Heat vs. Hawks Final Score: Miami Heat 107, Atlanta Hawks 87
Quick Thought: Say, can somebody unschedule all remaining nationally televised games? Signed, Hawks' Intensity.
Deep(er) Thoughts:
There were about 4 1/2 minutes of the first three quarters that the Atlanta Hawks made any kind of mini-run. For the other 31 1/2 minutes, everyone was treated to a classic "we're intimidated" Hawks game, the kind where we see the Hawks treat the lane like it's a pool of acid and missed jumpshots like spurious poll results.
You would have thought Alonzo Mourning was still in his prime the way the Hawks meekly poked their toes in the lane before throwing it back out for a jump shot. The Hawks were 11-27 and had almost four times as many three attempts than free throw attempts, with a paltry seven for the game.
It was only the fourth time a Hawks team had shot seven or fewer free throws in a game since 1986, but the second time this season, the first being the win at home over Chicago, per Basketball-Reference.
It only underscored the timid approach the team took to their offense and when the missed shots found their way into Miami's hands, it led to the Heat' either scoring in transition or getting to the line, which they did for a 26-31 night for free throws.
Jeff Teague showed he has a ways to go to be the confident, aggressive trigger man to the offense night after night and this game showed the difference between the offensive efforts with which Teague shows up. Joel Anthony can block shots, but there was no way the Hawks would feel as though there was no hope getting inside. The Hawks out-assisted the Heat 26-18, but the lack of attack hurt the Hawks in the free throw disparity.
Afterthoughts:
The Miami Heat, per MySynergySports.com, are the #8 defense in the league by points per possession. Their weakest spot is in closing out on spot up shooters, where they give up nearly a point per possession. Naturally, team's try to exploit that regularly, as that play appears in 25 percent of the Heat's defensive plays.
The Hawks used 28 of their 105 possessions on spot up shots, and were very successful there, scoring 36 of their 87 points on those plays. The 1.29 points per possession represents 51% more success on those plays than on the other 77 possessions, where the Hawks could muster only .66 points per possession.
So the Hawks actually exploited the Heat weakness more than the average team, but everywhere else --- the Heat had the Hawks' number.
Final Thought:
Here's the silver lining to another national embarrassment "effort": This team has never been about defining wins or losses -- there's only the next game, which comes Tuesday night against the Lakers, the first game of a five game roadie that include Phoenix, Portland, Chicago (on ESPN again) and wrapping it up against the Jeremy Lin resurgent Knicks. Wait, did I say silver lining?
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Apparently we're a good enough team to beat sub .500 opponents
But struggle against above .500 opponents. Sound familiar? Sadly, this is not a contending team, good (not great) players, poor coaching, worse management
Stop me if you've heard this before. An Atlanta team chokes in the postseason...
I never said we couldn't beat above .500 teams
I just said to contend we need to routinely beat above .500 teams, at least go .500 against them. Right now we’re 5-9 against .500 and better teams
Atlanta sports have singlehandedly crushed my soul.
This is why the media hate the Hawks. We just have to understand it and get over it.
My girlfriend and I went to the game tonight and she hasn’t watched the Hawks at all this year and here are some of her quotes….which is what we here from most of the media..
- " They play so lazy and it looks like they aren’t trying."
- " They are letting them score on everything."
- " Josh Smith looks like he sucks!"
- " We shoot to many jumpshots and play so sloppy."
She is a casual watcher of the Hawks and these are the same things we here from most other casual Hawk fans and media. We’ll never gain respect because they just don’t have the consistency throughout the season even though we know we can count on them to make the playoffs and probably make it to the second round.
by BravesFanScout on Feb 12, 2012 11:04 PM EST reply actions
It's a vicious cycle
Players don’t have consistant effort and so fans don’t consistant come to games/care about the team. Less fan support = less effort/hustle which fails to gain less fan support. I wish we could be the Blazers/Thunder but it takes breaking the cycle
Stop me if you've heard this before. An Atlanta team chokes in the postseason...
by Beachy Keen on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
*fails to gain more fan support
Stop me if you've heard this before. An Atlanta team chokes in the postseason...
by Beachy Keen on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
all comes down to matchups,
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
The difference
In todays game: atlanta 6-7 from the stripe, miami 26-31. Final score miami 106 atlanta 86. 20 point difference in ft’s, 20 point difference in the final score. No coincidence. Hawks never get calls to go their way on national tv…the nba wants miami to win, thats a fact.
by bravesfanldh on Feb 12, 2012 11:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Correction
107-87, haha, but the fact remains the same
by bravesfanldh on Feb 12, 2012 11:40 PM EST via Android app reply actions
The Hawks might've seen a bit more parity in the trips to the charity stripe if they'd looked to take it to the bucket a bit more
rather than relying on outside jumeprs.
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
Thats
My point. Hawks only shot 7 ft’s! When I said the nba wants miami to win I want saying they weren’t giving the hawks calls, I was saying they were putting miami, and james in particular, on the line for shooting fouls that were anything but shooting fouls.
Atlanta definitely didn’t help themselves to get to the line and should have been much more aggressive, I agree
by bravesfanldh on Feb 13, 2012 1:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
so was at work during the game
sounds like a game im gonna have to suppress from my memory
Ivan Johnson once strangled a man with a cordless phone
It's getting disheartening to approach a fourth quarter
and hope that the bench can add some respectability to the scoreline. It just seems to be a little too commonplace lately.
Do not anger Ivan Johnson, or he'll have to go Kermit Washington on your ass
Another home loss by 20-30 points and Gearon town hall
Really seemed like Hawks were never in it after mid-way in first quarter. It was an excellent crowd, with normal newly converted Heat fans, but even they were not really into it when the game is not competitive.
Lion was in the house. He had a tight sling on his arm, obviously so as it don’t move. It was good to see him. He is missed
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Attended Gearon townhall for season ticket holders before the game at Hawks practice court, he took questions from the crowd, some nuggets,
- He was asked why do Hawks draft 6’ 9" centers, and another question about lack of centers, he answered he is mostly happy with play of Al, and that there are few Dominant centers today compared to past. He also pointed at fact Teague is 6’ 2" so they don’t draft 6’9" players always!! He said wish he could get Lion back before end of season.
- On subject of Teague, he talked how when Bibby trade went down, Wizards really wanted Teague, but he was not willing to trade Teague for Kirk. He said there were a lot of internal discussions. But he also pointed how team really got lucky when Kirk went down to try Teague and see what Teague is about. He said he realized what Teague was about when in playoffs last year he hurt both wrists, and wanted painkiller shots so he could quickly go back in and play, which he got.
- On whether he will sell the Hawks again, he sounded like he is in it for long term. He spoke to fact he could never hold a town hall meeting for hockey fans. because he doesn’t get hockey. The fact that he has been a Hawks fan since he was 4. He spoke to fact that one of reasons he bought the team was so a team that had become a losing team could again see good times and his kids could experience good basketball the way he had grown up with. He explained how tough it was selling Thrashers, how he asked his son to come to the meeting when he was going to confront newspapers about the sell, and how he broke up. He said at those low times an opportunity to sell the team came up and he agreed to sell. After sell did not go through, he took summer off, disconnected in his words, waited for lockout to finish and then came back. He is not looking to sell now.
- on subject of luxury tax he spoke how team is already in luxury tax. He spoke about Kenyon Martin. He said Kenyon was in ATL and had talked to Hawks and players. Hawks had told him they wanted him. But he also said Kenyon has a house in LA, so he thought just based on that fact, and the fact LA and NY markets always being magnets for players, it be tough to steal him
- He did speak about Jamal, and how he and his family so much like Jamal. But he believes Hawks have a deeper bench. Kept talking about value of Stackhouse in the locker room and the value of having veterans on the team.
- Spoke about Smoove. How he believes Josh is misunderstood. Talked how Josh’s facial expressions many times show a side of him that really is different than what he is inside. He did talk about Josh being All Star material, talked about the Chicago game and how Josh had filled the stat sheet with something that had not been done for many years and only by 4 players ever.
- He talked about value of continuity of having same core. Compared it to Orlando, who busted their team up and now are at worse place. Or talked about NY trying to put a team together and how tough it is. He spoke to fact that JJ came here, and how when JJ came here Cavs wanted him too, but were not willing to pay for him. He talked about Larry Hughes was the other free agent, and how Larry Hughes is now nowhere and JJ is still around. He talked to fact JJ is shy and doesn’t talk much. And even after the Detroit game, all JJ said was this is what they pay me to do.
- When the topic of center was raised again, he answered he thinks getting a center will reduce Smoove’s value by moving him away from the basket. So he is not convinced anything other than Lion and Smoove is necessary.
- He spoke how Teague is first point guard to lead the team in assists in the past 5 years other that other positions. He did say Teague still does not credit for what he does, and does not get the fouls called, which is why he jumped the refs in the Pacers game.
by ATLpaul on Feb 13, 2012 7:37 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Fantastic Informationally Rec'd!
Thank you, Paul!
by Jason Walker on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
I knew it!
- When the topic of center was raised again, he answered he thinks getting a center will reduce Smoove’s value by moving him away from the basket. So he is not convinced anything other than Lion and Smoove is necessary.
STRETCH BIG MAN

Should’ve asked him how we acquire one of these and if we really overlooked how soft Vlad was that you could cover them with wing players.
Because at the outset of the season LD called Vlad a 4. But then he had no post game and wings started guarding him instead of Smoove.
I’ve seen enough quotes to half believe they know what they’re doing. I would wish Hawks would see that quote and move on to the next questions. Yes Smith is effectively a center but, How hard is it to acquire a stretch C/PF and how long have they been looking for one?
- When the topic of center was raised again, he answered he thinks getting a center will reduce Smoove’s value by moving him away from the basket. So he is not convinced anything other than Lion and Smoove is necessary.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I mean obviously other teams want the Hawks undersized and arent giving up big men who can shoot. but thats the next step
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
unless he's talking about Smith is less valuable on defense? Because that is stupid. Smith's defensive value can come from athletic roaming and going into transition alley oops as an SF.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
ATLpaul..???
Does he sound like their is hope that Al will be back or is he done?
Al said he's hoping to get back right around end of season, beginning of playoffs
But if he’s not really even rehabbing yet while the muscle is still healing, it’s hard to be too confident in anything, I’d think. (That’s the stayed at the Holiday Express medical opinion, not a real one.)
No Different
This game is no different than the times they let this happen last year. These type games happened with Horford. I am a die hard fan, but I have never seen a legitimately good team roll over and get totally dominated like they are the worst team in the league like the Hawks do. And yes, it seems like it is always on national tv. I am not a Joe hater like most now and still actually like him. However, I think the problem here is partially with him. When he sees things going south like this in a hurry, he has to step up and drive the ball to the basket and get others to. Any idiot could see why they were losing. They were not hitting their jumpshots. Take the ball hard to the hole and test the mighty Joel Anthony. In times like this Josh often tries to do to much, but at least he often tries something. The other guys tuck their tails and look scared to death. Joe has to step up and lead by example at these times. HIs just another guy on the team act is great and when he plays great because it is good to have a humble star these days, but he has to throw that out the window when things are going like this. Also, I know they are pro athletes and hard to get through to, but I would love to see Drew screaming at them to take the ball inside. IT is like he concedes the loss as well.
The Hawks also didn't push the ball effectively enough
too many times we would get a long rebound only to slow it up and not pass the ball. Zaza was open, had his man pinned and nobody thought to even pass to the post.
Most of all, we didn’t use the zone like we did in earlier games with the Heat, not until the middle of the third and before that we were man-switching like the old days. I was thinking they didn’t use the zone because of zaza lateral limitations or awareness, but why not even try?? They were playing zone on us all day and they were off to the races.
And for crying out loud, Josh please give the ball to Teague or tell everybody to get out and run when you get a rebound
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
This is not a 66 game team....
This is what we do in the regular season and sometimes in the post season…but I think this years post season will be different.
does anyone actually believe that mike miller can check joe johnson? if you body check lebron when he starts his drive he’s not going to get to the hoop either. allowing them to defend us like that and calling touch fouls for lebron is going to alter the outcome of the game. hawks realize they werent going to get to the lane unmolested so they tried to win with jumpers.
Mike Miller wasnt checking Joe Johnson though! He was checking Marvin Williams! geez. People still dont see this.
sf Josh Smith + PF Jon Leuer/PF Ryan Anderson/Kevin Love/Dirk Nowitzki > tweener Josh Smith + tweener Marvin Williams
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 14, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions

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