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Hawks vs. Pistons Final Score: Atlanta Hawks 107, Detroit Pistons 101

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Quick Thought: The Hawks Tebowed the Pistons.

Deep(er) Thoughts:

Up to every point of the game until Joe Johnson hit a fall-away three pointer that would send the game to overtime, the Hawks were outworked, outhustled and outplayed by the Detroit Pistons. It was as if the Hawks saw the Pistons on DVD, knew they were not a particularly strong team, and proceeded to play down to that level and settle in there.

Even when the Pistons frontcourt worked over the tired remains of Jason Collins, the Hawks didn’t perk up. Not even when the Pistons lead seemed to hover between seven and 10 points did it seem to grab the Hawks attention. They played as if they had never ever seen each other before, staggering around the offensive end, losing players on the defensive end, and looking generally sloppy overall.

Jeff Teague showed why the attacking aspect of his game is so critical. Teague attempted one shot in the first half with the offensive gameplan seeming to be handoffs early in the shot clock and then the Hawks look around with the ball before hoisting long, contested jump shots. Even when that plan didn’t work, the Hawks never investigated a drive and dish approach, as Teague continued to occupy floor space without using his primary weapon.

Teague played poorly, not showing the defensive acumen we’d seen in previous games and carelessly flipping the ball around when passing, accumulating three turnovers to go with his three assists. Teague’s drive to the cup in the third quarter (finally!) yielded points, but an rolled ankle as well. Given the fresh option of Kirk Hinrich to run the point and Teague’s poor play to that point, Larry Drew was hip to rest Teague and give Hinrich the reins.

The Hawks turned the ball over eight times in the 12 minutes of the first quarter, and eight more in the 41 minutes that followed. That helped, but they were still getting skewered by the Piston front court, who took advantage of some lenient officiating inside (for both teams) and pounded the Hawks.

Jonas Jerebko, Jason Maxiell and Greg Monroe combined for 53 points and 11 offensive rebounds. Larry Drew overreacted to a dunk play by Ben Wallace and inserted Jason Collins in the game to defend. Collins, who showed in Philadelphia that he no longer even rebounds well or catches the ball consistently when it falls down to him, didn’t help stop the Pistons and may have even hurt the Hawks by keeping Zaza Pachulia out of the game.

The Hawks, for all the struggles in the game, kept on after it, and eventually the Pistons let the Hawks back into the game. They inexplicably left Marvin Williams open for a three late, the missed their last shot and then failed to double team or foul the only threat the Hawks had on the court to tie the game in isolation, Joe Johnson. Joe even held the ball and dribbled across the top of the key, almost inviting a foul though the Hawks were down three at the time. Alas, Joe was able to rise up and hit that fall-away three that sent the Pistons packing for the game, even though there would be overtime.

In overtime, the Hawks hit first --- and then second --- and then third. For a change it was the ATL that was unstoppable in overtime, getting out early and hitting free throws down the stretch to seal the game.

The Hawks scored more points in the last six minutes of this game (26) than they did in the first 17 minutes of the game.

Game Balls:

Without Teague to take it down the lane, Joe Johnson took over. He stopped settling for the long jump shots he exclusively clung to in the first half, where he went 1-9 from the field, he made an effort to loosen things up by attacking and found he had some room for pull-ups after converting a few. He was hot in the third quarter when few Hawks were even warmer than ice and scored 28 of his game-high 30 points after halftime. After that dreadful shooting start, he was 10-14 in the second half/overtime.

The only other Hawk hotter than Johnson from long range was Marvin Williams. Scoring 22 points on 9 shots and hitting 5-6 from three point territory, Williams hit them when the counted. He added eight rebounds and 5-8 from the line as well. Defensively, he found himself matched up on Rodney Stuckey a few times as Stuckey struggled on a 4-13 shooting night.

Josh Smith joined Joe Johnson in playing the entire 29 minutes after halftime. Smith wasn’t at the very best of his game, but he chipped away at it and hustled his way to a 19 point, 11 rebounds, eight assist and three blocked shot night. He gave away weight to Maxiell and Monroe, but he kept at it and also made a couple more key free throws in the fourth quarter.

Afterthoughts:

After Teague’s injury, Hinrich played the rest of the game (~21 minutes) at the point, collecting nine assists and hitting a big three in the fourth quarter as well.

Tracy McGrady was enjoying his return to Detroit and played well, scoring seven points and grabbing five boards to go with three assists, but Williams was hotter for sure and he got the overtime minutes.

Teague was cleared to return to the game but, as mentioned before, Drew may have decided the risk of playing him and the fact he wasn’t playing well that night anyway probably anchored Teague to the bench, though one wonders if anyone knew if Hinrich could handle playing that many minutes so early back from injury.

Zaza was 8-12 for the game and dunked three times. I swear, he wasn’t even looking for contact on any of those. I know, I was surprised, too – though he did look sad afterwards.

Final Thought:

Atlanta has always beaten the teams they "should have" this season and, even with so many things off Friday night, they pulled it out anyway. Much needed as they are in the middle of this weird North-South road trip. It’s fun to have been the team that comes back and steals the win. Just like when Miami took it from Atlanta though being down four with 12 second left, this time Atlanta got to be that team. Whew.

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Joe freakin Johnson!

summed up pretty much everything. I think Collins being in there and Zaza getting rest had as much to do with the hawks getting back in the game as anything. Collins did have the second highest defensive rating and the highest ORB%.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

And before anyone says anything

I’m not vouching for more Jason Collins time but, looking at the game objectively, it was clear Pachulia was struggling and the game was getting out of hand,then Pachulia came in and played with some heart.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Huh

Zaza was struggling? Really? I’m looking at the game now and I’m looking at his stat line and I’m not sure what struggle means to you. I did watch us come back, but I watched it happen in spite of Collins, certainly not because of it. I didn’t watch him do anything approaching basketball skill. And even if Zaza is struggling, I’m going to take struggling Zaza OR any other player not named Stackhouse as an answer to the question if Collins is the other option. I still haven’t figured out why we can’t just go small ball for those spurts when Zaza needs a blow.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 28, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

for the time they were both on the floor for the game

they were still getting dominated. But when Zaza was first on the floor they were losing and LD yanked him and like I said, it was CLEAR why Collins was starting all those games. Now I know the MO around here is for Collins to be the punchline to every joke, but I was being clearly objective and Zaza was getting burnt. Collins proved why he can’t play but 12 or 15 good minutes because after that the you’re taking a big risk. I’m not knocking Zaza’s performance in the fourth and overtime, but in the beginning nobody on here is going to convince me that Zaza was a world-beater.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 29, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

I’m not saying he’s a world beater by any stretch. Zaza is a very good BACKUP center. Would I want to go to war with him as my regular starting center and feel like we’re going to win a title? No, but I’m going to just completely and totally disagree with any thought that Jason Collins is the answer to any question for the Atlanta Hawks. So, if you’re being objective, I’d say yes – Zaza can struggle, but he has enough talent to be the answer more than a complete liability. Jason Collins at his BEST is a complete liability on offense and only a post defender on defense. So, let’s put it in context – I don’t think it’s fair to use a stretch where Zaza is stuggling to make an argument that he shouldn’t start. If that’s the case, then Joe Johnson shouldn’t have started 2 of the last 3 games and we should play Willie Green instead since Willie Green was so hot and Joe was so not for the 2 of the last 3 first halves. Anyway, you know and I know that Zaza is a superior basketball player than Collins in the way that Joe is much better than Green, so I’m not sure what your point was. If you are extrapolating a stretch where Zaza didn’t play well to mean he can’t start – that’s a stretch I’m not willing to make. That litmus test doesn’t hold when Josh plays bad, when Teague plays bad and it’s not going to hold when Zaza does. His performance in the 4th and OT should be enough to say – hmmm, could Collins ever do any of that. And I mean any – like does he have ANY reason playing for a top 4 seeded team. No, he doesn’t…there’s not a player that I can think of in the top 25% of the league that has a worst player (not just center) – PLAYER that possibly could get burn. That’s how bad Jason Collins is – it’s just a testament to the rest of the team that he’s not exploited more during the games he’s in. So, yes – Collins is the punchline to the joke because he’s that bad. There is a reason he goes from a few minutes to DNPs regularly. It’s because he sucks. Plain and simple.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 29, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

whoa

like comparing Zaza to Joe is even a fair comparison. Like I said over a thousand times, I’m not debating Zaza being a better player than Collins. I’m pointing out why he hardly ever starts, it’s because he played softer than cottonelle tissue in the beginning of games for some reason.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 29, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

well

I was only making an analogy, but we’ll just disagree regarding Zaza and his play. I’m going to go with the guy who is putting up 10 and 8 and is shooting 62.5% and if that means that he’s soft at the beginning of the game – I’ll take that over anything Collins brings (not that I agree with that, but if I was buying that as true – I’d still take that over Collins at his best). So, if you want to debate him starting – I can go with that as long as Collins isn’t the player you are looking to replace him. That’s just simply a non-starter for me. If you want to start small or something else, I’d entertain that, but Collins hasn’t done anything this season. Simply nothing to warrant this discussion…

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 30, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

SSS on the defensive rating

or its just flat out wrong because its not accounting for his awful pick and roll defense, and his lack of defensive rebounding. I kid you not he literally boxed Maxiel out while the ball was rolling past him where Greg Monroe ended up picking the ball up and scoring

And to the ORB%, he had two, and i’ve actually remember the plays, one was where Kirk Heinrich shot the airest of airballs,and it fell to Collins hands, where he proceeded to get his putback blocked, by gravity, and then a Detroit player. The other was a vulture tap in that stole 2 points away from Marvin Williams.

Please do not kid yourself, the Jason Collins effect, like the Mike Bibby effect, is real. It involves a ton of offensive rebounds for the other team, switches, and general disgust by the other players to roll over once they see there is no hope when hes on the court. Expect opponents to go on runs as they will play 4 on 5 basketball on defense and 6 on 5 basketball on offense due to Jason Collins unique ability of getting in his teammates way…

by Jonesy24 on Jan 28, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I noticed the Hawks were coming back when Marvin Williams came on the floor

Jason Collins was the biggest reason why the Pistons had an 8 point lead in the fourth quarter

by Jonesy24 on Jan 28, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Best quick thought title of the year!!!!

Definitely T-bone was our inspiration.
Well we win another one, but I am still not sure how we did it. We certainly did not deserve this game, but I gladly take it.

Smoove and Krik were exhausted near the end. When Smoove gets tired, he start throwing jumpers out there. Kirk was bent and had hands on his knees. When Zaza gets tired, he just hits people. As for JJ, I never know when he is tired or fresh or upset or happy or …

Any way, we win the game. But this is now getting too close for comfort. How many of these have we won? Bobcats? Wolves? Deer? Now this one. I happily take it and glad I am not an Orlando Magic fan this morning.

We desperately need help on the front court, we are getting killed by other team’s big men and Feb is looming

by ATLpaul on Jan 28, 2012 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

^YUP!

FORGET K-mart!!! Marc Stein says Hornets are trying to get rid of Kaman because “THEY WANT TO PLAY THEIR YOUNG BIGS AND HAVE NO MINUTES FOR HIM” O_o!!!!!!!!
GET KAMAN NOW!!!!!!!!!!

by Don Von on Jan 28, 2012 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

hornets better amnesty him

not a lot of teams want an ok center getting around 13 to 14 mil

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

There was an amnesty deadline and they missed it.

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Josh Smith * Rasheed Wallace * Al Horford *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* {#40 Pick Perimeter F Jon Leuer is better than Marvin Williams and Hinrich cost us the pick}

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 28, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah can't amnesty him now

That price tag is steep and they are rumored to be asking for a fortune in return

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by Kris Willis on Jan 28, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent point.

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by Duff_Man on Jan 28, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I am rewatching the 2nd half right now

One-Tracy McGrady was getting hacked, but if he would start playing like a 32 year old NBA player, instead of one of those old farts at the court who yell foul every-time they fall, he would actually get these calls

two-Josh Smith gets a triple double if Tracy and Jason Collins could jump. This saddend fantasy basketball enthusiast everywhere, who could have used the bonus points

by Jonesy24 on Jan 28, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Want to feel the opposite of pride?

Feel like you have to go back and recap your game thread posts because the 12% beer you drank during the game erased your memories of it.

My world: Welcome to it.

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by Duff_Man on Jan 28, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

must have been some good stuff duff

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Hoppin' Frog D.O.R.I.S.

Regularly comes in at 10.5% but age it a year and the ABV goes up a few ticks. A phenomenal beer.

PS: If anyone here uses Untappd, my name is “Edwin”.

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by Duff_Man on Jan 28, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

D.O.R.I.S. the Destroyer

I’ve honestly never heard of that one. Looked for whoever sales this in GA and I got Carlaken wholesale LLC….on the front web page is the quote:

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
Ben Franklin

too funny

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 28, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Highly recommended.

They are on par with Terrapin (Athens, GA)…if you can get some Terrapin, I also recommend them as well. Fantastic beers. Wake N Bake is awesome!

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by Duff_Man on Jan 28, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

12%??

That’s taking it up a notch on the Carlsberg Elephant – only 9%. At 12%, you’d have 6 beers and think you’re indestructible.

Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel

by Nique Fan on Jan 28, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy Crap i just watched the replay

and I still dont believe it

Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.

by Throw on Jan 28, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Kaman

Any chance the Hawks could put together a deal for Kaman? There is a gaping hole in the middle of ATL’s defense. Even slightly above avg centers like Monroe can just abuse the Hawks. And Horford isn’t exactly imposing. Wonder what it’d take to get him from NO. He’s definitely not worth one of the top caliber players, but wonder if the Hornets would consider Marvin & Kirk, or some other package.

by mstaff2003 on Jan 28, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

It's unbelievable that I could be working on a weekend post...

….at a time when NOBODY ever does anything new on the Hawks and both mstaff and Bret thought enough to talk about it. Darn my timing!! :-)

For the record, without getting into the research, I would likely believe the cost outweighs any gain.

by Jason Walker on Jan 28, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Bret says the Hawks are still over the tax

I am not following what he is talking about in regards to Ivan Johnson’s salary. My math with the waiving of Sloan put them under.

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by Kris Willis on Jan 28, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

your better than me kris

its tough for me to read what Bret write’s. i would swear sometimes he hates the hawks.

Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.

by Throw on Jan 29, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol its called being objective

and he was one of the main ones citing the Hawks improvement before the season based on no Crawford or Bibby backcourt anymore

by Jonesy24 on Jan 29, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He has his own style that is for sure

but I put a lot of stock in what he writes especially in regards to the salary cap. I am afraid that I have missed something in regards to the Hawks tax situation.

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by Kris Willis on Jan 29, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

As someone who has been accused of the same

You have to read his blog with the right lens. He is not a homer when writing and that’s not a slight at those who are, but he was one of the first (along with me) to say – we MUST get rid of Bibby, we shouldn’t pay for Marvin, etc. Those things weren’t said to not cheer for the Hawks, but to actually say – we aren’t going to get better if we don’t call these decisions what they are. that said, he has his favorites (cough, Horford) and definitely has Hawks love, just comes with a dose of objectivity that most don’t have. But I suspect he wants to see this team win a title more than most. I know I want that and yet I can write about what ails our team in that pursuit.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 29, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

this is probably true considering I havent read anything from his in a while

I think its the whole tainting of listening to him while involved with Daily Dime has caused me to think like that. Ill give the guy a try again, but geez its just so hard to read anybody on espn when it has to do with the hawks

Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.

by Throw on Jan 30, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Wish the Hornets would do something with him.

They’re killing my fantasy team.

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by Duff_Man on Jan 29, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I definitely agree that this team will tend to play down to another team's level when they clearly should be trying to initiate their own pace and plan to the game

But it’s great to see players who’s shot aren’t falling to be able to still put their mark on the game, as evidenced by Smoove’s all-round play and Hinrich’s 9 assists. As Kris stated in the game thread, it is a good feeling that the team didn’t just drop their bottom lips and admit defeat when they were behind down the stretch, as they may have in past seasons. They managed to give themeselves a chance to stay in it, then take the win in OT. I don’t know how the fans like it in the US, but Australian sports fans want their teams to compete to the final whistle/siren, and the Hawks did just that yesterday.

Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel

by Nique Fan on Jan 28, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Fingers crossed

Thought of a very interesting trade today. Hawks and pistons. Hawks send over kirk and his expiring contact, as well as zaza pachulia. Detroit sends over greg monroe and charlie villanueva.
Detroit takes on almost 13 mil, atlanta almost 11 mil.
Why detroit does it, they rid themselves of charlie v’s contract that is almost a mirror image of marvins. Yeah they take on a little more salary, but thats only for the remainder of this season. Next year, kirks 8 mil would b off the books and theyd be left with 4.7 mil to pay to zaza, a serviceable backup center, and they save over 21 mil over the next 3 years from charlies contract. So next season they would be saving almost 12 mil, money that could be used to lure a star there especially if they amnesty ben gordon.
Why the hawks do it…we get a legit center for an absolute bargain price. 3 years and 9 mil for a 6"11 21 year old center averaging 9.5 boards and 15.8 pts a game, hes also shooting 83% from the line! Yea having another contract like marvins sucks, but with monroe on the team, ill just go ahead and say it, lion becomes very expendable. He would definitely have value on the market and some team would likely want him enough that we could package marvin or charlie v with him and rid ourselves of one of the contacts.
IMO, greg monroe is a highly undervalued center and would help take this team deep into the playoffs. I dont know what the hawks draft picks situation looks like, but if detroit wants some to seal the deal, then do it. Id be giddy as hell if this trade happened, what do you guys think?

by bravesfanldh on Jan 28, 2012 8:12 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Please if you're going to rosterbate

At least do it in the fanshots, and at least make it a reasonable deal.

by Jonesy24 on Jan 28, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say greg monroe is hardly rosterbation. Secondly, if we send over picks and take on an awful contract, it becomes more of a fair deal. But if thats still not good enough, then horford for greg monroe and pick(s). something would have to b tweaked im sure to make salaries work, but I still like the deal.

by bravesfanldh on Jan 29, 2012 2:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

+1 on the Greg Monroe rating

He’s more a throw back center than most of the centers in the league right now.

Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel

by Nique Fan on Jan 29, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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