Miami Delivers 107-87 Beat Down To Atlanta At Philips Arena
The final score said 107-87 and the reality is that it wasn't nearly that close. The truth is that the margin of error is so small for the Hawks against a team like the Heat that any one lapse can turn into a game changing run. That lapse came early Sunday night in the form of a 26-5 run to end the first and start the second quarters. When these two teams met the first time around, it was Miami that seemed somewhat disinterested and the Hawks hung around long enough to grind out the victory.
Atlanta clearly had Miami's attention this go around and they delivered the punch early and the Hawks basically went away. You aren't going to beat many good teams settling for jump shots every trip down the floor particularly when the opponent is shooting layups and/or getting to the free throw line. We could get more in depth but that basically, in my opinion at least, sums up this loss. The Heat did what they wanted, when they wanted and Atlanta did nothing to change that. Hawks coach Larry Drew:
"When things weren't going very well, when we were missing shots and physically they got up in us," Drew said. "... They were clearly the aggressor and we did not respond. You could read our body language. When they made that run our body language was not very good. That is an area where we have to get better at. There is too much basketball to be played when they make a run."
The stats are full of ugliness including a 31-7 advantage for Miami in free throw attempts and a 52-38 rebounding advantage for the visitors. Atlanta turned the ball over 13 times which led to 17 points for the Heat. Willie Green ended up leading the Hawks in scoring with 17 points on 7-12 shooting. Joe Johnson was the only other Hawks player in double figures with 12. Peculiar stat of the night was that the Hawks, despite their struggles, still had 26 assists on 35 made baskets.
LeBron James led the Heat with 23 points, 13 rebounds and six assists. James was just 6-15 from the field but 10-12 from the free throw line. Dwyane Wade added 21 points while Chris Bosh finished with 14 points and 16 rebounds.
As Jason pointed out last night, the good thing about this team is that they normally do a good job of moving on from disappointing losses like this one. Right now for whatever reason, the Hawks look more comfortable playing on the road so a difficult five-game swing might not be a completely bad thing.
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So did last night's loss take the heart out of everyone?
Kind of quiet around here today
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I missed the game and I have no intention of watching highlights
Im not really surprised that we lost, but blowouts hurt
Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone
I think
if we were going to play an offensive pace that slow we might as well played with zaza and damp. Pargo gets in and starts pushing the ball up better than Kirk and teague
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I don't think you really want to push the pace against Miami
I’d say the game plan was to slow things down considerably
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by Kris Willis on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think I'd rather push the pace in situations where the offense is stuck in Jack-em-up mode
we would get a long rebound and slow it down and let them set up in a zone. There’s no imagination to what would happen every single time that happened
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
You can slow the pace without going into jack-em-up mode
All I am saying is that you don’t go into a game against the league’s best fast-break team and try to outrun them
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by Kris Willis on Feb 13, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
it's really not about them
than it is about the hawks getting into rhythm. No it’s not about outrunning them but you don’t want to breed more isos by slowing it down everytime you get a long rebound. Zaza was trying to get an outlet but he’s the least expected person to run down one.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Forget I even brought it up
Hell they need to break out the Loyola Marymount scheme and see how that works out
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Is Paul Westhead still available as a coach?
The scheme didn’t work out too well for the ’91 Nuggets though.
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
Slowing down your own offense doesn't necessarily slow theirs down
I think the Hawks definitively proved that last night. There’s a quite a few things you can do to try to slow down teams who like to run the fast break.
1) Take care of the ball, to prevent live ball turnovers which result in run-outs.
2) Block out, to get more offensive rebounds, or at least to make them fight over rebounds, which can slow down their running.
3) Drive to the basket, get to the line more, and keep the ball generally near the basket. More jumpshots equals more long rebounds equals more opportunities to run. Even if you miss free throws, run-outs that result of rebounding from free throws is rare since you have your guards back.
If your team isn’t effective at getting up and down the floor, it might also help to take your time on offense, so your guys don’t run themselves ragged trying to keep up. But then, if you get down by so much that your starters only play 20 minutes, it doesn’t really matter what the pace is-they’re probably in good enough shape to play 20 minutes worth of really active basketball. It might even be an effective tactic to force the ball down the floor and try to get your own fast-break offense going, because you can get near the basket, create fouls, and perhaps punish them if they’re too aggressive offensively. But that’s only if you can aggressively push the pace without being careless with the basketball.
Slowing down your own offense AND settling for a lot of jumpshots AND being careless with the basketball AND failing to block out leads to looking like you’re a high school JV team playing against UNC.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
2) block out Bosh. Pachulia too unathletic, Smith and Marvin too small. Horford wouldve helped there and pushed the ball a bit. We beat this team before.
On to the next game.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I was more bothered by the iso-offense last night
4 guys standing around the arc waiting for the guy with the ball to do something helped Miami’s defensive efforts. I get really annoyed with the guys when they seem to forget that (a) you can move without the ball, and (b) you can pass the ball without dribbling around to see if you have a shot first.
and what i'm saying is
pushing the ball up can facilitate that
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Totally agree
Why do the players forget that even in an iso-set, cutting baseline and through the post can draw defenders away from the bucket to possibly set up an easier bucket for the individual with the ball.
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
the thing is
the hawks do that in games that they win. It’s as if they are labotimized in games like this
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I think so Kris
That was such a beating, really could not blame any one it was so comprehensive, and on top of three other home losses by large margins, just a tough way to go at home against these good teams. Seems like we are out of it before end of 3rd quarter if not earlier
I know I feel you
Honestly I had to summon up the energy to write anything about last night’s game. Perhaps this team needs to head back out on the road. They have had some success there thus far.
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by Kris Willis on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
This
As I have said before, I still think we’re a playoff team, but whoopty-freakin’-doo.
I hate that we’re force-fed mediocrity by the ASG.
It’s painfully apparent the Hawks will not, and cannot, beat the top teams this season without Horford. Instead of blowing things up to financially help out the team in the future, we’ll do nothing and snag the right to lose in the first round of the playoffs. Yay playoff $$$!
So, yes, this game depressed me. I was hoping we’d hang tough against the Heat and potentially change my mind about our chances this season.
Nothing changed, so at least I am depressed.
GATA!
some thought that was this team's fate before Horford went down
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by Kris Willis on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
While we may never know...
I disagree.
Horford would (a) add an All Star to our line-up and (b) instantly add depth, which is the bigger issue since I foresee Smith and Johnson wearing down toward the end of the season.
With Horford, we’re the 3rd or 4th best team. Thus, in the first round, we’d face a “lesser” opponent AND would have had home-court advantage (which meant a lot last night). Who knows who we’d face in the second round?
Without Horford, we’re the 6th or 7th best team. Now, we’re looking at going to Chicago, Philly or Miami in the first round. While we won’t get swept, there’s no way we take the series…
GATA!
Not really. I jumped ship at halftime, so my opinion would be skewed.
Couldn’t really watch it. Was hoping to see some miracle highlights this morning, but that plan obviously was crushed.
Moving on to the next game.
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Man. I'm always the one saying it's a bad matchup but I didn't know Bosh would hurt us so bad. Even when they went small they were better than us. We have no ability to play big
and its disheartening management said that we need that yet they are not backing up the players.
Its disheartening to see fake tough guys like the Heat come out and dominate. But its realistic how they got their points.
We took what = good shots with our team but the miss = a turnover against the Heat. All Billy Knight’s 6’8 jump shooters, no size and nothing easy inside.
Even if we had hit our shots, they were still jumpshots and only certain teams/players can build an offense around jump shots.
Smith looked undersized vs Bosh out there (on both ends, I mean he was no way capable of blocking Bosh’s shots man to man) and sharp contrast to Ry Anderson and Turkoglu guarding him. Lebron locked up JJ.
And Marvin Gaye Williams. Couldnt hit the side of a barn when open for 3. Couldnt hit the side of a barn when driving or open for mid range. Too small to post up inside. Everyone from Mike Miller to Lebron to Wad was taking turns guarding him so they could rest!
Its so obvious. As for the next game Hard to see us matching up better with Lakers twin towers although we are “more athletic” I doubt we can up tempo them. They’ve lost Odom off their bench and they are spread thin.
A beatdown from Miami is to be expected. Marvin is the weak link imo and cant expect JJ and Smith to dominate their matchups. But a weak link like that we cant have that against the Heat esp without Horford rebounding and pushing the ball. Will he be able to do that come playoffs or is he out for the season?
A win in LA would boost spirits but we will eventually have to go thru Miami in the playoffs and management needs to do some damage control, leak something saying they are looking for trades, timetable on Al’s return or trade. Connect with the fans. Give us some insight. All we ever hear is LD saying he was dealt these cards and Sund is mum.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions
A broke record I know. But we had 26 assists on 35 made baskets and still got blown out. If thats not indicative of a flawed jump shooting team I dont know what is.
Well, actually JJ said it himself they were all jump shooters. 1-5 all 6’8 or smaller players with no ability to get inside plays against the athleticism and length of the Heat.
The weak link is Marvin never became a PF. Marvin is a “small” Forward And Vlad turned out to be a SF, and McGrady is also a SF. Smith is no shooter so how do we go big if we have no power players who can shoot?
This all came down to matchups but to take the sting out we will see what happens in LA on Tuesday. Lets all take a step back and hope management makes a move.
I fail to see what Dampier is for. He is not a PF/C to pair with smith and one that can shoot.
Maybe NJ would be willing to part with stretch big man Okur for a 2nd rounder? Or better yet Vlad??
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions
#graspingatstraws
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Then again there's this:
Teague+Joe+Josh+Zaza (Vlad)
KirkMcGrady(Marvin)Ivan+??
McGrady+Marvin could be the bash bros. off the bench. I’m not saying long term but in retrospect to counter the Heat or today counter the Lakers.
Hope Marvin and McGrady can be that spark off the bench and Vlad can get more open looks with starters and then there’s his steals etc etc.
LD said Vlad played well with Pachulia and we saw what he did as a starter. Its not perfect but it might help throw other teams off and get better shots (3s from Vlad and inside muscle points posting up Marvin+McGrady together off the bench).
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Chicago slipping?
ESPN Radio was just reporting that DRose is seeing a back specialist tomorrow, and that Rose is despondent.
This may be a long, recurring thing for Rose. Or it may be next to nothing. It should be interesting to follow for a little while anyhow.
Chicago is still really good without DRose. I do think his loss would hurt them in the playoffs bigtime, way worse than the regular season. They’re so deep, they could still probably win a bunch of games in the regular season. But you need that crunch time guy in the playoff’s, and that would be lacking on the Bulls is he goes down.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
Who cares? This is Jeremy Lin's league now.
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by Duff_Man on Feb 13, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You keep threads alive all by yourself.
I’ve never seen anyone on any of these blogs put up more back-to-back-to-back posts than you. I’ve also never seen someone reply to their own posts as much as you. You’ve really got a lot to say, a lot of the time.
by BravesFanScout on Feb 13, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I still fine.... I expect loses like this during the season.
This teams fate is about the playoffs.
So we just have to learn something from this loss?
I get what you mean, though.
And Atlanta is kind of a weird team – you could tell pretty early last night that it was going to be a long night with the matador defense on drives to the basket and shots not falling. But instead of doubling down on the team concept and effort, it’s like everyone decides individually that they will have to save the team, and suddenly we’re completely disorganized and revert to the heavy iso-ball. Compound that last night with poor shooting and not getting inside against a very good team, and you have the perfect recipe for a huge blowout. Demoralizing – but exactly the same in the W-L column as a hard fought loss.
Bring on the road games!
I expect a better playoff performance than last year...
As long we don’t get the Heat in the 2nd round, I will be confident we can make it to the ECF.
I wish we were the team
That slips up inexplicably against weaker opponents but can hold ground against tougher competition instead of what we are. I’ve seen too many of these types of teams in Atlanta. In the playoffs, we’re only gonna see quality teams. Darned mediocrity
Atlanta sports have singlehandedly crushed my soul.
by Beachy Keen on Feb 13, 2012 1:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
With Jamal
We would’ve lost 117-97
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by a hooter's baby on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Awful game
Erase the tape, and move on to the Lakers
Heart
Bottom line, I don’t care about wins and losses on a playoff team. I want to see consistent progression toward getting ready for the playoffs. At this part of the season, this is damning to me. Not end of the world – doesn’t mean we won’t make the playoffs, but I was quiet because I’m on the road (I’ll be at 40/40 in NYC to watch the Lakers/Hawks games) and because I was at the game and they didn’t have the heart and toughness that you need to win playoff games. The idea that Horford matters or the bench matters or the coaching will get better can be debated, but what can’t be debated is that the Hawks are punkable and as long as that’s the case – we will never be a contender. This is the biggest issue for this team – why we can’t get leadership vs. top teams when times get tough? No one on this team provides that, not even Stackhouse (SMH)
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