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Hawks vs. Nets Final Score: Atlanta Hawks 106, New Jersey Nets 101

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Quick Thought: Winning ... it's like ... better than losing!

Hawksdawgs Memorial Victory Bullets:

  • Nets first basket (2-0 Nets) gave them their first lead at home all season. It didn't help prevent a 31-18 first quarter deficit for New Jersey.
  • Four spot-up jump shots up for Josh Smith in that first quarter, four made spot-up jump shots. Glad the Hawks didn't waste that good fortune Monday night.
  • Hawks pulled what the Bulls did last Tuesday night against the Hawks, namely playing the starters almost exclusively in the second half. Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague played all 24 second half minutes and only Zaza Pachulia got off the bench for the Hawks after halftime (Two and a half minutes).
  • I defy you to find a softer running hook than Joe Johnson's. It wouldn't violate a Do Not Disturb sign on the net.
  • It was going to be impossible for the Nets to be as cold as they were in the first quarter (5-17), and they evened the ledger by hitting 11-22 three pointers for the game. The Hawks shot 14-22 and was the difference as for the rest of the game, the Hawks hit 50 percent (28-56) and were edged by New Jersey (31-60, 51 percent).
  • 26 assists, 10 turnovers --- Al Horford and Joe led with 6 assists.
  • Vladimir Radmanovic was a hot 4-11 from three point range, if that makes sense.
  • Any coincidence in Josh Smith's higher production and the Hawks winning streak? 26 points, 10-14 shooting, six rebounds, 3 steals.
  • Three Hawks over 20 points: Smith's 26, Jeff Teague with 20 and Joe Johnson with 22 on 9-15 shooting.
  • The Nets should play Marshon Brooks 48 minutes a game against the Hawks. His 19 point, 10 rebound night combined with his earlier efforts puts him firmly on a path to becoming a Hawk Hater.
  • How many times will you see Al Horford, after getting punk'd by Kris Humphries on a blocked dunk, angrily grab a rebound, lead the break, hit Radmanovic on the wing who floats a lob pass to Josh for the slam? Well once, if you watched this game.
  • Teague made it happen in the third quarter, casually scoring eight of his 20 points on three outside shots, a trip to the line, and a crazy 10 second up and under scoop-o-rama that went down. The thrilling part is it all seems so natural that he was doing that -- to think that's what Jeff Teague does. Nice.
  • By the way, I'm pretty much over the teams taking and making any which way threes that go in late in the game. Surely the whole regression to the mean won't only apply to Josh's jumpers, right?
  • The Hawks are #4 in the SB Nation NBA Power Rankings. Not too shabby for a team that was looked over before the season started. Even in the Pacers/Sixers game, the Pacer announcers were wringing their hands over the arrival of the Hawks (Wednesday, 7 p.m. EST). Enjoy it, Hawks fans. Don't think. Just enjoy.

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by a hooter's baby on Jan 9, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If I were the Nets I would seriously look into building around MarShon

That guy looked like Kobe out there.

If they can draft a decent SF and stop signing garbage players to their bench, they could contend for the Atlantic.

by Bryant Singleton on Jan 9, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he has a long azz wingspan like Pierce. Doesn't like Kobe comparisons. He compared himself to Jamal.

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

you and wingspans

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got that long winding jumper like Kobe and Pierce... What should I compare him to Chase Budinger?

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 10, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

He's got Kobe's scoring talent

Can shoot the three, can pull up at any point, can drive through traffic. Maybe he doesn’t dunk like young Kobe, but he’s a super talented guy.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 9, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Good job Hawks

Keep it up!

If I am not addicted to pain, then why am I a fan of Atlanta sports?

by da fatchick thrilla on Jan 9, 2012 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

Willie Green is jacked

looks like he should be playing OLB for the Falcons and scooping up fumbles rather than diving at loose balls. Both him and Ivan Johnson are good signings in that they’ll show the rest of the roster what effort is all about.

Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?

by Nique Fan on Jan 9, 2012 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

ivan the mediocre

Ivan seems nervous, but I guess that could be expected. He lit a fire though. His defense…now that is the real deal.

by hotdawg on Jan 10, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

consistency

This team is showing chemistry, cohesion. Not only that but people are showing consistency. Great defense nite in and nite out. If the league isnot scared. They should be and Kirk Heinrich isn’t back yet. Looking forward to seeing what Larry Drew has in stall for Stackhouse. Who hasn’t seen pt all season.

by flyinhigh on Jan 9, 2012 11:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Stackhouse should be in the "stall." Out to pasture. Actually . I jest but playing Stack hurts the team.

LD being “nice” keeping him around. Stackhouse did play, vs CHI iirc. He airballed a fadeaway iirc. Finished athletically etc.

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 9, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

The Nets did a good job of hanging around at the end even if it was out of desperation.

If anything I applaud the Hawks for not giving in to the circus play at the end.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

iirc stackhouse is there for moral

by Botchelism on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

Alot of people were complaining about trading Crawford.

But Brooks was there where JC2 was drafted and Shumpert was almost there with the first rounder we traded. How much brighter would the team look had we let Joe walk. Heh that’s neither here nor there. Boston trading him was stupid crazy.

Kudos to Josh and Jeff, both abusing their counterparts.

by HD Bud on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Brooks, JC2, and Shumpert are reincarnations of JCrossover.

They are complimentary players that will only succeed if they play with star talent. The Hawks have enough problems complimenting Joe. There is a lot more to a winning basketball team than having a young guard that on a good day could light up the scoreboard.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Brooks, so far

Looks loads better than Shumpert or Jordan Crawford. Maybe he’ll take a step back, but it’s unfair to characterize him with those two, so far. The difference between them and MarShon Brooks, to date, is like the difference between Josh Smith and Kevin Garnett.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 10, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol... KG now or KG before 2009.

But either way if Brooks is that much better than Shumpert (which is up for debate because Brooks D is lacking alas JCrossover), he still isn’t a good enough talent to take any team to the playoffs, especially this one.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 10, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

what if what if

we didn’t draft shumpert or brooks

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 10, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm over the Crawford trade

Has anyone seen him this year? He looks terrible. He’s a worse shooter than Jamal at a higher volume.

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by a hooter's baby on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

and havent won a game

Larry Drew makes me think I can coach at a professional level.

by Throw on Jan 10, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He had the nerve to compare him self to Michael

THE Michael

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by a hooter's baby on Jan 10, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Certainly not true, fringe playoff team perhaps.

Bottom of the league with a chance to select Beal/Lamb/Barnes, win/win.

by HD Bud on Jan 9, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

even my Kids were like "the Nets again??"

Seems like the Heat loss got through to Josh and Joe…I see lots of effort

by Cmart34 on Jan 9, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

I think the positive that can come out of this is that josh continues to play good

if him and teague are both playing good we are somewhat unstopable

Larry Drew makes me think I can coach at a professional level.

by Throw on Jan 10, 2012 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

Josh the energizer

Did u see him bouncing around before the game, hugging all (Joe does not welcome embraces) and revving the engines? Smooooove does not work, but what he is doing now does.

by hotdawg on Jan 10, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

A bit high on the starters' minutes

But tomorrow is a day off. I’d still like the second unit to get steady minutes so that they are used to contributing.

by Evil Dallas on Jan 10, 2012 2:57 AM EST reply actions  

whoa nelly

PLEASE don’t tell Drew that, he will have them in the whole 4th quarter

by hotdawg on Jan 10, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Missing the biggest point

Here’s the takeaway – sometimes a win is a loss. It’s a loss that you defeat a team like the Nets by hitting a ton of jump shots, particularly when those shots are by Josh Smith. So, you can’t get excited about that. All it does is encourage him to ignore the 4 of 5 shots he hit inside and use the 5 of 8 as encouragement instead of the other games this season that showed he’s not good at that shot. I remember the days i went 5 of 6 from 3 in rec league ball, but it certainly didn’t make me a 3 pt shooter. Fortunately for me, I always knew after my first shot – if I should try again. Josh doesn’t think that way. So, I’m not happy about that or about the fact that Al can’t get his offensive game on track.

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

You are not being fair to Smoove

Those shots you are referring to where in rhythm jumpers. They were not ones where he had to think and shoot. They were mostly at elbow. Those are good shots for Smoove.

You also easily ignore the fact that he had 11 free throw attempts.

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Evolution my kind madame/sir....

We are all aware that AL is a monster down low but imho, I jwouldn’t mind seeing him work on hitting that jumpshot on a more consistent basis you gotta remeber he’s a "4"playing the “5”, not vice versa "…..Would you rather had a 20pt 8reb effort in a lossTo the New Jersey (we can’t put the ball into the basketball) Nets?…..At 7-3, I say go as slow as needed. …IMAGINE tho once he does get going…

"I'm on 1"

by I am usually right except when... on Jan 10, 2012 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well he is clearly not as efficient this year at the outside jumper

I have no problem with Lion’s shots from outside, problem is this year he is not doing good.

Case in point last night,
At the Rim he is 3 of 4.
At 10-15 feet he is zero of 1.
At 16-23 feet he is 4 of 9.

This year at 16-23 feet from the basket, he is at 35%. Compared to 53% last year at the same distance, and 48% the year prior. The sample size is still small (only 10 games this year), but clearly this is not a good omen.

Now the more important problem, is he is still lacking an inside move.

As comparison, at the same distance, Smoove is hitting 32% (16-23 feet) and JJ is making 24%. So Smoove is just a little less efficient, but of-course he is taking more shots from the same distance (5.2) and making 1.7 vs. Lion taking 2.6 shots from same distance and making 0.9 per game. JJ from same distance takes 4.6 and makes 1.1.

So what does all this data show?
Contrary to popular opinion, so far, Smoove is more efficient than JJ from 16-23, and only slightly less efficient than Lion, but Smoove is taking more shots from that distance than either JJ or Lion. Of-course both Smoove and Lion percentages from that distance are still not good.

Of-course JJ three percent shooting has been amazingly good this year, above 50% per game. So he far exceeds Lion and Smoove in that department

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not hitting them because he is hesitant.

That shot was his bread and butter last year. He should be very confident in that part of his game and there should not be any hesitation. In basketball, when you shoot better than 50% from anywhere on the court, people call that your sweet spot.

If anything Al has to be a leader and do his best to offset Josh’s bad shots. Now Al and many others would say that that shouldn’t be a concern of his and that Josh should just stop taking those shots. Well for 5 years everyone has told Josh that he takes bad shots and he continues to take bad shots. If Al would shoot before the ball swings to Josh, there would be less bad shots for Josh to take, which is ultimately better for the team.

Bottom line is whether Al is making shots or not he needs to take them. He is the teams best mid-range jumpshooter. We need that part of the game to be a complete team. Teague is the best at taking the ball to the hoops and he does that. Joe is the best at one-on-one, create your own shot plays and he does that. VladRad leads the way for the 3pt shooters and he does that. Smoove is the best at finishing at the rim and he does that when he can get there. And if you have paid much attention, Marvin is actually the Hawks best catch and shoot player and he does that. Al’s contribution to the offense is pick-and-pop and the mid-range J, he needs to do that.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But you see if he just forces shots then he won't have a high percentage

He is not a natural shot maker. His jump shot is one where he has to have his feet set just so, and then he elevates slightly and has the release. If he is not very careful, that jump shot can easily get blocked. It is also why in playoffs, his productivity decreases, because playoff teams play good D, and key on his jump shot.

So I don’t think he can force shots. and still have high rates of making them.

What people have to understand, is Smoove is a more of a natural shooter. And why he takes more shots. I am not saying he is a good shooter per se, Lion is more accurate. But Smoove can get his shot off.

This year, Hawks have luxury of Teague and Rad/Marvin being productive. I think we can be ok with Lion’s selectivity on shots.

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Its about the threat.

If he is not taking the shots, teams will risk cheating a little more in help defense. Even though Joe is our go-to option when we need one, this team has shown that their best offense is the threat than anyone can score and so teams have to respect every position on the floor.

Even with pressure Al has to be able to put shots up and be consistent because no one else has proved to be that but he has.

The fact is he has made less of an impact over the course of the first 10 games than in the past. The only thing that has noticeably improved for him is his shot blocking.

The Hawks need him as much as anyone. When Smoove plays good, the Hawks are more likely good that night. The same can be said for JJ. And it should be said for Al. When all three are playing well, its no doubt that this team is a contender. This team has proved to be inconsistent because there are not enough nights that they all have it going. Al has to be accountable and his play is just as crucial to the success of the team.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 10, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

There are two reason for him taking less shots than last year

1. He is not making a high percentage. Therefore he is shying away from taking those shots. There is a reason for that, and IMO playing international ball has left him in not good enough shape. Compare him to Smoove and JJ, who worked offseason to get in good shape, and hit the ground running.
2. He is a center. He knows he needs to be closer to the basket. Even as a PF, he will struggle the way he is playing. In fact, Smoove plays a better PF than Lion. Smoove attacks the basket. In fact he is the highest consistent attacker to the basket among the Hawks. Smoove goes to basket 5.7 times a game on average. Lion goes to basket 3.9 times a game.

Bottom line, if he can shoot better, he should take the shots, but that is not where he needs to be focused on to help the Hawks or himself in the long run. Sadly, offseason is the only time one can add to one’s skillsets.

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what that means.

Just like Smoove, Al is who he is. He is a pick and pop Center or PF. He doesn’t do anything different regardless of what position he plays, which is my biggest issue with people’s obsession with him playing out of position.

So where is the accountability. He comes in out of shape, he doesn’t shoot because he’s not shooting well (which is stupid if you are a scorer and there is no time for practice in this compressed schedule; sometimes you have to shoot your way through tough shooting stretches), and he is not rebounding despite trying to play closer to the basket.

Bottom line is if Al is a leader, which some consider the best leader, on the team, he needs to put as much weight of the success and failure of this team on his shoulders as does Josh Smith and Joe Johnson.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 10, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Lion must attack

No free throws whatsoever. This is truly concerning.
I said all summer he should work at his game, instead he went international balling, which just shows he has not added anything to his game.

Glad to see Teague and Smoove playing the way they are supposed to do.

We have games coming up against Pacers, Wolves and Blazers.
As much as the game vs. elite of the East were promising, it is those three games that will show the true character of these Hawks. Remember, the one game vs. a similar middle of the road team like Houston was a failure.

We wait and see.

Ah yes, Rad to always start at SF, and Marvin off the bench will work

by ATLpaul on Jan 10, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Horford has worked on his perimeter game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGnZ9WqinBY

Horford’s being a very efficient center. Leading the team in offensive wins shared, which is based on offensive rating. Recently the championship center is supposed to let the perimeters play while he stays inside and gets easy points for arround 10ppg. Tyson Chandler, Bynum, Perkins, Nazr etc. Give the ball to the perimeter guys who can shoot 3s or slash and attempt 3 point plays while the center hustles and dunks for automatic 2 points and 2nd chance balls.

Horf would have had a monster dunk had Hump not blocked him. Looked like a foul.

Smith: .690 True Shooting% 69% on 14 shots and 37 minutes.
Vlad 59% in 39 minutes.

Joe Johnson: .656 65.6% in 42 minutes

Jeff Teague: 72% in 42 minutes

peanut butter and jelly.

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Josh and Jumpers

it’s fool’s gold i tell you. You should only hope that he not get hot from outside so as to eliminate that from his game. otherwise, it’ll graduate from that to 3s. Trust…

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 10, 2012 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

If he missed his first 7 jumpshots next game....

he would still take 7 more

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 10, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

better then no gold

you r right, I would rather see JT take those, or lion…or zaza for that matter.

by hotdawg on Jan 10, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

sir charles- Yea, right

Barkley pi**ed the hawks off. Badmouthed them on national tv. That lit the fire. This team is playing great, I have watched them for decades (Ah, Dominique on the radio at grandmas house in Marietta….). I almost disowned them after Atl/Miami 2, but I see good things. The thing is, they must keep this up long enough for it to become ingrained. This style, this energy, for 10 games…then it may stick.

Thanks Charles. Enjoy the scam.

by hotdawg on Jan 10, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

He was badmouthing them while they deserved it, and they managed to prove him right every step of the way

I just hope that they don’t panic when Josh’s jumpers stop falling, and they can re-integrate Marvin and Kirk when those two get back.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 10, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm more scared

that Jeff has bought into the Josh should just ‘play his game’. The day the Hawks get better is the day that they completely disavow the Josh jumpers (and all the jumpers as a part of the offense). Here’s who should shoot j’s in order (V Rad, Joe, Marving, Al, Tracy, Jeff). That’s it. And Jeff is on that list only because he has to make that shot to be effective on the drive, so that has to just happen. Otherwise, the rest of these guys need to be running to the rim with reckless abandon. If you see anyone else shooting, you should cringe. And the team should be saying that…they should acknowledge our best practices for success, but to enable bad play – just says that that’s why it’s all fool’s gold.

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 11, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

On which planet do you live?

Smoove been balling. And all I see you say is stop the jumpers.
IF he stops the jumpers and Hawks lose, will you be happy then? Perhaps you think Chicago would still lose to us.

At what point are you and Smoove nay sayers going to realize Smoove is no Z-BO? He does not have those inside moves. But he tries. 11 free throw attempts and you are focused on jump shots that he took and made.

So what if Smoove does not play well in the next game? Is he to be blamed? If you blame him, then also realize Hawks don’t beat the last 3 teams without him scoring as much as he has.

Quit talking about Smoove and jumpers. It sounds so freaking one dimensional

by ATLpaul on Jan 11, 2012 5:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll keep talking about it b/c it does matter

you talking about ballin’ – so, if Zaza hits 10 jumpers in 3 games and is BALLIN’, but it means that Zaza is shooting jumpers the rest of the season trying to recapture that 3 game anomaly, then who’s happy? Not me…we’ve watched this before. Josh was hitting j’s and 3s 2 seasons ago and what has that gotten us – him THINKING that he can shoot. That’s the point. He doesn’t have to shoot jumpers to counter some lack of inside moves. He’s quick enough to shoot shots IN THE PAINT. He’s done it his whole career.

So, yes – if he’s wasting 4-8 possession on low percentage shots – I’m blaming him. The fact that he hit some j’s had little to do with them winning the last 3 games. I’m certain that if you give those shots to others who can make them more consistently OR if he just was taking them from where he makes more shots, then the outcome is the same. Like I always say, see the big picture. When it’s crunch time I want him loosed of the bad habits he’s always had. Shoot jumpers no matter the outcome is a bad outcome for Josh. It’s easy to win vs. the Nets, not so easy vs. the Heat, Bulls, Celtics, etc over the long haul. So, no, I’m not going to stop talking about it because it’s indicative NOT of the fact that we can’t win against anyone on any night, but it is the reason I have little confidence that we can win playoff series that way. We’re not winning playoff series with Josh Smith shooting jumpers. And if you can show me how that ever happened before, then I’ll gladly shut up about it. Otherwise, I’malways going to speak up about what is good basketball that leads us to the promised land. I’m not a Smith naysayer – I think he’s BY FAR the most talented players on the Hawks and yet his production is not on par with his talent and that’s because – wait for it…he shoots jumpers.

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 11, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

You are wrong on several fronts

First thing you are wrong about, is thinking he can go inside because he is quick enough. This is the mistake many people watching Smoove make. Because he is so athletic, they figure he has all the moves and handles. I have watched him all these years. He has natural quickness but that is not the same as inside moves. He can be stopped with other forwards with quickness who will play off him. Most teams are going to give him the outside shot. He needs to take them, and keep them honest. He is making a good enough percentage. He has improved his inside moves, but more work can be done on that front. Regardless, he will never be a dominating inside presence like Z-BO or McHale.

He does not have to make 50% of his outside jumpers. But as long as he makes enough of shot attempts, as he is doing now, and does not resort to 3 pointer, then the opponents have to guard him closer, and then he can drive. So the outside shot as long as inside the 3 point line, is actually a huge part of his game. Important thing is he needs to take the shot in flow and rhythm which is what he is doing. Not all outside shots are created equall.

You are absolutely wrong that we win the games prior to Indiana game without him scoring from outside. Vs. Chicago he was being allowed to take the shot. Boozer was laying off. Smoove took the shot and made it. No way will we win that game without Smoove outside shots. Go back and watch again and you see those instances.

And where you are wrong most, is saying he can give it to others to take the shot and they can make. This is the biggest mistake. Lion only takes high percentage shots and can be defended. JJ is normally doubled teamed and when he goes into ISO mode is actually deterimental. You can not tell me that Teague has a better outside shot than Smoove. And Marvin and Rad have not shown themselves to be consistent. Essentially if Smoove does not take and make those shots, then Hawks will not get those shots. Or maybe you think ISO Joe will win us games.

And he won the game vs. Chicago for us. So let’s remember it was not just the Nets game.

What I see with Smoove, that you fail to see, is that he becomes even more effective when makes those medium outside jumpers. Again he is making them at a higher rate than JJ from 16-23 feet. It is the type of shot where he has to think, and 3 pointers, that he needs to stay away from.

by ATLpaul on Jan 12, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Not wrong

I didn’t say he has to bang inside – he has to SHOOT the ball inside. That’s it. He can do that – he has done that, so it means moving without the ball and finding position – transition, etc. So, you can’t tell me he has to shoot outside. That is something you and i will never, ever, ever agree on. They are just wasted possessions and this team can’t afford ‘em – esp. come playoff time. He’s never going to make enough that anyone is going to check ’em. There is a very good reason all of his outside shots are open.

So, we’ll just agree to disagree on your point. And yes – I’m going to say the shooting percentage says – Teague’s OUTSIDE shot is better than Smoove’s. Not a metric in the world is going to prove that Smoove shoots better from the outside than Teague. None.

So, you want me to believe that the most inefficient shot in basketball (the long 2 vs. a 3 where you get rewarded for the lost percentages) that Smith can’t make is what makes him effective. Seriously…c’mon man.

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 12, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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