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Fire Woody!



"Fire Woody" may be the most popular phrase in Hawksland since 2004. "Fire Woody" was more popular than bashing the ASG or the infamous "Nooooooo" when Josh Smith took any jumpshot (good, bad, or ugly). "Fire Woody" has a deep and well documented background. Iso-Joe, Josh's shot selection, getting drilled by Orlando, and playing Joe 40 minutes a game for 5 seasons could all be attributed to the Woody effect. For this franchise, "Fire Woody" was its first cure to solving most of its problems.

And now, as I continue to enjoy the ups and downs of being a Hawks fan, "Fire LD" just does not have the same ring. Now that's not to say that I totally endorse LD. That's not to say that I or other Hawks fans are satisfied with LD's performance and decision-making (like calling out his team for quitting when no one else would have made that assumption and refusing to give Teague a chance to be the Hawks starting point guard last season). And that's before acknowledging that LD is a product of the Woody era. But LD is a clear upgrade over Woodson. LD introduced an offense that is much more lethal and balanced. It has taken time for the team to fully embrace it and it has taken time for the team to get rid of a large portion of its old habits on offense, but now it runs much more fluently and Iso-Joe is a just a small sample of the Hawks attack. The players seem to respond better to LD's leadership. LD has done a great job of putting guys in positions to succeed.

Now before you begin to think that this is an LD love letter, its not. This post actually has less to do with LD and more to do with something that all Hawks fans do not miss and something that another projected Eastern Conference power, has become well acquainted with. Its Woody's biggest down fall and the fuel to the "Fire Woody" locomotive.

It is that horrible, ineffective switching defense. For years Al and Josh and Zaza and even Twin would be isolated somewhere on the court by smaller but quicker guards. For years Mike Bibby, Jamal Crawford, and the brigade of other guards to come through Atlanta found themselves matched up with bigger, stronger forwards and centers. It made no sense. Everyone seemed to know that but Woody. For all we know, none of his assistants agreed with the switching. But Woody was the head coach and Woody was a "defensive genius" coming from Detroit, so everyone bought in.

This is where the Knicks come in. The Knicks had one of the best offensive minds in basketball as its head coach. They had one of the best offensive power forwards and one of the best offensive weapons regardless of position as its first threat. So common sense says that defense is where they had to improve. They went out and got the defensive anchor from the World Champions. They drafted maybe the best perimeter defender in the draft. And they hired Woody as the equivalent to an NFL defensive coordinator.

The Knicks are having a bad season thus far. Carmelo and Amare' don't seem to compliment one another. They desperately need a floor general, maybe Baron Davis is the answer there. And Mike D'antoni's offense doesn't look anything like his Pheonix days. And so you have calls for his job. It has been said that Madison Square Garden has recently been filled with "We Want Woody" chants. I guess because he has NY ties. Beats me.

Whether D'antoni is the right man for the job, I can not say. But what I can say is that Woody is definitely not the answer and is more so a part of the problem. Woody, as the Knicks defensive coordinator, has implemented his switching D as his signature to a renewed Knicks team. Not surprisingly, as in Atlanta, it is not working and Knicks fans hate it.

The inspiration to write this post came from a rant by Steven A. Smith about the Knicks. Right now, I can tell you that he was beyond heated. He was more of what you call "38 hot". Click the following link to see what Steven A. had to say and why he was so mad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKa-kKxs2J8 I think that the entire commentary is entertaining but I took particular affection for how he feels about that switching D. Forward to 2:46 to hear Stephen A. describing Hawks fans' pain of years.

Poll
What was the Hawks biggest downfall in the Woody era?
Switching D
8 votes
Iso-Joe/Jamal
10 votes
Refusing to play Teague
21 votes
The Orlando playoff series debacle
12 votes
Other
3 votes

54 votes | Poll has closed

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We still switch Josh onto guards. I see the problem comes from our guards (and Marvin) being counted on to defend or rebound from the post.

For example, if Smith is on Rose. Deng might backdoor and Marvin is not athletic enough to block the shot and would just watch.

Or Teague is on a PF and the shot goes up and we get no rebound. That’s when we’re undersized. We shouldn’t have to pick between good perimeter defense or good paint protection.

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

And those were necessary trials in maturation to get here. Now we know what we need.

And I’m glad the Knicks blew up their team. If they saw advanced stats (WS/48) they would have known the 6’10 Gallinari = Carmelo in a lot of areas.

Amare was the man, Gallinari filling in and chemistry was good.

ROLES were DEFINED. and it was a good team but now its all blown to Hell. Hope the Hawks dont follow suit in the “Horford to PF = superstar” pipe dream.

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 25, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Switching D – Bibby, Crawford brought shooting we did not have in our frontcourt

Iso-Joe/Jamal – Motion offense or Iso he didn’t trust others with the ball. The offense was balanced and was leading in efficiency due to our bigs knowing when to crash. Can we blame him?

Refusing to play Teague – LD did the same. He’s inconsistent and still learning. It should be Refusing to “Develop Teague/throw him in the Fire” .
The Orlando playoff series debacle – he went big before but he should’ve been desperate to make adjustments so I picked this 1.

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
* Kirk Hinrich * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Ivan/Vlad * Zaza Pachulia *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 25, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

For me Woody served his purpose

He brought this team along and seldom does a coach get to see that all the way through. His biggest downfall for me was his handling of young players. Teague and Acie Law before him. I’d love to hear Woodson talk about the decisions not to play them consistently to see what his thought process was.

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by Kris Willis on Jan 25, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

Woody was just as frustrating as Josh for me.

The mark of his success was being able to improve a horrible team each year. But there was so much about Woody that caused the mind to cringe. He seemed to coach to not lose his job every year except the first two. And for a first time head coach that can’t be the way that you coach for the long run success. You see how long its taking for the guys to get used to not playing Iso-Joe basketball for 40 minutes a game. In the long run, Woody hurt the team more than he helped. In the short run, he had semi-success. But I will take LD over Woody any day.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 25, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted other

-To be honest, we couldn’t have asked more of Woody. Our win total increased every year he was here and we went from a laughing stock to a consistant top 10 team.

-Our biggest issue didn’t come from on court issues, but rather drafting and talent evaluation issues. Not to beat a dead horse into the ground but picking Marvin at #2 over CP3/Deron set the franchise back so very much as well as Sheldon at #5. Josh Childress never panned out. The list goes on. Its hard to compete when the people above you deal you a bad hand.

Atlanta Sports: Allergic to big games

by Beachy Keen on Jan 25, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Im clicking other just beacuse I wish I could select all

Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.

by Throw on Jan 25, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

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