Despite Al Horford's Injury, Atlanta Hawks Are Making News
While I think, ultimately, this team will have a hard time keeping up without myriad responsibilities Al Horford brings every night, the two wins over Charlotte and Minnesota have the Hawks --- wait for it -- in first place in the Southeast division.
It's everything Bird Watchers talked about before the season; the continuity, the veteran bench --- all of it would play into the hands of the Hawks as they used familiarity to guide them to a fine regular season record and playoff berth, again.
And even with the injuries of Horford, Tracy McGrady and Kirk Hinrich, the Hawks are maintaining for now, and were the topic of conversation with two prominent national NBA voices.
The first of these is SBNation's own Tom Ziller, who wrote a thoughtful piece on the Hawks and answered questions about their playoff viability and chances of trading Josh Smith:
Will the Hawks still be in the playoff hunt?
It's very difficult to imagine the Hawks falling out of the playoff chase because of the seriously stratified nature of the East right now. After Atlanta's blowout win over the Charlotte Bobcats on Thursday, the conference has seven teams above .500: the Bulls, Heat, Hawks, Magic, Sixers,Pacers and Knicks. You expect that, barring injury, the six teams other than Atlanta are playoff locks. Then the conference has four teams with two or fewer wins -- the Wizards, Nets, Bobcats and Pistons. There's no chance, outside of a major, major trade, those teams are making the postseason.
Ziller also nails the current state of Hawks roster affairs and other potential trade targets, so it's worth checking out the whole story.
Meanwhile, over at NBA.com, Sekou Smith uses his legendary familiarity with the hometeam to say -- just when you think the Hawks will zig, they zag -- so you can't count the Hawks out yet, even without Horford:
What the Hawks do have that can't be measured is the undeniable ability to defy all expectations and common sense. They've been doing it since Horford entered the league, backing into the playoffs during his rookie season and then pushing the eventual champion Celtics to seven games in a first-round series.
Every season since then, the Hawks were supposed to stumble and fall back to the pack or fall out of the playoffs completely ... and each time they've made a mockery of those predictions. Every metric, measurement and statistical analysis designed to study this team has been turned inside out.
For better or worse, the Hawks never follow the script.
Never!
Sekou and John Hollinger both panned this team before the season started because they were far too familiar with the team to put them correctly into context. Like a relationship with someone day after day, eventually you stop seeing their strengths and because obsessed with the faults. They've both come around, as predicted, because the team is sturdy, if not championship caliber. As Hawks fans, we can only hope that these types of positive forecasts continue for the rest of the season. So enjoy!
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Even without Horford, I still think the Hawks have a good chance for a deep run into the playoffs….Eastern Conference Finals anyone???? I sure hope so
too soon
Let’s wait for the Hawks to play some halfway decent opponents before we get too excited about their playoff prospects without Horford. Charlotte completely sucks and Minnesota while improved is still far from a good team.
Logic says you can’t miss arguably your best player for most of the season and still be just as good. I expect the Hawks to play under .500 while they are sans-Al, finishing several games under .500 overall and (depending on when Orlando trades Howard and whether the Celtics’ Big 3 are really done) the 8th seed.
still trying to figure out
why anyone thinks he’s our best player. And that’s not said with Horford hate, but he’s simply never performed as the Hawks best player. Consistent, heart, solid – all of that, but best player…you’d have to serious overrate defense to get there…
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 16, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
How so lol?
Smith is the superior defender with how his gambling IQ Hands and length and how he clogs the passing lanes. so why would Horford’s defense be the difference to make someone say Horford is better than Smith.
Seems like a Freudian slip. “Consistent, heart, solid”. Maybe that is what people say Horford has the edge on Smith for?
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
Setting high expectations falsely = Disappointment
Way too positive a spin on Hawks record.
If any one thinks this team with Zaza starting as our starting center is getting a place among the top four in the East, I ask what is it people are smoking?
We really need to see how this team fights vs. the upcoming tough competition. The first tough competion(Wolves), was far from a rousing success. We were losing by 18 points at our own home, and our bench and Teague had to rescue us. Starters were truly outplayed for 3 quarters at home.
Hawks are a borderline playoff team at this point. Nothing more, nothing less. Get a freaking seven footer, just don’t trade first rounders. Use Captain Kirk contract for getting someone with a pulse (Think trade with Lakers) or get someone that is available (D-league or unsigned free agents). This team needs someone to defend the basket, and Zaza to come off the bench.
BUzz Killington indeed
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
You are totally misguided.
I think many people were looking for a reason to count the Hawks out. Losing Al was the perfect reason. But looking beyond the surface, this team is the best collective team from top to bottom. And the difference for this team this year is and will be the play of Jeff Teague. Jeff should have gotten his learning curve out of the way last year, but there wasn’t enough guts to let Jeff play through the ups and downs. Now, he has the keys. Jeff is playing the 2nd highest minutes on the team behind Joe Johnson.
If anything the Hawks weakness has been shifted from the point guard to the center position. Teague is to the point guard position as Al was to the center position. And in the today’s NBA, point guard play is the most crucial and heavily talented position. The center position is weak across the board and are much, much less impactful than at any time in the history of the game in my opinion.
The difference is a true talent at point guard and a deeper, veteran bench.
We shall wait and see
This team lacks a big man, and there is no hiding size. Basketball is big man business, anything else is not real
Big man
Losing Horford doesn’t affect our lack of a big man. He certainly isn’t “big” by NBA center standards. So does that mean we weren’t going to make the playoffs anyway?
The Heat and Thunder don’t have a big man and they are probably most people’s pick for the finals.
its funny. Horford is not a classic big man but when he goes out people want one.
lol so if we have Horford what is our ceiling since hes not what you want.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
General Responses If anyone else had gone out
Teague goes out… we need an athletic point guard
Johnson goes out…we need shot creator and maker
Smith goes out…we need a shot blocker, athleticism
Vlad goes out…we need a shooter
Marvin goes out…………….
Horford goes out… we need a true center? We need size.
Where have the we need IQ, guys gone? From NCAA pedigree (people talking about IQ and,or skills development)and winning influence to regular season accolades Horford gets too much credit for what he’s done in the past rather than recently.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not IQ, but big man skills
I take Javal McGee in a heartbeat.
Dude you won’t win in NBA without size.
Hawks may win against the weaker competition, but you are not facing the music yet!
You face it vs. Wolves, at home, it almost caught up.
Now, let’s see what happens in the next two games. Against legit competition in NBA in Blazers, and in Sixers.
No - I had wanted a seven footer even before Lion even got injured
This is not a new need. It is now just beyond crazy to stand still and not make a move for additional big man body after your starting center goes down, and we were already thin in that position
Big as in "Lion" is the center on a team that was already limited on big men
A very fine player, playing out of position, but still doing a fine job, goes down. The team has to add a center but stays put. Lion while undersized by classic NBA center standards, plays the position well.
Making the playoffs? I am not too concerned about making first round of playoffs. Possible to make it. But so what? And then what? Are you telling me this team beats Chicago or Miami or Indiana or Pacers?
As for comparsions to Heat and Thunder, let’s take a second and look.
Heat have Joel Anthony this year. And Bosh with long wingspan who can play the position if forced into it. It is not ideal, but certainly far better than Hawks. Is Anthony not better than Zaza? Or Collins? Also, remember, if Lebron an D-Wade are healthy, they cover for many of the mistakes of the other teams.
Thundaer? Let’s not even go there. That team is crazy loaded at center. Perkins, Collison, even Ibaka. I am not even willing to compare Hawks with Lion to Thunder. That team is crazy loaded.
The team stays put because Josh Smith.Al Horford. And Javale McGee. is terrible for spacing.
Smith asked for another deadeye shooter, because he knows it covers his weaknesses. Assuming that Horford would stay at center.
Horford asked for a center because he knows it covers his weaknesses.
Josh Smith + Al Horford + center does not accentuate anyones talents offensively. Its simply for defense.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 18, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
You will be proven wrong
there’s not a chance in not having more injury Haiti that the Hawks aren’t a solid playoff team. You keep thinking about the best teams, but they are still better than 60% of the teams in the league, so if they beat those teams – they are still a 35-40 win team. Just think of it like this – if the Hawks went .500 the rest of the season (and that accounts for losing to bad teams and to ALL of the good teams), they are 37-29. That’s like a 5 seed. So, I’m solidly in the position that the Hawks can’t win a title this way, but this borderline stuff is lunacy. There are some easy playoff picks right now – Bulls, Heat, Sixers, us, Pacers, Knicks (though they are shaky) and Celtics (old, but not that old). There’s really only one more spot up for grabs, but there’s no way we’re borderline. You have to only assume the worst for the Hawks and perfect health and what not for every other team to assume that’s going to happen.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 16, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Let's say they make the playoffs
Then what? I have already answered that question multiple times, to people who get all happy and cheery winning against the bottom of the barrel teams in NBA, and forget the tougher competition.
Coming form you, I am amazed to hear this.
you are making a different argument
my argument is simply that they make the playoffs. Whether they should, could regarding championships is well documented. And by the way i didn’t even mention the Magic. So, that’s our 8. The East is locked up. So, don’t be shocked. I said what they are going to do, which is be in the playoffs. I honestly don’t think Al going down made one iota of a change in that. Just like having him didn’t make us a contender…So to me – it didn’t change anything only how it ends possibly.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
wait a minute
are you seriously discounting the play of Ivan Johnson??
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I LOVE Ivan The Great
In fact, I may have been after KW, the second person on the site that wanted him signed after first exhibition season.
But to think 6’ 8" player can player center, is wishful thinking.
Now I have thoughts relative to tomorrow night game vs. Portland, but Jason and KW are all focused on rankings & ratings and such, so no time to throw thoughts about Ivan relative to tomorrow and things we must do to help LD
.500 to finish the season..
if the Hawks go .500 the rest of the season, they will definately make the playoff. 6-7 seed.
15 thru last season
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
y-Boston Celtics
x-New York Knicks
x-Philadelphia 76ers
z-Chicago Bulls
y-Miami Heat
x-Atlanta Hawks
y-Oklahoma City Thunder
x-Portland Trail Blazers
y-Los Angeles Lakers
y-Los Angeles Lakers
x-Dallas Mavericks
x-New Orleans Hornets
x-Memphis Grizzlies
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
oops Copy and Paste malfunctioned. Missing Spurs and put lakers twice
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
well technically 13 teams finished over .500. PHI was exactly .500
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 17, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions

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