NBA Trade Rumors: Chris Kaman And The Atlanta Hawks
First, over the weekend, there was Bret at Hoopinion, who laid out a Top Seven Reasons Why The Hawks Won't Trade For Chris Kaman, which includes a punchline at the end that nobody wants to hear anymore, but isn't any less true today than the first time it was mentioned:
3) Chris Kaman has been good and healthy exactly once in the last four seasons. A better record than Jerry Stackhouse or Jason Collins...maybe this isn't the best example. However, I doubt present-day Chris Kaman will or should be the guy for whom the Hawks go over the tax line.
Bret was not alone in taking the topic on -- NBA.com's David Aldridge, in his epic Morning Tip, placed the ATL in the "Would Make Sense" pile of teams:
Atlanta: With Al Horford out for the season the Hawks need someone in the middle, and Kaman would certainly help. But New Orleans would have to take at least some salary back -- like Zaza Pachulia, who has a year left on his deal -- or, maybe, Marvin Williams, along with an expiring contract like Kirk Hinrich's and Atlanta's first-round pick -- which wouldn't be that good, given the Hawks' likelihood to be in the playoffs. But the Hawks have been reluctant to get anywhere near the luxury tax, and unless they were just renting Kaman for the rest of this season, it would be hard to re-sign him and avoid exceeding the threshold next year.
Finally, Zach Lowe on SI's Point Forward discusses the Hawks' chances among a dozen or so teams in the piece:
Alas, there are huge obstacles. The tax-phobic Hawks are right at the threshold now, meaning they'd have to send out just about 100 percent of Kaman's salary, or more, in order to avoid moving up too far to duck back under via waiving players on non-guaranteed deals. That would mean including Marvin Williams and/or Kirk Hinrich (on an expiring contract) in any Kaman deal, and though Williams is playing better than ever, it's hard to see how either has much value to the Hornets. A third team might be necessary.
Exit Question: What say you? Interested in a Kaman deal or not interested considering the associated costs?
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Of-course we are interested in Kaman
Would a man dying of thirst in desert pass on water?
Would a man sentenced to prison for life pass on J-Lo?
Would Hawks fans being sentenced to lifetime of Zaza/Collins pass on a live seven footer?
So now that we establish the interest level exists, the tough question is what do we give up?
I say we don’t trade Zaza. Even though most people know me as someone not necessarily loving of Zaza (I still have nightmares every time he fumbles going up for a shot inside, drops a Teague pass or otherwise sky jumps exactly half an inch on a good sunny Georgian day), I still see value in him (see the flip-flop!!!) and I have gotten used to his fumbling ways (see what repetition does to good judgement). He is tough, he likes to foul, and he is not afraid to go inside (a precious commodity with current crop of Hawks big men). And if we trade Zaza, then we got no backups again.
So then who do we give up? I say we certainly trade Kirk and his contract.
What if that is not enough???
Then it is a very tough decision. Do we give up Marvin? While I have every confidence that Marvin will revert back to stealth mode in exactly one game, I still see value in him. He does like to show up against weaker opposition, and seems like he is getting back to having 2-3 good games every 10 games as opposed to one good game every 10.
So then I say, go and do everything possible by trading Captain Kirk, and may be a round 2 draft pick and perhaps some cash, and let’s get the center we need.
Here is the simple question for me
Does acquiring Chris Kaman put the Hawks in position to reach the ECF after you factor in what the team will lose to acquire him?
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If the price is trading Kirk
The answer is an emphatic YES
Remember the window for these Hawks is 2 years. We don’t know what happens end of next year with Smoove contract negotiations. If we lose Smoove, all bets are off. So have to make a move now.
I think it is going to take much more than Kirk to land Kaman
In fact I know it will because the salaries aren’t close to matching.
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Only if
the hard answer is – if it’s only Kirk and maybe a bench player (V-Rad, Stackhouse) plus a draft pick (2nd round), then I’m down…otherwise, no – it’s not a good idea. You’d have to accept some luxury tax to do that.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 31, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would take Kaman for Kirk
but right now Marvin is untouchable in my opinion. He’s finally playing much better and has become a better three point scoring threat. He’s had to carry our team at the beginning of the games in a lot of games this year.
I would rather trade Kirk to the Lakers for...
Josh McRoberts or Re-sign Keith Benson…We need an active shot blocker.
Kamen Makes 14mil a year and hasn’t been on a winning team EVER!
This is called “out of town STUPID”…overvaluing another mans trash!
05-06 the Clips were a playoff team.
Vlad Rad was on that team as well.
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We won't be doing a Kaman for Hinrich deal
That would make the Hawks go over the Tax Threshold and we just wouldn’t think about doing that. The only way that would work is if they send about $4 million in Cash Considerations along with Kaman which seems even more unlikely.
Again, what the hell is the infatuation with a 7’0 guy who would be more than likely injured during playoffs time? This is a freaking rental to boot. Build off the success the players have now especially when you take into account how difficult it will be to achieve the same type of chemistry if Kaman does come over. People, we saw what happens when you mess up chemistry when Boston traded Kendrick Perkins for Jeff Green. Yeah, it sounds good ole’ fantasy on paper but reality doesn’t work that way.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 31, 2012 9:46 AM EST reply actions
Kaman is an upgrade over what the Hawks have at center
Problem is, if you give up Zaza to get him, you are still left with the same problem of Collins and Ivan playing all the backup center minutes.
The Hawks’ center problem has more to do with depth than quality. Zaza is not a great starting option but he is serviceable. The problem is that if/when he gets into foul trouble, the Hawks are screwed.
Better to keep Zaza and acquire a big man some other way, like trading Kirk.
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You won't get a starter in return for Kirk
That much is almost positive. Along with the restrictions of trying to keep ourselves above the Tax Threshold. It’s good a theory, but the outcome of us receiving anything above the ability of Zaza is hard to imagine
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 31, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
But the outcome of receiving someone who is a significant upgrade over Collins is almost certain, and the outcome of receiving someone who can produce around the same level as Zaza is very possible. That’s really all the Hawks need. They can’t go into the playoffs with Zaza the only serviceable center on the roster.
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by NajehDavenpoop on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I am conflicted.
I really do think he could help us out and would upgrade the center position for us. The main issues I see are:
1. He can’t stay healthy.
2. What we have seems to be working pretty well.
3. Our management and ownership doesn’t have the balls.
What is very odd is how the Hornets are certainly driving the price down by benching him. Just an odd set of circumstances. Could be a gamble, but sometimes you have to.
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so if we get rid of marvin wouldnt we have a hole at sf?
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
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the bench will still have t-mac,vlad, zaza , green , johnson (ivan) and twin ….50/50 on the trade….on d we would have 2 go zone 95% of the time.
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by I am usually right except when... on Jan 31, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
pargo at sg???????
you just helped solidify the argument, this deal DEFINITELY does NOT need to go down
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
We need length but . . .
I have to be turned down by Kenyon Martin as a free agent first because he wouldn’t cost us players just money to think about Kaman. After that I look at what the trade would cost in personnel. Hinrich is playing well in return but we’re deeper there, so fine. I doubt that New Orleans wants Marvin or anyone else does because of his contract. He’s playing better but just watch him try to convert at the hole in traffic and you understand why he wouldn’t be coveted. So we’re left with giving up Zaza. The problem with doing that is to that we’ve not improved our depth but rather upgraded Zaza to Kaman. If healthy it could work out, but if not as is his history then we’re trying to make a run with major minutes for Collins at C or Ivan Johnson at C or Josh Smith at C. Big risk, but is there enough potential reward.
The biggest drawback in my eyes in the pick. This is a very deep draft and regardless of how low the Hawks pick is there should be length available to develop. I’m talking someone like Festus Ezeli, Fab Melo, Tyler Zeller, Robert Sacre or Mason Plumlee. With our extra 2nd rounder we might be able to score 2 of these bigs. I’m not willing to give up a pick that could legitimately get us a serviceable center or at worst a replacement for Zaza on the cheap for next 4 years to rent a few months of Chris Kaman and hope he doesn’t get hurt.
The other problem for me is the schedule. As much as we could use length in the lineup defensively there isn’t enough integration time to get the most out of a Kaman acquisition. There won’t be the practice time available to expand the offense to incorporate his strengths. Without time to adjust to him he’d likely be used either like Al or Zaza on offense. Maybe I’m wrong about this point and the Hawks would be able to integrate a play or two they could use with Kaman on the block, but the schedule is bound to minimize what they can put in.
I don't think Kaman gets traded honestly.
There are really not any teams that are one piece or one big man away from contending that also have the pieces to send to NO. The price is just too high for most teams. That’s why Boston is hoping that he gets bought out, so that they could get him for the vet minimum. I floated the idea of Horford for Kaman. I am 50/50 on that. Al could be back for for some regular season games and be ready for the playoffs and it would be a gamble by parting with a major piece of the core for a rental. And even with the extra cap space in the summer, Dwight doesn’t seem to have Atlanta on his radar.
For clarification
You would want the Hawks to trade Horford for Kamen and then pursue Howard in the off-season?
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Yes... that is correct.
But that situation is iffy right now. We don’t know if Howard would get traded by the trade deadline and he seems to be skipping over his hometown. But there is also the possibility that this could be a good fit for Kaman and if we lose out on Dwight, the Hawks could re-sign Kaman for less money than Al which would be good for when we would have to give Smoove another contract. Ultimately though, the move is to make a run a Howard.
ok so its not just me
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
If they can't find a taker he could possibly force a buy out.
I doubt he and his agent are alright sitting out the season
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Us and many more teams
Boston has already said that they are interested if he secures a buy out. A lot of teams that can’t work a trade because of the cap will be interested if he is a free agent
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Not happening
for all the reasons already mentioned. The hawks are not that desparate to kill their depth for………..what?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
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by I am usually right except when... on Jan 31, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
its his presence….creates difficult matchups for philadelphia, new york ,
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by I am usually right except when... on Jan 31, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Kaman
would scare the women and children away from Philips
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 31, 2012 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Kaman is not a possibilty here. I'd like Gasol though
Just seen this trade on ESPN:
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Atlanta Hawks
Needs: The Hawks have been built around a core of inefficient “almost stars”. One high-volume shooter is great when the offense breaks down, but too many get you stuck in an isolation-heavy offense. Atlanta needs an efficient star to pair with Joe Johnson.
The trade: Smith, Teague and 2012 first-round pick to the Lakers for Pau Gasol
A possible alternative here is Amare Stoudemire, in part because Smith and Carmelo Anthony deserve each other.
Note: For this trade to work, Atlanta would need to throw in a little more salary from its bench, which will free up March 1.
At 1 st I said no way. Then I looked at it as if our current healthy 5 vs the 5 after the trade for Gasol and I said do it. Although I would be hesitant to part w/ the 1 st round pick. But since the Hawks aren’t going that route, Istill think Kirk should be traded as close to the trade deadline as possible,which may drive up his value slighty and Hawks management should see what we could get for Josh since I highly doubt they are trading Horford and may be unable to resign Josh at the end of next season.
by xavip on Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I am not giving up Teague...
I have waited ten years for a PG and I not giving him away for a soft Euro.
HA
This doesn’t even warrent a response….but im so bugged by it I can’t resist.
I bet any sum of any substance of significant value that this trade will never happen. In fact, I will win the lottery, get struck by lightening, and mauled by a cheetah simultaneously before this deal happens!
that is significant overvalue for a player known to be soft. I mean seriously, our young talented pg of the future, j smoove AND a 1st rounder…wtf?
So next year when kirks contact expires you would feel comfortable with pargo leading the way, and no one left to back him up?
I thought smith and kirk was too much for him, I dont know where the hell u heard this load of garbage, but do us all a favor and don’t post it here…reading that has ruined my night.
by bravesfanldh on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
trade Teague?!!??!?!?!
Blasphemy, I sat through countless hawks games begging God that we could get a pg like every other team has in the nba that can play defense and cut tot he basket. Not only can teague do this but he is one of the fastest and athletic in the nba plus learning from this year he can hit a 3. Gotta go look at Jeff Teague highlights just to get this thought out of my head
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
People talk about Kaman being an upgrade at the center position defensively
Since when has Kaman been known as decent defensive player in his career?
Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel
If it ain't broke....
@ throw (lmao at your comment/reply)…what if we stood pat??…..i mean we aren’t bad and which team in the east doesn’t have a chink in the armor? If we do make a deal….it should be with LAL….Gasol for Heinrich straight up.
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by I am usually right except when... on Jan 31, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Trade for Kayman. Then next year you can package him and Horford for Howard. Orlando would get a center and power forword.
by Noneckmf83 on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 PM EST via Android app reply actions

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