Atlanta Hawks May Have Kirk Hinrich Back On Road Trip
It was mentioned on the game recap last night, and again from Kris on the SBNation Atlanta site this morning, so it makes sense to put it out there on its own to discuss.
Hinrich had surgery in November and he is trying to beat his projected recovery time of three to four months. He said before Saturday night's game against Cleveland he will be with the Hawks on their road trip which begins Monday at Milwaukee.
"I hope I'll be playing sometime on this trip," he said.
Hinrich coming back will be interesting because the Hawks have managed very well in his absence. In fact one could easily say that because of Hinrich's injury the Hawks may actually be in a position to improve. This is because his injury against Orlando in last year's playoffs cleared the way for Jeff Teague to start and excel against Derrick Rose and the Chicago Bulls, making it almost impossible to prevent his playing time coming into the season.
At one time, Hinrich's return might have meant the end of Jeff Teague's starting run, but that's extremely hard to picture that now that Teague has firmly established himself and his teammates have declared that Teague stepping forward is the only way the team will as well.
Getting Hinrich back means yet another solid piece in the rotation, presumably taking Willie Green's minutes, though Green's appearance late in games despite no discernible specific talent other than taking long jump shots might mean that Hinrich will actually take from both Green and Jannero Pargo due to Larry Drew's affection for certain players and how much that love dies hard.
It seems more than stomachable, especially compared to last year, to have potentially three players with the ability to move the ball within the framework of an offense in Pargo, Hinrich and Tracy McGrady all on that second unit together. Hinrich would also have to be considered a defensive upgrade over Green, depending on how completely he is healed when he gets back, further bolstering that unit's current efficiency.
We also mentioned in that recap that someone will likely walk the roster plank when the team does bring Hinrich back, but on further review that's not the case. Hinrich's return will only mean that someone on the team will be replacing Kirk's nightly seat on the inactive list, joining Al Horford. That person will likely be Donald Sloan, who is also the most likely candidate to get cut should the Hawks have to jettison a roster spot to get under the luxury tax by year end.
UPDATE: From the great Kris Willis, comes this from the post game discussion last night with Larry Drew:
Hinrich has missed all 17 games this season while recovering from off season surgery to his left shoulder. Hawks coach Larry Drew was asked about the possibility of Hinrich's return on the road trip following Saturday's game and was a little surprised by news.
"Is he?" Drew said laughing, "I sure hope so, I can't wait to see him with a Hawks uniform on again. I know he's been working out, he's been doing therapy and I do understand that he is close. That's good news to me.
Exit Question:
What is your expectation of Hinrich's return, and what is your greatest concern?
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Hinrich should be the player who walks the plank
He is an expiring contract, which means trade value. And who knows, we lost a 1round pick to acquire him and maybe Sund gets one back if we can trade him. Id also look at packaging him with Marvin since he’s playing better.
by xavip on Jan 22, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It'll be VERY interesting to see how LD fits him into the lineup.
If for some reason, barring an injury, Teague is taken out of the starting lineup, whether it be ineffectiveness, shots not going down, or LD’s lack of confidence in him, you can expect a steady decline in the teams performance.
Putting Hinrich in place of Teague and giving Hinrich more minutes will make the Hawks take a step back, and I have a weird feeling in my stomach that says we might be seeing that in the near future. I still don’t think that LD has full confidence in Teague and it makes me hesitate on if he really is a good fit for being the head coach on this team. Either way, I don’t think he is.
Teague’s point guard vision has dramatically improved and his defense is definitely a reason why he shouldn’t be playing second fiddle to Hinrich. But if a coach can start Jason Collins at the beginning of a game then anything is possible…
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 22, 2012 10:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Radman
My concern is that Drew loves Green so much that Radman is the player who loses all playing time, which would be crazy. He’s been playing well.
Pargo should be the odd man out in this case.
Willie is much more comfortable as a shooter and a scorer. Kirk is a better option at point guard than at shooting guard. He is a bigger defender and better playmaker. Kirk, Green, TMac, VladRad, and Ivan. This team is still 10 men deep.
Welcome back Captain Kirk
I hope he comes back soon and gives a boost to the second unit. His intelligence, defense and outside shot making ability is of great value.
But then, we seriously need to shop him around.
One option would be with Lakers for Troy Murphy and a first rounder. I have always liked Troy’s game. He is not a huge defensive machine, but has a nice outside shot, is fundamentally sound, and a solid big. Add to that a first rounder, and the fact Lakers desperately need someone of Captain Kirk’s abiliy, and this can be a win-win.
Under no circumstance, should Kirk start ahead of Teague or take his minutes.
Pargo has been hot
but this shouldn’t be a tough decision
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by a hooter's baby on Jan 22, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions
I have no idea what to expect from Drew in terms of rotation
and it scares me. One way or another Hinrich is gone after this season so I think it is imperative that Teague starts and keeps playing big minutes.
Well for starters, Kirk should be coming off the bench. (See what I did there?)
But, I think that is going to be a dramatic upgrade to an already over-achieving bench. Kirk brings smart play, hustle, shooting, and awesome defense with him. I know not to expect a whole lot early on, so I need to curb my enthusiasm, but this is going to rule.
Kirk, Taco, Zaza/Ivan, Willie, Vlad. Pargo probably takes the fall.
One thing I see is Kirk logging crunch time minutes alongside Teague. Ball handling and free throw shooting are two areas we need a lot of help, and Kirk fills both those roles easily.
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I'd think, ...
he works back in slowly, getting a few minutes the first couple games before taking on a larger load. And then, when everyone is fully healthy, the bench goes Kirk getting the majority of minutes when Teague and Joe sit. McGrady gets minutes behind Marvin, as well as Joe against bigger opponents or when Hinrich is on the floor for Teague. Vlad backs up Josh, as Ivan, Twin and Zaza split the minutes at C.
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Agree with what you got here
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Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
Why couldn't Pargo play with Hinrich on the bench?
PG: Jannero Pargo
SG: Kirk Hinrich
SF: Tracy McGrady
PF: Vlad Radmanovic
C: Ivan Johnson / Jason Collins
Sure we’ll be undersized a little in the front court but you Kinrich is better utilized as a SG than a PG.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 22, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Hinrich isn't a shooting guard on either end.
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 23, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
He's played it for a portion of his career.
Teams have used a two PG lineup before and it’s worked:
Golden State (Stephen Curry & Monta Ellis)
Denver (Ty Lawson & Andre Miller)
San Antonio (Tony Parker & TJ Ford)
Utah in 2010 (Ronnie Price & Earl Watson) is the best example to the success with two career point guard backups starting on their bench.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
You may not think of him as such
but he has spent a significant portion of his career playing the spot
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Trade him
He is an expiring contract. The Hawks have gotten by just fine with Pargo as the backup because T-Mac is the real facilitator for the second unit, and T-Mac arguably facilitates better than Kirk anyway.
The Hawks are slightly over the tax line and prefer to be under. Kirk makes $8 million. The Lakers need a point guard who can knock down shots and play D, and have an $8 million trade exception.
Trade Kirk into the Lakers’ trade exception, find a big man on a 3rd team who makes $10 million or less, ask the Lakers to send a pick to the 3rd team, and ask the 3rd team to send the big man to us. This works in the trade machine for pretty much everyone I tried.
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by NajehDavenpoop on Jan 22, 2012 12:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So who would be the Center coming to ATL?
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 22, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. What kind of big man can we get that can help us
For a late round draft pick provided Kirk helps L.A.?
by xavip on Jan 22, 2012 1:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I like Troy Murphy
I must admit I am too slow to understand NajehDavenpoop’s logic, but it sounds good to me. I like Troy and a first rounder pick from Lakers.
by ATLpaul on Jan 22, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here is an example
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78hm3wr
In that instance I got Jason Thompson to the Hawks, with the Lakers sending a pick to the Kings for their trouble. But you can pick any big man you like on any team and plug him in there in the trade machine and it works. Jermaine O’Neal, Ronny Turiaf, Jordan Hill, Ryan Hollins, Robin Lopez, Jason Maxiell… none of those are that great, but any of them is an upgrade over the Hawks’ current backup center.
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by NajehDavenpoop on Jan 22, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Thompson would be interesting, although I’m not sure of how much upside he’s got.
Jordan Hill would be another interesting one, same with Robin Lopez.
All 3 are young enough to be a long term piece, and on cheap, rookie deals. Lopez is the best defender, Hill best offensively, and Thompson kind of a mix between the 2.
No on O’Neal, Turiaf, Hollins, or Maxiell.
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Bad reply...
I’d think when Al returns, any of those 3 would be the third big behind him and Josh. Lopez is the defensive minded shot blocker we lack. Thompson and Hill are both versatile bigs who can play the 4 and 5. I’d think all 3 slot in before Zaza, and could make him expendable.
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As far as the Hawks are concerned, they should assume “when Al returns” is next season. Elvis Dumervil suffered the same injury and took five months to recover. If the Hawks are counting on Al to be healthy for the playoffs, they are setting themselves up for disappointment. Best to be proactive and get a competent player to play the 5.
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by NajehDavenpoop on Jan 22, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
If I see Al Horford in a uniform again this season I will be very surprised.
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especially if that competent player
can be a young piece going forward, ala Lopez, Hill, or Thompson. But I can’t see Hinrich (or maybe Zaza) landing them. Maybe the Kings are ready to cut bait on Thompson, I’d offer Zaza for him in a heartbeat.
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Jason Thompson at the center is always a fail for SAC. Too soft. And (Jordan?) Hill is a PF as well. Lopez is a headcase.
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
he's a football player
there’s a lot more pushing and shoving in that game
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I like Jason Thompson
We had talked about him when LD was not playing Teague last year. But having seen him this year with Kings, I don’t know if they go for it. They sure can use Kirk.
I am a fan of Turiaf, but I heard he is badly injured. O’neal too old.
I take a chance on Lopez and Maxiell.
I want McRoberts..
He rebounds and blocks shots.
who facilitates when T-Mac goes down again?
I’m not opposed to moving Kirk but it just depends on what is coming back. They are unlikely to take on anybody that doesn’t have an expiring deal because I doubt the Hawks will be looking to add salary for next season
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Excactly, so it needs to be a good pick
or a good big, or good young, cheap players to keep building around. But we’re in a win now mode, and Kirk helps that considerably as the backup 1 and 2.
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There are big men with expiring deals out there...
…who are better than Collins as a backup center. See the post above.
I realize that T-Mac is an injury risk, but I still feel better about Pargo as a backup PG than Collins as a backup C. Unless you can find a free agent big man who can come in and play quality minutes, the only way the Hawks are going to solve their center problem is via trade. Due to Kirk’s expiring contract, the Hawks’ luxury tax pressures, and Teague solidifying his role as the starter, the obvious solution is to solve the big man problem with a Kirk trade.
Some people have suggested bringing in Rasheed Wallace as a backup C. If he can still play and he is in good shape, I’m fine with him being the temporary stopgap at C and keeping Kirk.
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by NajehDavenpoop on Jan 22, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Rasheed wallace? do we really need another person to stop at teh 3-point line on fast breaks?
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Is there a better free agent available?
If Przybilla or Fesenko can play then I don’t mind them either. But I would think that with big men being at a premium, if either one could play they would have been signed by now. Even Eddy Curry managed to get on a roster.
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by NajehDavenpoop on Jan 22, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
If anything, the Hawks only need a center that can split minutes with Zaza and Ivan at times.
DJ Mbenga is a free agent. (also Joel Pryz billa) A Maybe the Hawks could trade a 2nd rounder for Jason Smith (NO) or Semih Erden (Cavs). Those are cheap guys that could play some relevant minutes temporarily. Al will be back for the playoffs. All the Hawks need is a temporary fix.
Barring a major set back in recovery, Al will be back for the playoffs.
On the flip side Al could bet back for a few regular season games. With that being said, I would be very cautious moving Kirk. The backcourt with Kirk could prove to be a very important strength for the Hawks. With Kirk, the Hawks have another lead guard option. Pargo has filled in nicely in limited minutes but I wouldn’t trust him to play extended minutes if he is needed. And sometimes Teague may need to be off the court more.
Hinrich’s presence will ensure that Teague doesn’t get worn down towards the end of the season and into the playoffs. This would be Teague’s first season playing heavy minutes. He is averaging the 35 minutes per game, second most minutes on the team. We don’t know if he can play at a high level for a large amounts of games, especially in this compressed schedule. So Hinrich is the other option when heavy minutes are needed at point guard to keep Teague fresh.
And Hinrich would the the number 1 option behind Teague and Joe. Hinrich could be a starter at either guard position. That can’t be said about Pargo or Green at either individual position.
Having Joe, Jeff, and Kirk healthy and fresh going into the playoffs is much more crucial than filling in a gap temporarily.
I am thinking they could be very cautious with Al
Personally I am not sold that we will see him suit up again until training camp although I have nothing to base that opinion on.
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I'd think we learn more on that
in the next 2-3 weeks. He’s had the surgery, so they can assess how long it should take to recover, and he can also start rehab so they’ll know how far he’s progressing. I’d think by Valentines Day, they’ll have a good idea on how long Al will be out.
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I think we will have a better gauge of Al's true return after the All-Star break.
The trade deadline will be approaching and the Hawks will have played enough games to value Kirk and others verses what the team needs. If Al looks like he will play and be healthy to start the playoffs, the Hawks won’t make a major move by moving Kirk. If he is out longer the Hawks may try something big.
If the Hawks come to the assessment that they could do something minor, which is the most probable occurrence, they will drop a roster spot and add a temporary piece from the D-League, free agents, or minor trades involving draft picks.
How quickly we forget
If we dont have kirk, we dont get past orlando( he stopped Hawk killer Jameer) and we probably beat Chicago if we have him.

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