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Hawks vs. Suns Final Score: Atlanta Hawks 101, Phoenix Suns 99

All-Star Caliber.

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Quick Thought: First win in Phoenix in five seasons -- and it seemed so unlikely.Thank you, Josh Smith.

Deep(er) Thoughts:

Whaaaaaat? Did anyone believe, when the Hawks were down double digits and looking as lethargic as their efforts against the Heat and Lakers, that this was a game to win?

Well they did. They were the team, at long last, that hung around, making a shot here and a play there, and got energized by being in range to win. In the fourth quarter, they curtailed Steve Nash's impact by putting Kirk Hinrich on him and the Suns may have simply stopped making every open or covered jump shot they took.

In the end, Jeff Teague was sitting, Joe Johnson was really struggling, Marvin Williams was gone in a game that Tracy McGrady didn't even play.

Vladimir Radmanovic finished the game, as did Willie Green. Are you checking the NBA.com box score to make sure I'm right about the score? Don't blame you. I couldn't believe it either.

The Hawks shot 52 percent to Phoenix's 40 percent and somehow made the fourth quarter their own, led by Josh Smith.

Smith did everything for the Hawks in the second half, scoring 20 of his game high 30 points, and grabbed 12 second half rebounds to make it happen for the Hawks.

When Radmanovic and Green went back to back with threes to give the Hawks a nine point lead with two minutes to play, one (like Dominique) may have thought it was over. But the Hawks went away from Smith, who was getting points in the post, and went jump shot, scoring nothing.

Phoenix worked it down and the Hawks held up in the free throw endgame, but not before Josh made it interesting with 2.1 seconds left and the Hawks with the ball inbounding. Nobody was open until Green broke out down the court and Smith let it fly. Unfortunately it was well over Green, forcing him to run it down else face giving the Suns the ball under the Hawks defensive basket with those same 2.1 seconds left.

Green did catch up to it, but had to jump and throw the ball back onto the court. He threw it towards the Suns bench, however, and as Alvin Gentry caught the ball time had finally expired and the Hawks got their first win in Phoenix in five seasons.

Whew.

Game Balls:

Josh. Smith.

Game like this make it hard to understand how coaches don't put him among the top players in the league. He IS the game, good and bad, when he is on the floor. He is a force of nature. He undeniably wants to win, badly, but differs in how that is best accomplish through his talents.

Tonight, Josh had 30 points, 17 rebounds, seven assists, four steals, two blocks and had even Joe Johnson standing in the gap with Larry Drew to prevent his exit from the second half. He was everywhere on a night where they had to play Radmanovic due to the length of the Suns frontcourt, Smith was in the middle of every defensive rebound, using every bit of his gifted wingspan to snatch those boards.

I understand he's not popular, but Willie Green had another good game and earned the right to finish this game with a 5-8/4-6 shooting performance, landing him with 20 points off the bench, Flip Murray style. When there was a loose ball in the second half, Willie was hustling over to get it. He added four rebounds and three steals, along with that last bit of saving the ball and the game business as time expired. His seven fourth quarter points were big, including the two big free throws late to keep it a four point lead.

It would be hard to put Jeff Teague on here for reasons I'll discuss in my Afterthoughts, so I'll put Zaza Pachulia's 15 point, four rebound, two steal, two blocks game down instead. Zaza scored quietly and efficiently, hitting six of nine shots and scoring seven important points in the third quarter that began to spin things back around the Hawks way.

Afterthoughts:

So about Jeff Teague. His offense was strong in the first half, scoring 12 points and continuing his tremendous three point shooting by hitting two our of three. But he could not check Steve Nash for anything, as the savvy vet broke off 17 dimes against the Hawks.

Teague has lapsed into some bad habits like making bad choices on the break, relying on that jump shot instead of breaking down the defense for his teammates, reaching and slapping defensively instead of moving his feet and keeping his man in front of him. It's a problem that really began to manifest itself against Mike Conley and the Grizzlies, and on display against tonight in Phoenix.

It's not an impeachable offense, these lapses, but it did mean that Hinrich had to check in to close the game instead of Teague. Teague will be alright -- not even wanting to get close to Josh Smithing the kid and only focus on the negative, but there were solid reasons for not playing him in the fourth quarter, and they are listed in the paragraph above.

Final Thought:

These guys -- who can predict them? First win in Phoenix since Royal Ivey was starting for the Hawks in 2007. And they were down as much as 14 in the process. Without Al Horford and with Joe shooting a miseable 2-10 for six points tonight. It's only the franchise's sixth win in Phoenix since 1986. These guys... good win, 1-1 so far on the roadie, a couple of days off and back at it in Portland Saturday night.

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Josh was a monsta!

I get the sinking feeling that LD is loosing confidence in Teague.

by RamblininAlb on Feb 15, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

So true

LD is just amazingly strange. That lineup of Rad and Kirk and Green got the win. But scary

by ATLpaul on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

LD was once scared to death by a young PG as a kid

That can be the only explanation as to his treatment of Teague last year and this year

Atlanta sports have singlehandedly crushed my soul.

by Beachy Keen on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Or he lost the last spot on his varsity team as a freshman to a senior PG

Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass

by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

If you put an 'a' on the end, it's not racist.

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by Duff_Man on Feb 16, 2012 11:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

so

why can’t we get at least a hint of this stat line every night?

12/23, 30pts 17rbs 7Ast 4stl 3blk

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Feb 15, 2012 11:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

we are getting closer to it

With more regularity this season, I will say that

by frootbooty on Feb 15, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And thank you Willie Green

Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass

by Nique Fan on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

Much needed win

Josh did it all coming down the stretch

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by Kris Willis on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

2 days off?!

Damn that means I have no excuse not to work on these papers

I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture

by a hooter's baby on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

first time since the season began

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by Kris Willis on Feb 15, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

its gonna be a long 2 days

Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone

by Throw on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Badly needed win

To get some confidence and some rest. We bloggers really needed both :)

And good news, Celtics lose, Pacers lose, Sixers lose

by ATLpaul on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

you got that right

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by Kris Willis on Feb 15, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Good day to be a Josh fan too

He beasted in the 2nd half.

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by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That win tied us with the Magic for the 4 seed

The East standings are getting tighter…

Atlanta sports have singlehandedly crushed my soul.

by Beachy Keen on Feb 15, 2012 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

They finally put Ivan in 2k12

and now he’s not getting PT

I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture

by a hooter's baby on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions  

WHERE IS 2kINSIDER

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by Throw on Feb 16, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

haha was that guy an imposter?

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by Kris Willis on Feb 16, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

showed some guts out there.

by Botchelism on Feb 16, 2012 12:10 AM EST reply actions  

Wins a Win

And Josh Smith closed another game out for ATL for a much needed win. But remember, hes not an All Star. Shame Joe Johnson got hurt after he got nominated for his 6th consecutive all star bid.

by Jonesy24 on Feb 16, 2012 12:16 AM EST reply actions  

argh i like teague and hate hinrich! love twin, loath zaza.

im like coach larry drew, whoever’s showing heart and making shots, thats my cousin right there.

by Botchelism on Feb 16, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Kris Willis on Feb 16, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions  

recd

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Feb 16, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think fans are consistently against single players

If a player is stinking it up on the court and dogging it, fans are going to get frustrated.

Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass

by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't really see it like that

I like Joe. His professionalism and all he has done for Hawks. His six All Star appearances speak to the fact that he is consistently good and at time great.

But IMO, there is no defense for a SG of his size, to not get rebounds in three straight games. I can see where one can go through a cold shooting period, but not rebounding at all for three straight games?

To me rebounding is about desire and fight. JJ is not fighting right now, and you must fight in order to allow the game to come to you. If you are not making effort, then the game won’t come to you.

by ATLpaul on Feb 16, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

He fought for Josh to stay in the game. Thats the most i remember him speaking up too anyone one the team!

An he has never said anything to a coach before, thats the leadership role he should have been doing his whole career with the hawks…..

by SmokedTooMuch013 on Feb 16, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jamal Crawford

for Threeeeeee!

I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture

by a hooter's baby on Feb 16, 2012 12:25 AM EST reply actions  

i always imagined that the PA guy goes with the team on road trips and sits right behind the hawks bench. can anyone confirm?

by Botchelism on Feb 16, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Ryan Cameron

stays in ATL and does his radio show

I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture

by a hooter's baby on Feb 16, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

was hoping for confirmation bro. was hoping for confirmation :(

by Botchelism on Feb 16, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the MIKE BIBBY FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

was the best

Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone

by Throw on Feb 16, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeff teague wasnt good defensively

But i cant put all of the blame on Jeff Teague for Steve Nash going off on him. I think the zone had more to do with stopping the Suns Pick and Roll juggernaut than anything Kirk Hinrich did to him man to man

by Jonesy24 on Feb 16, 2012 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

Slow your roll about Teague

Let’s not make too much out of Hinrich’s whopping 3 assist-1 steal-5 point performance. I agree that Teague was bad getting around screens again, but it’s not like Hinrich was sticking to Nash like glue either. The Hawks changed up their defensive scheme in the second half. Kirk had the same problems getting around screens that Teague had for the most part, but the defensive switch gave him time to recover that Teague didn’t have in the first half.

The second half comeback was entirely due to Josh dominating, a few timely 3s (none of which Hinrich hit), and the Suns going cold with their jump shots. Hinrich’s primary role in this was to give Josh the ball and admire his handiwork. There was nothing he did during that second half run that Teague could not and has not done. At the end of the game when they stupidly but predictably went away from Josh in the post, they could have used Teague’s dribble penetration to at least put some pressure on the D.

Teague needs to get better at getting around screens, but 16 points/5 dimes/2 steals on 7/12 shooting is a solid line.

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by NajehDavenpoop on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

He wasn't using any dribble penetration tonight, though....

He had Nash on him all night and rarely made Nash work or pay. He was not working on defense. No hustle, all reach and slap. He was fabulous knocking down those outside shots, for sure, but I understand why he wasn’t out there to finish tonight.

He’ll be back out there Saturday, play 40 minutes, and make Jamal pay. :-)

by Jason Walker on Feb 16, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing agaist Teague

Teague’s our guy but we have to give Hinrich credit for doing a better job defensively. Altough, I do agree that I think the Hawks may have figured something out in combating pick and roll offenses with the zone.

by societydmg on Feb 16, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

There's an element too, of course, of how much we make him work

Kirk ultimately may lose his guy, get caught on the screen, whatever, but he’s also very aggressive and hands-y which can be irritating as heck.

Part of that is undoubtedly what the refs let him get away with. It looks to me like JT has pulled back quite a bit since those foul problem games.

by wjb1492 on Feb 17, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

half the time green was on nash during the game

so thats why im really confused of why teague sat

Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone

by Throw on Feb 16, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Hall of famer is a tricky player

He can make any player look bad.

Teague’s D against crafty players like Nash will improve. It comes with playing. This is the highest level point guards he will see. Ones that are not necessarily super speedy or physical, but super crafty and experienced. Think Kidd if he could still play. Think even to some extent Jameer.

These guys use the picks and as a defender you have to fight your way around, over or under. Always look ahead as opposed to just look at offensive player directly. Nash is always planning. Again a little like Jameer. His first move is not really to kill you, he is just setting you up for the kill. Teague will learn that, and some of it comes with playing against these types of point guards a few times, experience. Teague is really just a rookie playing wise in this league.

by ATLpaul on Feb 16, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

True about Teague still learning

I forget that sometimes. He’s still learning the pro game after playing sparingly the last couple of years. I think because I see his athleticism I expect him to be a dominant player, even though he’s had less than a full season’s worth of starts.

Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass

by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Great game summary

This line is a classic:

“Game like this make it hard to understand how coaches don’t put him among the top players in the league. He IS the game, good and bad, when he is on the floor. He is a force of nature. He undeniably wants to win, badly, but differs in how that is best accomplish through his talents” -———— As they say live by the sword, die by the sword. I rather live and die than be a stand-by along for the ride.

Above paragraph and this post is going into my hall of fame posts.

Zaza with solid night. He is earning his money.

I agree with your points about Green. He is a fine offensive spark. Bring him in when struggling on offense. Moving JJ to 3 and letting Green do his thang at 2 seems to be working. As I said in game thread, that is beginning to be my favorite lineup (Teague, Green, JJ, Smoove and Zaza). IF Green scores keep him in the lineup, if he does not take him out. Just like Jamal. And if JJ is fireing on all cylinders,yes no need for Green, but when he is, Green is a fresh breath of fresh air offensively

by ATLpaul on Feb 16, 2012 6:22 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully LD only play Green when his shot is falling

unlike he did with Jamal.

Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass

by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

At least we know Green is no point guard.

So if JJ is struggling, bring Green in for offensive relief. Let him shoot and see if he is hot. I also like that Green does not have to monopolize the ball, he just shoots quick. As opposed to Jamal who dances with the ball, behind his back, between his legs, blows on his hands, does 3 crossovers and then does an off-balance fade-away three. Of-course I miss all that side-show, but it was all show and took away from flow, which Green does not.

by ATLpaul on Feb 16, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

That sounded like you described Jackie Moon's free throw routine

“I’m just gonna go rover coach.”

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by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I loved the commitment in using the actual ABA uniforms

To go with the normal Will Ferrell improv.

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by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't come into the thread until the end

but I saw the progression of angry “Why Josh? Noo!” type posts to happy hawk fan posts “Smoove!” and “Willie!” and “Влад три!” or “Vlad je za tri!” (If Vlad speaks serbian or croatian). Overall the game and the game thread was great.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Feb 16, 2012 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

Serbian. I had to look it up.

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by Duff_Man on Feb 16, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I love when Josh has good nights.

The more he makes me eat crow, the better. But he has to stop shooting anything outside of 8 feet.

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by Duff_Man on Feb 16, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

But as has been seen (maybe too often) teams will cut off his path to the basket and leave him with the open jumper

But I agree, the 22 footer isn’t a shot that should consistently be in his arsenal.

Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass

by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

And he has to stop bringing the ball up and trying to do everything himself

He has so much stinking talent and can do so much that is just awesome. If someone could just persuade him to pass the ball off to a guard after a rebound! He’ll get it back. At least three of his turnovers last night came from him rebounding, bringing the ball up, trying to go inside, and losing it, without another teammate even touching the ball.

(To be fair, I hate it when any player does that. It just really stood out in contrast to him doing so much right last night.)

by wjb1492 on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It bothers me a LOT.

I hate when “professionals” forget the basics. It is a slap in the face to the game.

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by Duff_Man on Feb 16, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

just imagine how I feel when it comes to Larry Drew

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by Throw on Feb 16, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Josh

Nbatv said only three active players have done what Josh did statistically last night, Dwight Howard, Lebron James and Tim Duncan

by frootbooty on Feb 16, 2012 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Not being able to watch all the games, I didn't realise that Teague was dragging his ass on defense (sorry Throw)

I’m glad LD sat him. Hopefully he is receiving constructive feedback to allow him to improve and stay in front of his man on D. He has the athleticism to be a disruptive, if not dominating defensive player and it is good that the Hawks coaching staff is looking to improve him in this area.

Also, is it just me, or does grinding out this win make anyone feel that the team might’ve turned a corner with the energy they’ll bring in the next few games?

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by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

Good question, about energy

…I think this was a game, like we’ve seen against the Hawks a few times, where Phoenix could have put the Hawks away early and sent them packing, especially with another 3 games left on this road trip, but they didn’t. Allowing us to hang around, make a couple of plays, and be in it is what finally energized the Hawks.

Once that happened, Josh Smith made plays everywhere and the Suns were sunk.

by Jason Walker on Feb 16, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It's good that the team have a couple of days to rest

but I hope after the time off they don’t come out sluggish against the Blazers.

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by Nique Fan on Feb 16, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Portland has the best strip clubs in America.

We’re screwed.

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by Duff_Man on Feb 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah

if our players haven’t gotten enough out of the ones at home I don’t know how much would satisfy them

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Feb 16, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

hey I just wanna know

why we cant ever play teague and kirk at the same time. but anyway about the energy, I just hope we go and beat the the next game

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by Throw on Feb 16, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

@throw...

jeff
kirk
joe
josh
zaza
….idk if I dreamt this/said it outloud/blogged it on another site (this is now my FAVORITE sports site)/or use this lineup in 2k12…… it makes sense to me though…….thats a good lineup and marvin can add bench fire power…..

"I'm on 1"

by I am usually right except when... on Feb 16, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In my opinion

this is the lineup I was hoping we would use when we played the bulls last year (that is until kirk got hurt) but yeah depending on the team i would love to see this linup

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by Throw on Feb 16, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we will see that lineup at some point

but so far Kirk has struggled. Might have happened last night except Willie was making shots.

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by Kris Willis on Feb 16, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

They've played a whopping 13:32 together

and are +17 in that time. I certainly think it’s worth seeing more of.

by wjb1492 on Feb 16, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Kris Willis on Feb 16, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Nash's performance

Nash wasn’t as effective in the second half not solely due to benching Teague, but also due to adjusting the team defensive approach to the pick n roll. Teague has some defensive lapses, but it still seems to me that Drew breaks bad on him (Zaza gets it too) while letting similar lapses go from other players. It’s that inequity of treatment that will potentially alienate Jeff. If Drew held everyone to a similar standard he’d get more respect as coach. It’s a little too late to expect that though.

by Evildallas on Feb 16, 2012 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

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