10-9 game on 50 percent shooting is what Smoove landed on for the night.
Admit it, you thought that Jamal Crawford would have more of an impact in the two games he would play against the Hawks this year. His 22 points in Atlanta were after the game was decided and he posted a goose egg in the win Portland got, and looked lost in the process. I don't believe Jamal will be a Blazer next year if that second year is any kind of mutual option.
I thought the Hawks did some things right, even if Josh had some negative things to say about ball movement afterwards to the Real MC. Little things like taking the ball inside when they were in the bonus, even if unrewarded, were present. Teague went inside, took the right shot outside and still went 1-10.
There was no reason for Kirk Hinrich to be in position to close the game. His defense getting around picks and staying between his man and the basket were slightly better than Teague, but his offense was not even as Teague's miserable shooting night and there is no way you would see Kirk track down a Blazer on a break and stuff his pizza against the glass.
Feeling like the Hawks are wasting a really good run by Willie Green, who was 7-9 from the field. His history indicates that he won't be this hot forever, but he will keep shooting. Gotta take advantage when Flip Willie is on like he is on this stretch.
Finally, rebounding. The Hawks were ultimately outdone by Portland length, even if they haven't found a way to capture that for themselves all season consistently, they unleashed it against the Hawks and buried Atlanta's relatively small frontcourt.
Final Thought:
Even in losing, this team is better than previous iterations. They are more capable, more sound. With the exception of the Lakers game, where things looked as if they would begin to erode for the season, they've mustered some resliency, though it's not reflected in the 20-point loss.
If they shoot even league average, they'll win. Pretty good place to be.
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Sometimes you have to say it is one of those nights, tip your hat and move on
But couple things stand out,
1. For those people who say we are ok with no size, check the rebounding disparity (50-27), Blazers way. When was the last time you saw that type of disparity?
2. We lose the game any way. I think Blazers were focused aswere the refs! Aldridge is a beast. But, those sub patterns, I have just given up on LD. I just watch in amazement but don’t get upset. Why take Green out when he has the hot hand and bring back Marvin or JJ? Why let Rad in when he plays 5’ 8" instead of Ivan?
We move on. The road is not easy. The month of truth, is telling us what we knew, but did not want to hear about the Hawks. We miss Lion.
the rebounding
disparity has more to do with what shots we didn’t make or take inside and the general laziness to the ball
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
denial. More to do with Camby+Aldridge being a monster frontcourt. Then Gerald Wallace+Batum. Length athleticism height....denial. We're too small.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
nope
hawks shot 30 of 71 shots. 27 of those misses were three point shots and they made 7. How many of those shots were layups where size would have mattered?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
my response?
I’m thinking Josh was referring to Teague when he said this: "This team is a long basketball team. Long and athletic just like us but a little longer. They have Marcus Camby who can still contest shots at a high rate. LaMarcus Aldridge is 6-11. Gerald Wallace, Batum flies around.When you get into that paint you have to be a distributor and drop some of those passes off, that way they will be reluctant to contest the shots and that’s when you have your easy running floaters or your layups. The first game we moved the basketball around and get easy looks for each other. After that first quarter, that was kind of nonexistent."
Size matters on both sides. Last time they didnt have Camby for Twin Towers.
Thats why it was a blowout. Your response?
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
But Blazers had 15 rebounds on the offensive end
To me that is more of a lack of size. Yes Zaza missed catching the ball couple times. And to your point, perhaps we were sluggish on another 2 or 3.
The rest have to be attributed to lack of size.
Lion rebounding average 9-10 is not compensated for in any other way.
I can not expect much more from Zaza and Smoove. We not getting help from SF or guards or more importantly the backup big man rotation LD plays. He needs to leave Ivan in there as opposed to playing Rad.
That's a great way to say a player sucks.
Is he big? Well, yeah, he has “10-day size”.
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always
so, you mean we’ve never been dominated on the boards when Al was here. Or that we haven’t matched the rebounding of teams ‘bigger’ than us without him. Like I always say, it’s pretty transparent that your arguments about this are too often tied to a win or a loss. If we win, then it was something other than size, but when we lose – it’s always size. Far as I’m concerned – if it can’t be a consistent reason…then, it’s just wrong. I attribute the loss to – we sucked. I mean what do you attribute to the reason we’ve beat this SAME team 6 straight times before last night to. That’s with and without Al. Is it possible that we just didn’t play well? That’s what I saw – I saw Teague sucking…Josh and Joe pretty average. Bench nonexistent save Green…
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 19, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think Paul is onto something here. No Its not that we did not play well. And lost by 20 lol
We beat them this year with Kurt Thomas and Craig Smith both playing 48 minutes combined.
Batum only played 9 minutes off the bench to (much shorter) Wes Matthews 26.
All that and we only won by 3 points.
So no its not that we did not play well. Its that we were too small. I would not have been opposed to seeing a “toughness” lineup with Smith, Ivan, Pachulia in at one time.
We were too small and thats why we sucked.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well
I don’t agree and I’ll leave it at that. I don’t control the Portland rotation, but I certainly don’t think we missed all those shots because they were bigger. In fact, Portland is one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, so I think we sucked, they played harder, and wanted that game more than us and that’s it. Portland isn’t 20 points better than us on the road because of size. It’s just a lazy way to try to justify a point you want to make about size. I’ve always agree with Paul about the fact that we need a better option at C, but it’s more about quality than size. I’d rather have a more quality shooting guard off the bench, more quality SF, PF, PG before adding Benson or some other options just to say we are bigger.
So, to win a title, yes – we need to get a more quality C, but to win regular season games – size as a default complaint is just lazy. If we shot the ball better, played with some heart, etc and the only difference last night was size…I’d say so, but that’s just not true
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 19, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
We're 18th in total rebounds this season. Last season 28th. Thats a slap to intelligence to say "we just sucked". We're clearly undersized.
Like I always say, Josh Smith and Marvin Williams at the forward is too small and soft.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Come on - for the Love of God quit this nonsense
With Lion in there, we would not have gotten outrebounded like we did vs. Blazers. You are just saying things that are not real. That was the main reason we lose. Not simply because we suck! That is real in depth analysis.
You are so wrong. I have been saying for so long to get size. How is my argument tied to winning and losing? Dude, I am a fan, so when we win, I get excited. But my position from before season started was to get big man to help Smoove and Lion. Don’t take my excitement at winning to mean I change position.
We win our share, but we lose because of lack of size. It is that simple, don’t make it complicated. That is our primary weakness.
Pointguardslim responded well to you about Camby missing in first encounter.
To refresh your memory, this pattern is repeated vs. big men of Sixers, Memphis, Lakers, and look for same tomorrow
So, i just want to get this straight
then why do we win – explain that. My point is that it’s not size, it’s skill that wins games. Al isn’t that big, so you bring in Collins or Damp and it won’t stop these losses. So, forgive me if I’m not taking your point that when we win – we’ve overcome size, but any other time it’s size. Esp. when there are so many factors that have ZERO to do with size. No team has the Lakers inside tandem, so they have to beat them other ways (like by killing Derek Fisher and guess what – we didn’t attack that). You can’t have it both ways. You can’t tell me Josh is an All Star, then he can’t perform because he’s playing against size even when the size is less than All Star quality (like Philly), so that’s why my point isn’t about whether the Hawks can stand to be bigger. So, we will absolutely, positively disagree that the reason we lose is because we are small. We lose because we don’t have discipline, because our coach doesn’t know how to attack the other team’s weaknesses, because Teague, Kirk, Joe, Marvin, and most of the bench have slumped during the last 10 games…those are a lot of factors that don’t address size. Like I said, size isn’t preventing those things from happening. If we were just being outrebounded and blocked at the rim consistently and that’s the ONLY factor – I can buy your argument, but since that’s not what’s happening – it’s just not a true statement that that’s our weakness.
I can say for a fact that at least 5 of our losses have ZERO to do with size. And if we put those 5 in the win column, we’re tied for the best record in the league with Al injured. So, yes, we need some size to win a championship, but guess what else we need – a good SF, a backup PG to play well, for Teague to play like he did at the beginning of the season, for Joe to play like he did when Al first went down, for Josh to stop shooting jumpers, for T-Mc to start playing lights out again…there are lots of areas of importance that I’d like to happen before we get size. You were the first person to say – thank goodness for Damp. Damp hasn’t done a damn thing for this team and he won’t be doing a damn thing. He didn’t win the game vs. Orlando. Didn’t matter a bit.. We would win with Al not because he’s big, but because he’s skilled. What we need is skill…what we need is a better coach. I’d take any of those things over just getting anybody to join the team. Getting a Kaman or something like that will mean very little if Joe, Josh, Jeff, Marvin etc don’t play well together. So, you don’t need to refresh my memory – I watch every game.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 20, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
It is simple why we win
We have a bunch of good to very good players, that are athletic. The size issue does not surface against every team. There are other teams not as athletic, or simply as skilled as Hawks. So to generalize and ask, why is it that we win, is too simplistic. Remember also I said Hawks are number 7 at end of season in East (before injuries to Hawks and other teams). That is beause I knew we have problems against some teams, but still believe Hawks had enough quality to make playoffs.
Hawks get in trouble against teams with bigger front lines. Why is that so difficult for you to get? This has been an ongoing theme for several years. To be balanced a team needs a true center, seven footer. Most teams have 2, some have three, Hawks play with none.
Yes I like Damp, because having Damp is better than not having him. Why? Because at least you have some bulk vs. Bynum. If you watched that game as you claim, you can not deny he was effective against Bynum. Is he ideal? Far from it.
To lump JJ and Smoove and Lion into this discussion is muddying the water. This team needs size in the middle. Yes better quality than Damp will help. Damp is a desperate measure, a replacement for Collins to at least stop other seven footers some, but far from ideal.
You and everyone who thinks Hawks have size and that is not their number 1 problem, are simply delusional
No
Just your argument that every game we lose coming down to size is delusional. I’ve many times agred that to win a title that you need a big guy, but I also said that the Hawks problems are bigger than size by itself. That’s it and we’ll just continue to disagree about that.
To your point about getting in trouble against big front lines – tell me what teams that we have problems with that others aren’t. It’s’ like saying everyone has problems with Shaq – well, it’s Shaq. They aren’t having problems with just SIZE – they have problems with teams with guys who have talent inside. Everyone has a problem with Bynum and Howard, but we’ve beat them with BOTH of those guys, so it’s just a lazy analysis – that’s all.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 20, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
1. wow, 50-27. The NBATV said Gerald Wallace would be matched up on Josh Smith. However, LMA played and Nate McMillan refused to go to small ball when Josh Smith was in the game.
Instead he had 6’8 Batum (NBATV/Portland announcers were raving of his size and length/wingspan). Hawks just cannot matchup with the bigger teams.
That disparity is what I’ve been saying all along. Josh Smith is too big for most SFs and when we beat the Blazers it was with Camby out.
The Blazers played Twin Towers.
2. Marvin is worthless. Start Vlad + Smith + Pachulia.
LD is falling in love with Smith at center. As if its ingenious. Its asinine, redundant soft 1 dimensional shooters galore.
One time I saw Smith+Vlad+Marvin… whatever. Marvin+Josh is just distressing on so many levels.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Nick Batum doesn't have any more length or size than Joe Johnson
But gets 5 more rebounds. Kurt Thomas isn’t taller or longer than Vladimir Radmanovich. Raymond Felton and Nolan Smith each got three rebounds. Jeff Teague, Kirk Hinrich, and Willie Green combined for ZERO rebounds.
Erick Dampier didn’t play. Ivan Johnson barely played at all. Drew played a lot of Vlad on a night when he was useless, instead of guys who could help us rebound. So a good bit of this is on Larry Drew.
It’s lazy to say it’s just about length and size, though. Josh and Zaza more than matched Camby and Aldridge in terms of rebounding. It’s everyone, and it’s effort and energy that really lead to it. I don’t think Larry Drew makes enough of a coaching point with rebounding. The Trailblazers shot a better percentage than Atlanta, yes, but Nick Batum got as many offensive rebounds as the whole Hawks team.
Size plays a factor, yes, but sometimes people have to actually USE their size.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
"Nick Batum doesn't have any more length or size than Joe Johnson"
u really going to stick by that? Well youre clearly wrong.
Marvin Williams has the most length on this team. Just not tall enough to use his butt to leverage it.
Size plays a factor, as does athleticism. Joe aint that athletic. Batum is very long. Gerald Wallace is Gerald Wallace.
It starts with big men blocking out then guards pursue and our “bigs” aren’t very big.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
well Larry Drew rewards jumpshooters
He doesnt reward overall play. He just doesnt
+1
Rebounding isn’t about size, it’s about effort and desire. Sure, size is beneficial, if you’re not fighting for position in the paint you’re not going to snare that carom. There’s a reason why Charles Barkley (at a generous 6’6") and Dennis Rodman (at 6’8") each led the league in rebounding average in an era with a greater number of and much more dominant 7 footers than nowadays. I understand that the two players I’ve mentioned had world class athleticism to help their cause, but to be a dominant rebounder you have to put in the effort in chasing that miss, and of late the Hawks players haven’t shown that desire as a team.
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
That is the problem, people with size for us are soft
Rad is 6’ 10", but I rather he sit and only be a situational player.
Don’t get me started on Marvin. I actually thought he was defending Batum last night, but was hard to tell for sure in some possessions.
So if you want to say we need size and toughness, I can buy that.
When I say size, I mean people that are willing to fight and rebound. But length is criteria one. In general, the two go hand in hand for type of big man I want, it is not lazy, it is a common basketball saying. We won’t win without size in center position. Lion knows that. Smoove knows that. JJ knows that. The whole world knows that. But some people want to ignore that simple fact!!! And twist words with things like bring energy. I say there is no substitute for size, and then you need players with heart.
You are not looking at this as pattern, it continues to happen against every team we play that has SIZE.
Yeah, unless Smoove plays out of his mind (you call that energy) we won’t win ever since Feb.
So yes, we need players with heart, which Marvin and Rad are not even though they have length, when it comes to rebounding.
But physical attribute is criteria one. We need a big man to rebound and defend the basket
If our guards don't contribute to the rebound at all
Then we’re not going to find any one big who will make up for the lack. That’s what I’m saying. It wasn’t about getting killed by Aldridge or Camby last night, as far as I can tell. It was about being killed by Nick Batum, and Kurt Thomas (who is not that big) and everyone else who grabbed a couple of rebounds, while everyone not named Zaza or Josh combined for 7 Atlanta rebounds. Another big would just take minutes from Josh or Zaza, but it was really everyone else who was the problem. That’s what I’m saying. Our guards have to work on rebounding. And I know that they can, because JJ had a big surge of actual productive games on the boards right after Horford got hurt, but he’s slacked up since.
So I don’t think adding a big would help, unless it’s someone who might legitimately push Josh to the three (and I’m not a big fan of that unless it’s absolutely demanded by the match-up)-we just need to get more rebounds of JJ, Marvin, T-Mac, Teague, Kirk, Willie, and Vlad, if Vlad is going to play.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Thats just us going in circles again.
Heres one of my clips of a play that I thought epitomized current state of Hawks basketball. This is from January 21st!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WVhfyK_els
Josh Smith does everything right but Marvin + Collins cant pull their weight. Our guards dont have a chance in this play for rebounding.
Guard rebounding is often a byproduct of sf,pf,c not getting backed down into the paint. We cant block out and theres no chance for guards to get the ball. Thats the point.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
It is as though people think guards rebounding can compensate for lack of quality big men
And that comment is more pointed to Bronn and Hawks mistaken talk than you….
I have never heard a more incredibly wrong analysis of Hawks problems as I am reading. I think some of these guys can become good assistants for Gearon who thinks we are all good at center position with Smoove and Lion. SMDH
You can not be more wrong
It is like you all are missing the big message. We lack bulk and size in the middle after Zaza. Listen, Curt Thomas is a center. He has bulk. We got nothing like him.
You claim he rebounded well, well you know what? Dude has played center in this league a long time, and can still ball. What do we answer with? Rad? Ivan? Smoove? That just won’t work.
You live in fantasy land. We need bigger front lines that can rebound and are physical. Even Smoove is not bulky. The only bulky big man we have is Zaza who can play, and IMO he is better fit for playing backup.
You are so wrong it is funny. Another big won’t take minutes from Zaza and Smoove. It will let them rest on the bench. Right now, you take either out, and we are dead.
Another big would help, either being a more effective backup for Zaza and Smoove, or playing in front of them. This is a problem with or without Lion. You will NEVER compensate for lack of bigs by having Marvin and JJ and other guards step in. Perhaps in video basketball games, but not in real life. Pigs may fly first
Taco is pissed about his playing time...
Wow! I never saw this one coming either!

sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
- Batum replaced Wesley Matthews in the starting lineup and went off for 22 points on 15 shots with eight boards in 35 minutes. "He’s been playing terrific this year," Josh said. "This kid you have to respect especially when he’s making that jumper like tonight. He’s a streaky shooter but when he has it going he’s pretty tough matchup, especially with his length. He’s an outstanding defender, as well."
- LaMarcus Aldridge is a tough matchup, too. Josh was challenging Aldridge’s shots early but Aldridge was shooting over him anyway. Aldridge ended up needed 19 shots for his 19 points. "Aldridge got going early, he made some jump shots, which was not very discouraging," Drew said. "As long as he’s taking jump shots we are content with that."
" [Portland] is a long basketball team. Long and athletic just like us but a little longer. They have Marcus Camby who can still contest shots at a high rate. LaMarcus Aldridge is 6-11. Gerald Wallace, Batum flies around.When you get into that paint you have to be a distributor and drop some of those passes off, that way they will be reluctant to contest the shots and that’s when you have your easy running floaters or your layups. The first game we moved the basketball around and get easy looks for each other. After that first quarter, that was kind of nonexistent."
Marvin Williams 2 rebounds in 25 minutes.
Make some trades to move Smith to SF. Its better for matchups. geez
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions
those quotes are Josh Smith's btw, courtesy of MC
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/02/19/atlanta-hawks-blazers-97-hawks-77/
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Fun fact:
The Hawks and Blazers have now played each other 100 times. The record? 50-50. Crazy.
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by Duff_Man on Feb 19, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You're not going to win anything with the following stats:
- Jeff Teague 1-10 and most of those coming at the rim
- Out rebounded by 23
- Gave up 15 offensive rebounds
by BravesFanScout on Feb 19, 2012 11:14 AM EST reply actions
when we beat them Camby was out and Wes Matthews was at the SG at an average 6'5.
Caught cab to PDX outside hotel 4:30 am walked by 3 drunk guys on sidewalk arguing if Batum is good fit at the 2. #nbatown
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 19, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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