Cleveland Cavaliers Vs. Atlanta Hawks Preview And Game Thread #17
by Kris Willis on Jan 21, 2012 4:00 PM EST
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| Atlanta Hawks 2011-2012 Regular Season Game #17 | ||
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| 6-8 | 11-5 | |
| Phillips Arena | ||
| January 21, 2011, 7:00 p.m. ET | ||
| SportsSouth, 680 The Fan, 93.7 FM, NBA Audio League Pass | ||
| Probable starters: | ||
| Kyrie Irving | PG | Jeff Teague |
| Anthony Parker | SG | Joe Johnson |
| Omri Casspi | SF | Marvin Williams |
| Antawn Jamison | PF | Josh Smith |
| Anderson Varejao | C | Jason Collins |
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Hawks Injury report: Kirk Hinrich (shoulder) and Al Horford (torn pectoral) are out.
Cavaliers Injury report: None to report
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I'm at the game tonight
Hopefully will have some good stuff from coach Drew’s pre-game media session. Be sure to check here and/or the storystream at SB Nation Atlanta
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The Hawks are better off starting Vlad at the four and Josh at the 5
ESPECIALLY with Varajao at center and Jamison at the 4 spot, if Collins starts again expect switching due to the Mike Bibby effect.
Collins may start but it may be important to see him get less minutes tonight.
I am not sure how the Hawks will try to play it.
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Im just so frustrated right now
more so than the actual game last night, that Larry Drew would come out and say the Hawks QUIT against the Sixers. The Hawks just came off a 4 game winning streak, the shots stopped dropping, and Collins played more minutes than he should reasonably play for an entire SEASON (hyperbole).
Lets see how they respond
I read a lot of frustration from Drew in those comments. Not condoning them by any stretch of the imagination but it may have just been something where he was trying to get their attention. If they lose tonight then last night’s loss is more magnified in my opinion. I am rather anxious to see what kind of mood he is in today.
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I'd just like him to stop starting Collins
actually i would like him to stop playing Collins. Much rather us get a player that we can use all the time vs. only vs. DHoward and acting like he can do anything else. if he can’t rebound or block shots, it’s useless to play him. Minutes or not – play Zaza and then work small ball to buy the time from there.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 21, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
A fellow season ticket holder tonight summed up the Sixers game as thus:
The quitting started at the top, the coach. His 2 points were mainly that if you are being outworked on the boards why doesn’t it cross your mind to put in your energy guy off the bench (Ivan Johnson)? and if you see your players getting overwhelmed and discouraged try to stop the bleeding. Change something, anything. Don’t just watch it happen and then complain to the media that you thought they were passed that.
It reminds me of the infamous Woodson comment that it wasn’t his job to coach effort or motivate the players to play hard. If you see the wreck about to happen don’t you owe to the team as coach to try to stop it?
by Evil Dallas on Jan 21, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Collins was only -3 -/+ during his time in the game.
Collins gets the Hawks into better sets than Zaza because he can screen, has a more respectable jump shot, which allows our drivers space to create.
I know I’m just repeating myself, but Collins’ game doesn’t show up in the stat column.
you're buggin'
he’s useless on that court. Zaza’s screens turned into buckets throughout the first half with T-Mac. Zaza has a MUCH better complete offensive game than Collins – jump shot and all.
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 21, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Lol ok dude
its clear we’re watching a different game, because Collins cant shoot, cant rebound, and cant guard the pick and roll….
But he can shoot...
Not to be confused with a scorer, but he’s someone you have to guard 18 ft away.
I doubt we lose tonight. No Brand and Iguodala to keep the 2 "stars" out of the post. Rebounding should not be an issue Jamison is not that strong and Varejao is a weaker Joakim.
We’ll see but not a lot of physical defenders
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
I saw on the Hawks report on Y!
that Hinrich was listed as day-to-day.
Anyone think we can get him back next week?
Is it that the Princeton Offense for Perimeter big men? I mean why is Josh Smith and the center always at the High Post? Doug Collins does (sort of) the same high post thing with Vucevic, Elton and Hawes.
The only offense Smith should be in is Pick and roll action. Strong side cleared out for only the guard (Teague/Joe) and the roller (Smith) and then shooters and center on the weak side.
I mean right here is perfect offense for Smith but it looks completely different from the regular sets that I’m watching of us vs Philly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mw3LLJpY2A&feature=related
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
so you got anything to address with me since I am in the game thread?
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Kinda glad I wasn't able to watch the Philly game. Looking forward to us bouncing back tonight
Go Hawks!
Hard to believe we won in Miami but have looked so bad against Houston, Indy, and Philly
Pretty frustrating
its happening all around the league
crazy schedule is making for an unpredictable season
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Just concerned about this 5 game road trip
We are capable of sweeping those games. Whether or not that happens is a complete different story
Kept us in the dark about who was starting at center
Looks like it is Pachulia
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Well...that's what you get when you don't practice dribbling.
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He's never been THIS bad
He’s a career 67% shooter, this year below %50
Atlanta Sports: Allergic to big games
Is this one of those nights where you can buy a nosebleed seat, and go sit down court side?
If the Hawks win it all.........I will shave MY eyebrows.
Where are all the Cavs fans? Hmmm, it's weird how a couple years ago Phillips was packed with them.
I guess they all support Miami these days!
BANDWAGON FANS SUCK AT LIFE!
I am amazed...Josh is making actual OUTLET PASSES!
See, Josh…sometimes less is more!
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Why isn't Cleveland dancing silly on the sidelines?
If the Hawks win it all.........I will shave MY eyebrows.
I've missed the entire game so far :( trying to catch it online
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
nvm
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 21, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
up 7 in the 2nd half
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
Did Nique spot a wilderbeast? No. Honey Badger? No. Heat check?
Yes
If the Hawks win it all.........I will shave MY eyebrows.
I wish that was Bob Rathbun running for the GOP!
My vote would be in!
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ZAZA!!!!!!!
By the way…Zaza has stopped passing to Josh from the outlet.
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Fear the FRO!!
If the Hawks win it all.........I will shave MY eyebrows.
Agreed. Did a good job of building on the lead that quarter
Stretch it to 25-30 and get the starters some rest
lol at the earlier comment
I seem to remember a time when the cavs danced on the sidelines
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
by Throw on Jan 21, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And that stupid fake group picture they would goof around with.
If the Hawks win it all.........I will shave MY eyebrows.
by Hawk n the Ham on Jan 21, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
that dancing pissed me off so much
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
by Throw on Jan 21, 2012 8:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great first half don't ya say. Smoove and Zaza doing business on the boards.
I hope that they don’t quit in the 2nd half again.
Keep an eye on the start of the 3rd quarter
Lets see how the Hawks respond
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ah these new cavs
Its like the frozen shot clock game was in a different lifetime
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
by Throw on Jan 21, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
JOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Call it a night for the Cavs
I know its a bad talent on opposition's side but gotta respect the game, and finish the opponent off.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
As seldom as that is.
Tonight he has done it THREE times and all three resulted in points.
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holy crap im missing the game
But if this is a response to the loss yesterday
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.
by Throw on Jan 21, 2012 8:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
man my stream is terrible.
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
I think Sideshow Bob should get hit with an automatic technical at the beginning of every game
Just for looking goofy.
If the Hawks win it all.........I will shave MY eyebrows.
OT: Joe Paterno has just passed away
I wish his family and the entire Penn State community condolences
Atlanta Sports: Allergic to big games
Rest in Peace. That's terrible.
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 21, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
What we learned
that if you start Zaza and don’t play Jason Collins. Things are much better. As for the quitting thing, we didn’t figure out anything when you are playing against the Alabama AAU All Stars. We actually don’t have to score another point, play Sloan/Green/Collins/Johnson/Pargo and it’ll still be double digits.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don't wanna
hear one more person on this blog talk about why Collins should do anything more than cleanup duty or emergency/foul duty for this team and I’m including games vs. the Magic. All we have to do vs. Magic is just play Howard straight up. Anyway, this game just makes me doubt him more than give him credit. How did you not see that Zaza was better than Collins and that Teague was WORLDS better than Bibby? How did this not happen?
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by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 21, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did Collins even play?
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 21, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
after we were up 30
yes! Perfect use of Collins tonight.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 21, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
clearly the Hawks quit tonight
I mean seriously, no effort from the starters in the fourth quarter #trollhard
Hopefully we can start a win streak from this game
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
and make it to the playoffs with a great record, and clear up our bad matchup Teams like PHI
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 21, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
you scooped me
I am headed home and we will get a story up as soon as we have more details but there is a chance that Hinrich could make his return on this road trip.
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no good job
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by Kris Willis on Jan 21, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
OMG
I’m so excited. I feel like a Beiber fan
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 21, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I’m so excited, I just can’t hide it.
by jdewayneatl on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Guys this NBA TV game is great. Knicks vs Denver. Harrington with a crossover and drive then Melo hits a jumper. Will there be overtime? 1 second left
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
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* Hawks traded {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut} {& Bench Marvin Williams }
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 21, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions
Collins/Stackhouse fast break
was the best thing I’ve seen all season. Too bad they ruined it.
I touched the garment of Ivan Johnson and I saw the Rapture
by a hooter's baby on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions
That was like 30 years of experience trying to execute the give and go
You don’t see that often.
by Evil Dallas on Jan 21, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I should've tuned in at 2am here instead of getting drunk last night.
Good to see the Hawks rebound back after a disappointing performance against the Sixers and beat teas they’re supposed to.
Ivan Johnson - the new Xavier McDaniel
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