Hawks vs. Raptors Final Score: Atlanta Hawks 100, Toronto Raptors 77
Quick Thought: The Hawks are a better team and they played like it for 48 minutes.
Deep(er) Thoughts:
The Hawks came out and though the scoreboard indicates the first quarter was somewhat close, but Atlanta was getting to any spot on the floor that they wanted to, it was just that they turned the ball over by trying to be unselfish. The extra pass seemed to keep just missing, but the style of play was sound -- move the ball and get a good look. The Hawks were there.
Defensively, Atlanta held the Raptors to long jump shots, it was just that Toronto made a few in the first quarter. The Hawks showed good movement all around the floor, contested everything and generally kept Toronto off the offensive glass when the game was in doubt, which wasn't long.
Then, after the initially close beginning, Joe Johnson got hot and couldn't stop. What started gently with close shots turned into a one-up contest with himself, gradually moving further and further out and making them over and over. Finally, as the second quarter was coming to an end, Joe got the ball with four seconds left. Soon, a 30-footer was drifting up towards the hoop and a split second later Joe had 24 first half points and the Hawks a 19 point lead at the half.
Everytime Toronto would make a run -- or rather, made some of their outside shots -- the Hawks would be patient and answer. One particular possession Toronto was trying to get the lead down to ten but Tracy McGrady got into the lane, drew the foul, and took some free throws to stop the run and give the Hawks breathing room again.
Atlanta played "U Can't Touch This" basketball for 48 minutes and while the Raptors were a game bunch, they couldn't do anything to stop the Hawks or force them to do things they didn't already want to do.
Game Balls:
As indicated, ummm, Joe Johnson was post-toasty in Toronto tonight. Joe had 30 points in 30 minutes on 13-18 shooting. Toronto could do nothing with him, but they weren't necessarily double teaming him either. Toronto has been going with a three-guard starting lineup, but with Johnson being matched up on a smaller guard, there was little hope for the Raptors. After the first quarter, Kenny Gattison told Jerome that 'when Joe shoots and gets no iron right off the bat, it'll be a long night for a Raptor.' Try all of them tonight, coach.
Zaza Pachulia seemed to be in the middle of a few of those early extra passes that became turnovers for the Hawks, but Pachulia shot 5-6 for 10 points a six rebounds in his 26 minutes. He also had the play of the night when he took a pass and got turned around. Before heading out of bounds, Pachulia flipped the ball up backwards off the glass and it went in.
More than most game, Jeff Teague had control of the team tonight. When things got a little crazy, Teague was there to call for the ball and set things up. When the clock was short, Teague quickly got the Hawks into a play and gave the Hawks a good chance in every possession. 5-10, 10 points, five assists and a couple of nice early steals that turned into quick transition baskets and Teague helped Joe Johnson keep the Hawks way out in front.
Afterthoughts:
He was booed as soon as he touched the ball, but Tracy McGrady flashed some of the versatility in scoring and overall game that made him an All-Star. He had a few turnovers, but showed excellent elevation as his went 5-7 from the field and his length clearly bothered his matchup on both ends.
A note on Johnson -- again, it didn't matter who Toronto had out there on the wing, they couldn't shoot against Johnson and the Hawks. DeMar DeRozan, James Johnson, Jerryd Bayless and Leandro Barbosa combined for 13-41 (32 percent) as they struggled to shoot over the Hawks' collective length.
Final Thought:
The Hawks went four out of five on a road trip for the first time since the '68-'69 season. If I give you the point that the winning percentage of Milwaukee, Detroit, New Orleans and Toronto isn't stellar, then you have to give me that surely there have been similar roadies in the past and yet it was 43 years since it happened.
This team is better disciplined mentally to handle the ebb and flow of the NBA game and when a lead gets cut, they've been pushing it back out. Few lapses on either end and they usually don't last too long. Enjoy it, Hawks fans.
UPDATE: Here is the RaptorsHQ recap from the game as well. Here is the tease line:
The Hawks managed to thrash the Raptors from the second quarter forward. What was harder to watch was a 33 year old shooting guard with back issues completely school our wing players. Kinnon Yee looks at how T-mac bit into our hometown heroes.
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didnt they just lose to cleveland?
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
Great Game
T-Mac is alive
Teague is speed
Marvin, hmmmm I am thinking
Zaza the great
And Joe Freakin Smokin Johnson
Joe freakin smokin suck it Miami and Orlando Johnson
jason terry needs to retire so we can call jeff jet teague
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
I feel as if i've heard that somewhere
But what the hell, I love it
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
So 1/3 of the way through the season with a 16-6 record
not bad at all
Damn Georgia Tech students
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
And damn proud of it
Atlanta Sports: Allergic to big games
by Beachy Keen on Jan 31, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
count me in that group
I"m still not convinced totally – we have done the hot start for about 2-3 years in a row. it was down the stretch that we stayed at the same level and other teams got better and by the playoffs – we were only good enough for a 1st round win. I want to see this team continue to grow…I see that with Marvin and Teague and I see Joe for the first time since his first year in town – a desire to actually BE a superstar…not just be paid like one. In that context, Horford should have gotten hurt last year…
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 1, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
This start has been much more sustained and in past years.
The Hawks over the past two years have started out 5-0 and 6-0. But they would lose that momentum early. 16-6 is much more impressive than 5-0 or 6-0 because in this season its a third of the way through and they are doing it without one of their key pieces.
It's been a good effort by the team in the last 2 games to allow the starters to rest in the 4th
We’re gonna need them well rested against the Grizzlies on Thursday night.
Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel
Anyone ever see this picture

I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 31, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Marvin with the straight up OG snarl
Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel
by Nique Fan on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
every one of them
know they can’t wear those during the game
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
That's the tallest MarvFro has ever stood.
If the Hawks win it all.........I will shave MY eyebrows.
by Hawk n the Ham on Jan 31, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And Livingston.
Al Jefferson is on the same level in my opinion.
by jdewayneatl on Jan 31, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
on some nights second best
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
He wanted to be traded
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 31, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha haa!!
You’re on fire tonight. Call him the JJ of game thread jokes.
Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel
Duff_Man is JJ
Call me the Old Marvin, too inconsistent
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 31, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've been called worse
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 31, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I would take Marv over Telfair anyday
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
The Hawks have it rolling.
This home stand should be exciting. If the Hawks lit it up on the road, imagine the possibilities on the road.
Willie Green is looking like he doesn’t want Kirk to get any of his minutes. Man he is doing a job since he got into game shape. He was off for the first few games of the season.
Kirk still has to get his game rhythm, but once he does, the Hawks will soar even higher.
Zaza is playing well as a starter, but I think the second unit had more rhythm when he played with them. TMac has to find a new partner for now, Kirk just may be that guy.
Ivan continues to work hard. That’s all that you ask from a 6’8 forward playing back up center.
The Hawks are rested on their way back to the A. See you soon JSmoove and company!
The AJC is showing the Hawks no love.
No game thread, no beat reporter, no recap and Jeff Schultz writes an article on Dwight Howard on the day that the Hawks complete a 4-1 road trip and go to 16-6 on the season. If the local media don’t give a crap about the home team, I guess no one can be mad that the national media doesn’t either.
I tought ajc couldnt sent anyone on the trip
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
The AJC chose not to send anyone on the trip
pinching pennies
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by Kris Willis on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
It's a football region, I get it
But come on…Two games out of the five they didn’t send anybody — terrible. Don’t think they do that to the Braves.
by Jason Walker on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are correct about the Braves. And I get it during football season...
but talking about 3rd ounce draft choices over this team?? I may just have to call in and force the issue!
Not only do they not do that to the Braves, they pay TWO beat writers to cover that team. Why, I don’t know. But if they can afford David O’Brien and Carroll Rogers salaries they can afford a plane ticket to Toronto, what with all the Delta ads splashed all over ajc.com all the time.
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by NajehDavenpoop on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe all the writers are felons an cant get a passport!
by SmokedTooMuch013 on Feb 1, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
The worst part of this is
If we don’t voice our opinion on this then this could become the norm for future road trips which we certainly don’t want
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by Kris Willis on Feb 1, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They had bigger fish to fry...
They were all tied up at a news conference watching a 17 year old grandstand about what college he’ll be going to in the fall.
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This is what was on the front paper of the AJC sports section past 2 days
1/31 – Story about ACC bottom leading (last position) yellow jackets basketball team and SEC bottom leading Bulldogs (last position) basketball team.
How much Hawks story was there:
sportsout time of game 7:30pm
Opponent: Toronto Raptors
I am not kidding, that was the extent of it.
2.1 – Story front page of AJC paper: Jason Haywood trying to re-doscover himself for Braves (even off-season has not yet started!!!!). And then more inside the paper: Story about Chippoer Jones trying to decide about year 2103
Hawks coverage on 2/1: AP story that can be found on ESPN and CNN sites
I complained, but I don’t think I want to complain again. I like AJC overall, and like my delivery boy who gets me the paper at 4am every day!!!! Still the Hawks coverage is a joke. A big joke. Embrassment is more like it, for a sport that is probably more appealing to generation x and y across the board in the country and growing than baseball, but here we are…..
Not sure if the Chipper in year 2103 was mistyped, or intentional
But it’s funny for truth. Chipper is the ageless wonder.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Genuinely I think MC does a great job
but in this instance they aren’t allowing him to do his job which is my complaint.
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I must not know what Elite is...
Top 5 in defensive efficiency
Top 10 in offensive efficiency
16-6
8-5 on the road
8-1 at home
2nd in the NBA in point Diff.
Sounds like Elite to me…
Shhhh...
….maybe nobody will believe it until we’re in the conference finals.
by Jason Walker on Jan 31, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
ha yeah
best bench I have seen since watching the hawks, we have a legit pg that we have been missing for the last decade and Marvin this year is like having a new starter at pf…………..
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
I'm not believing
til we’re playing great teams and doing these things consistently. When you’ve won 13 games against sub .500 teams – I can only give credit for taking care of the business you’re supposed to. And that’s good, but it’s not really worth claiming elite status…
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 1, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
This is why terms like "elite" are stupid.
Just a meaningless buzzword used to fill 5 minutes on lazy network shows.
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True
it’s why I’m saying to the fellow fans – be excited about what you’ve seen so far, but don’t get too jazzed up yet – the Hawks still have much to prove to US, forget the media and other teams. I promise you the Thunder, Heat, Bulls are still not losing sleep over us. We think they do, we want them to, but honestly – they aren’t pressed about us. We have to beat the best teams and beat them soundly and regularly and then, step back and say – we are here to stay. You can’t let the Bulls win a game you dominate or the Heat win a game without even their best players and then lose to other good teams and say – we’re elite. Just doesn’t work that way. Last I checked, they are dominating the exact same teams we are.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 1, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
These are not Woody's Hawks...
Coaches around the league know the difference in this team. They know the difference between Teague and Bibby/Jamal and what that difference has made in our defense…If you don’t think their coaches will be worried if we get Al back, I think your crazy.
Everything the Hawks do WELL, you discount…Everything the do BAD, you magnify…Why?
We beat the Bulls by 30pts on our floor, but the loss by 2pts on their floor is worse.
We beat the Heat on their floor at full strength, but lose a let down game and that nullifies the 1st win.
Stop finding all the flaws in this team and realize that this team is different….Woody is gone.
Well...
we’ll just disagree on a few things like – I’ve discussed ad nauseum of the difference that Teague makes for this team and I have discussed lots of what we are doing well this year, but they also are things that we haven’t done for any sustained amount of time (20 games isn’t a sustained amount of time to me). The bad things we’ve done – we’ve done for YEARS, so I need to see it for a longer amount of time to give full credit. Now, to be clear, I don’t magnify anything. I tell it like it is. So, yes – it’s worse to lose a game you DOMINATE by 2 pts than it is to win a game that that same team gives up on you beat them so bad. Same thing for the Heat – yes, it’s much more of a psychological issue to me to lose a game because you lose focus when people aren’t even playing.
Doesn’t nullify anything – it does mean that that’s something that might be a problem come the playoffs. LeBron is the greatest player in the game and guess what – those last 5 minutes are a problem for him right now. Doesn’t make him less great, but it does mean that it can’t be overlooked. I don’t overlook the problems we’ll see in May because we’re 16-6. I’m thrilled we are 16-6, but I’m not gonna sit here and act like Larry Drew is a good coach. I have watched too much evidence that says Larry Drew is terrible. The only thing I’m giving him credit for is – eliminating the switching defense. that’s it, but he’s still doing the same dumb things that Woody did. He’s got to win a 2nd round series to make me forget that he watched Bibby and Teague and decided – hmmm, let’s go with Bibby. That he watched Zaza and said – hmmm, let’s play Jason Collins. Sorry, not buying the Drew makes me feel better about not having Woody…they both are bad..
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 1, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think the difference between us...
You think the Heat and Bulls are better, than I think they are….I think the difference between the teams in the east is very small.
The Hawks had 6 years of TERRIBLE coaching and it has taken some time to reverse that BAD, BAD, BAD coaching, but the improvement are starting to show(We aren’t completely changed, yet). LD has made some mistakes(Bibby, Collins), but he is learning, while still improving this team.(2nd Yr coach)
The difference between the Hawks and the “Elite Teams” is consistant effort, bench and coaching……We now have all 3(IMHO)
Well, you'd be wrong
I don’t think there is a chasm of difference btw us and the other guys during the regular season, but come playoff time – I think it’s night and day. There are guys with better coaches, experience, titles, etc and we have none of that. And we actually don’t need any of that if I didn’t believe that we have a core that has quit in 3 postseasons when things got tough. Not once, not twice, but THREE times.
As for Drew, sorry, but he was on that bench the entire time Woody was there, so he was part of the terrible coaching and he’s continued the terrible coaching. There’s nothing he’s reversing..he’s not doing anything, but playing with better players, but tactically you’re not telling me that he is doing something different. Woody would be doing the same thing. In fact, he might have started Teague last year. He said in his post-season press conf that he would have to start Teague last year – those were his last words. Now, I learned to never listen to Woody because he lied about things a lot, but since Drew followed suit (the infamous post Portland game – I’ve always believed in Teague comment only to follow it up with a DNP two games later) – I’m not giving him credit. So, you are correct – we disagree on what separates the best teams and I’d say that it’s probably good to hold off on the consistent effort until we hit a tougher stretch than we’ve hit. We still aren’t beating good teams, so you can have effort – I want execution and I’m absolutely going to need some significant improvement to believe we have coaching. Coaching is the reason the team isn’t 18-4 (IMHO), so if the coach loses you two – and those two happen in the postseason – you’re going home.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Marvin Williams defense on Derozan was outstanding tonight
completely took him out of the game, Also whats with Marvin missing chippy’s but hitting three’s?
And its a nice thing to have to be able to trot out the bench starred by Tracy McGrady and Kirk Heinrich to ice a basketball game.
our bench is amazing
no longer do we have to kill ourselves watching players like Solomon jones and Mario west. our worst players on the bench is Collins and Pargo, and I think that itself speaks tons of what we had to deal with the last couple years
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
You do realize
that that’s Marvin’s M.O. He’s the most non-finishing small forward in the history of the game. Love his new aggressiveness and 3pt ability, but that dude does not have touch around the rim.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 1, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
It’s just odd because he can finish with both hands in traffic, but every now and again when he has a easy putback he flubs it
by Jonesy24 on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Now it is litmus test February
The 4 game home stand gives us 2nd shots at 2 up and coming teams that we lost to on the road (Sixers and Pacers). Then we have a Friday trip to Orlando followed by Miami on Sunday at home. Then comes the real road trip from hell. Lakers, Suns the next night, then travel day, Blazers, travel day, Bulls, travel day, Knicks, and then Orlando at home the next night before the All-Star break. After those 12 games if we’re still in a position to talk about “elite” status then I think most of us will be happy with the team.
Isn't it kind of funny
How after every good stretch of basketball we look at the next stretch as a test? I am not picking on you because you are clearly right. The schedule picks up significantly in February. From my view point, this Hawks team is playing as consistent as any team in the league.
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THIS
add Josh to that four game of suck-ness stretch. And I would say that it’s good. The Hawks need to see that all cylinders don’t need to hit to win while working on ways to get all cylinders to hit. My new hope is that with real PGs – we just might stop passing Josh the ball on the perimeter because it’s clear that he’s not going to stop shooting them on his own…EVER. As for Kirk, we need to showcase him to determine what the market is for his services come trade deadline time.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 1, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
The most disappointing part of Smith's stretch is that it only confirms in my mind he should be used exclusively as a 2 man game pick and roll player.
Yet we are the only team that does not regularly run it for our supposed “high flyer”. Its ridiculous how easy he scores on it some times. And I think the problem is Drew’s offense does not allow that particular play.
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Josh Smith * Troy Murphy * Al Horford *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}
by PointGuardSlim on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
I’ve been saying the same thing all season too.
With Teague and Josh, the Hawks should be a pick and roll nightmare!
Bad. Coaching.
I hear ya, but let's face it....
ASG is not likely to do anything to significantly improve this roster.
So any improvement must come from within.
Hawks have gotten to this 16-6 record largely by beating up on a bunch of the league’s bottom feeders, despite not playing to an obvious strength.
Winning while beating up on bottom feeders is cool, but beating better teams will require that the Hawks play to their strengths more often.
A Teague/Smith pick and roll is definitely an underutilized and obvious strength that needs to be used more.
That reflects on Larry. It’s his job to put players in position to have the most success.
Josh Smith popping out for a 22.5 ft jumper instead of rolling to the hoop after setting a pick is not putting him in position to have the most success.
I’m just sayin the Hawks are good, I like a lot of what they are doing, but there is definitely room to get better. And much of that room lies in the coaches hands to juice these players for ALL they are worth by putting them in positions where there strengths can be maximized.
How do we know this is a strength if they have never used it
I give this staff more credit than most because they are on the inside and see things that we don’t. It might look one way to us but could be completely different if we could see the practices. I don’t necessarily know that the pick and roll would be a strength just because it looks like Josh could do the things that Blake Griffin does.
As far as the schedule goes, you play who you are scheduled. It is a heck of a lot better to be 16-6 than 12-10 and this team has shown in the past that they would mail in a few games along the way. That hasn’t happened so much this season. In fact according to mysynergy.com Atlanta has used 12percent of its possessions in pick and rolls where either the handler kept it or the roll man received the pass. That doesn’t seem like a lot until you see the other breakdowns.
According to mysynergy.com
Spot Up – 23.9%
Transition -15.1%
Isolation – 12.7%
Pick and Roll – 12.5%
That is pretty much on par. Chicago for example uses 17.4% of its possessions on pick and rolls.
Armchair coaching is part of any sport and you need only visit any other blog on this network to see the same sort of thing going on with every other team. In most cases when a team loses it is the coaches fault and when that team wins the players overcame bad coaching. That is what you are describing.
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Agree
but is it possible to have mediocre coaching (I’m not gonna say bad) and be 16-6 esp. with 13 of those games being against bad teams…
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 1, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not too concerned
About Josh smiths play, his touch around the rim has failed him these past games. Should go back and use the RH more to open up his left hand
by Jonesy24 on Feb 1, 2012 1:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It is also possible to be 12-10 with good coaching
Who is freaking good coach in this league? Tell me and I will pick them apart?
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sure
I thought youd’ never ask. I’ll provide coaches and I’ll provide my point more succinctly
Coaches – Pop, Collins, Rivers, Thibs, Adelman, Carlisle, Karl and in a second tier – Brooks, Vogel,Hollins, and Spolestra (need to see more in the postseason to truly elevate them. That’s 11 coaches in a league where I only think there are about 12-14 above average teams in the league. So, here’s the point – Pop’s team was 12-9 before their recent 3 game win streak. So, at the 21 game point – the Hawks are 15-6. Are the Hawks better than the Spurs? From a personnel perspective I would say yes…but in a 7 game series who am I more concerned about…the Hawks and much of that has to do with the fact that in addition to the things the coach can’t help on the playing side such as playoff experience and execution – I do believe that about 15% of the games the coach’s decisions matter.
So, I’ve already had the debate with you about the 2 games we lost I absolutely thought Drew could have affected positively (the Bulls mostly, but the Heat game too). There were 5 other games we just weren’t going to win – team didn’t play bad, nothing Drew could have done. So, when I look at our 7 losses, in 2 of them – the coach made decisions to win the game…Thibs decided to keep his Deng and Rose in the entire 2nd half because he realized the bench didn’t have it. And he won the game due to that decision. If he sits Rose and Deng for even 2-3 minutes, they lose that game. Same for the Spurs – 2 minutes into the 2nd half – Pop BENCHES the entire starting 5 except Duncan and pretty much rides them to victory. It’s arguable whether they win or not, but the point was pretty clear – hey, starting 5 you didn’t come to play out of the locker room and since you don’t want to play – I got some guys over here who do..so 1) I don’t play not coming to play and 2) we can win without you. How refreshing a coaching decision. What team could use a kick in the a$$ like that when it comes to coming out in the 2nd half flat? It’s one thing to talk about it to the AJC – it’s another to see something and do osomething about it. Too often Drew is not doing anything about it.
So, go ahead and pick apart the coaches that I think are good and while I’m sure you will find some flaws – I just hope we’re not doing one of those things where we try to say oh, you think LeBron is good, but he can’t hit free throws in the clutch. B/c I’ll concede flaws while saying but he’s still the best player in the NBA. Flaws don’t equate to bad. My reasoning for believing Drew is just bad to mediocre run deep and it’s going to take more than us beating bad to mediocre teams for the first part of this season to overcome that. I mean we are talking about the guy who starts Collins and let Teague sit on the bench for an entire season. If that’s the behind the scenes that you think we need to just give the benefit of the doubt, I’m just going to have to disagree. So, to sum up, my stance is always – owner, mgmt, coach, then players. That’s how I assess blame and right now…Sund and Drew are still on the clock…
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Feb 3, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Imho we can play with anyone in this league….especially in the east….why doubt the hawks?!we beat the deer at the beginning of the trip and the heat (Americas Team) loses to them (AFTER leading the majority of the game)…My point is that our Strength is usually better than the opposition’s weakness (see teague’s/jennings abuse of charmlers)or JJ vs Deng (Atl)….@16-6…can’t find ALOT of reasons to complain….I mean we could be Orlando right now lol.
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by I am usually right except when... on Feb 2, 2012 12:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
except this
why is everyone thinking that we haven’t been able to play with anyone for the past 3 years. That’s the reason to doubt the Hawks – let’s let them get some adversity and see how they handle it before we get giddy..
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