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Timberwolves vs. Hawks Final Score: Atlanta Hawks 93, Minnesota Timberwolves 91

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Quick Thought: Resilience, persistence, and jump shots.

Deep(er) Thoughts:

Once the Hawks figured out that a: Kevin Love needed to be doubled because there's no Al Horford to keep him down and b: that Ivan Johnson guy should be in the game, things started to get better for the Atlanta Hawks.

The Hawks were resilient against an improving Minnesota team in overcoming, at one point, an 18 point deficit to win this game late. But that lead wasn't singularly the obstacle to push past for the win.

There were 19 turnovers, including two should-have-killed-them late in the game, after the starters had finally been placed back in the game. The Hawks were foolish with the basketball throughout. Some of which, I suspect, will hamper most teams that try to match the passing stylings of Ricky Rubio.

There was the matter of the rude guests who dared to shoot the lights out in the first half (50 percent) before finally coming back to where the Hawks were most of the night. The Wolves shot a mere 39 percent in the second half, but they seemed to get every bounce and shot to go their way as they built that 18 point lead and held the Hawks by a pretty solid margin for most of the first three quarters of the game.

Finally, there was the matter of shot selection. When the Hawks attacked the basket, they usually had good things happen. Yes, there were layup that rimmed out, two point blank shots from Marvin Williams that somehow missed, and bang bang plays that ended up as turnovers instead of foul shots, but compared to the brutal shooting the Hawks employed from the outside, the drives to the hoop looked like Nirvana. Still, in trying to recover from the early blitz Minnesota presented the Hawks with, Atlanta stunted their own attempts to comeback with some truly bad shooting. Through three quarters, the Hawks were 1-12 from three point range.

Then there was the fourth quarter. Three point shots went down, Kevin Love went scoreless, and there was Ivan Johnson.

Ivan Johnson had eight rebounds --- in that fourth quarter. Four of those eight were offensive. He made two very clutch free throws after his own offensive rebound kept the Hawks with the ball for a final shot and bailed out a terrible sequence where Joe Johnson seemed to be Iso-Joeing for the final look, but then flipped it out to an understandably open Josh Smith, who didn't come close on the three.

Josh, however, made a fanastic read after the attempt to force feed Joe in the post was doubled, Ivan flashed to the top of the circle. Josh made a quick pass to Ivan, who immediately drove and drew a shooting foul with four seconds left. After making both throws, the Timberwolves came out of a timeout and had a curious ball exchange outside that resulted in Kevin Love having to attempt a very difficult and certainly challenged three point attempt that fell short.

Game Balls:

Ivan Freaking Johnson: 10 points, 11 rebounds, two steals, and 8-8 from the free throw line in 25 minutes. He was Boss for a day.

Joe Johnson woke up in time to make three of his eight made field goals for the game in the 5+ minutes he worked in the fourth quarter. His eight fourth quarter points, which also included two of his three 3-pt makes for the game, contributed to a team high 25 points and, considering the context of the rest of team extraordinary, zero turnovers.

Jeff Teague attacked, attacked, attacked and for the most part showed why that strategy was successful against a team that had no dominant shot blocking presence or weak side helper. Despite rimming out a couple of easy buckets and not getting some benefit of the doubt foul wise on others, Teague managed to put 20 points and 10 assists on the board.

Afterthoughts:

It's tough to leave Willie Green off the game ball list, considering he led the team with 10 points in the fourth quarter, of which he played every minute and hit two huge threes to hyperwarp the team back into the game.

Let me say it again --- Teams are going to turn the ball over more because the style that Ricky Rubio presents causes opponents to want to join in and do the same. Behind the back may be the norm for Rubio, but likely not for the other team, so when they do it, it's likely to start registering careless turnovers. Consider the Hawks and Jeff Teague guilty of this phenomenon.

Kevin Love played the entire second half and was great through three quarters, obviously enjoying the absence of Horford against him. Love had a career high against the Hawks of 28 points by the time the third quarter ended (previous high was 22).

Love's stat line through three quarters: 12-21, 28 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists.

Love's stat line in the fourth quarter: 0-5, 2 points, 3 rebounds, and zero assists.

The Hawks doubled Love and didn't give up an assist to the excellent passing big man -- that was successful.

I've seen Darko Milicic take four shots this season, two in this game against the Hawks -- none of them were any good. Don't laugh too hard, Jason Collins.

Josh Smith took bad jump shots again and only made a couple. He also, I thought, showed some fantastic energy after the team's initial malaise in the first quarter, jumping around for loose balls, etc. He had a four blocked shot game, five turnovers, and eight rebounds. He gives, he takes. The end.

Marvin Williams also had eight rebounds --- in almost 19 minutes. Marvin wasn't the problem tonight, and the team honestly could have used him late for rebounding and defensive purposes, but he'll have to settle for the same eight point, eight rebound night Josh had -- just in 16 fewer minutes.

Final Thought:

It will be interesting to see how much longer the Hawks can keep up pulling together to replace the production on both ends that Al provides. I am guessing it will be hard for this team, over the very long haul this is going to be, to be a .500 team without Horford. Joe Johnson and a lot of commentors say otherwise.

I hope I'm wrong -- and tonight makes 2-0 without Al in the lineup. Let's Go Hawks!

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“A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble.”
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“We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight.”
Jeff Teague

Larry Drew makes me think I can coach at a professional level.\
Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light in fear of Ivan Johnson

by Throw on Jan 15, 2012 1:48 AM EST reply actions  

Loving that title.

Yes!

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by Duff_Man on Jan 15, 2012 3:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So I missed the game

Im assuming by the comments and the boxscore we were getting bad Josh tonight

Larry Drew makes me think I can coach at a professional level.\
Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light in fear of Ivan Johnson

by Throw on Jan 15, 2012 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

We'll give Drew credit for that

His production on the floor doesn’t look like it can be faulted, so let’s hope that’s the reason he get more burn, and not because LD just refuses to play him for 20 minutes.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 15, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I will give the coach of the hawks credit because I agree with what you say

I just refuse to put the words “Larry Drew” and “Credit” in the same sentence

M V TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.

by Throw on Jan 15, 2012 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Drew deserves credit for riding the players that are impacting the game.

It was good to have Marvin back just to put some pieces back into their proper places. He wasn’t necessarily having a bad game (8pts and 8rbs in 19 minutes), but rather he just wasn’t impacting the game the way the Hawks needed. And after a week off, it was good for Marvin just to get his rhythm back.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He supposed to be Radmanovic and spacing and automatic from 3. Marvin was guarding and being defended by whom? Not Kevin Love I assume. He did not outproduce anybody.

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 15, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

whoops spoke to early, Watching the game and Love just got an easy layup on Marvin.

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Smith and Joe clear out pnr. All day play. Only time I want Smith touching the ball.

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

wait teague had 10 assists?

when was the last time we had a guard do that, I hope teams will continue to think he sucks or not plan around him

M V TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.

by Throw on Jan 15, 2012 2:19 AM EST reply actions  

Joe Johnson had 10 assists in a game last January

Josh Smith had a triple double with points, assists, and rebounds back in November of that season, 2010.

The last time we had a point guard with 10 assists? Gonna take me a while to figure that out-I think Bibby did it once in a Hawks’ uniform.

Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.

by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT

by Bronn on Jan 15, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I meant to say point guard

I was at a game where josh got a triple double, so thats why I was selective in saying guard. But if you can find me the game where bibby got 10 assists PLEASE let me know. But I guess the point that Im saying is that Teague is darn good. Every game he plays I still get happy knowing the vast improvements he has given the team over the past pgs we have had

M V TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ivan Johnson does not buy ground beef, he just takes a whole cow, runs it through his beard, and fully cooked hamburgers come out.

by Throw on Jan 15, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Bibby had 10+ assists 12 times as a Hawk, most recently in the January 2010 Hawks-Suns game that Jamal won at the buzzer with a 3.

He never had 15 in a game as a Hawk, though, which is Teague’s career high.

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by NajehDavenpoop on Jan 15, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Not only did he have 10 assists, but 20 points and 3 steals.

Outside of the turnovers this was the most dominant game by a point guard the Hawks have seen since Mookie Blaylock. And I still say Teague is the key to the season. With Al out, Smoove and Joe on the bench, it was Teague leading the second unit on that run to get back in the game.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 15, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

hopefully Marvin gets more run

Because honestly he probably should have gotten the ball more in the first quarter, where he continued to take good shots at the rim against smaller opposition

by Jonesy24 on Jan 15, 2012 3:55 AM EST reply actions  

Boss for a day.

I am guessing it will be hard for this team, over the very long haul this is going to be, to be a .500 team without Horford.

“Joe Johnson and a lot of commentors say otherwise.”

I guess Joe is expected to say this but what commentators have said that we can replace Al with backups?

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 15, 2012 4:01 AM EST reply actions  

We stole one

Now I feel better about losing to Chicago after leading by a ton up in their home court. We had no business winning this one after horrible defense and turnover after turnover in first half.

To add insult to injury I sat in traffic with family for the longest period. This was strange. We almost missed the start of the game, but just made it. Had no idea what was going on. As we were walking towards Phillips scalpers were shouting “got tickets for Trucks or Hawks?”. Then it finally came together and we all started laughing. Yes Hawks fans, apparently there was a monster truck event going on at the same time as Hawks game. Let me just say, next time there is a monster truck event going on, I am passing on the game. That was worse traffic than when Falcons and Hawks play close to each other. Amazing!!! One has to question intelligence of people watching big trucks squish little trucks and get excited!!!!!!

Speaking of big (how is that for a transition Jason?), can we please find a seven footer? Zaza was pretty much useless. Dropping and fumbling passes. Not really rebounding. At one point Teague essentially gave up after another solid bullet pass zipped by Zaza. He threw his hands up in the air, and looked at LD. In times like this, LD just looks back and says nothing. At least Collins put a stop to bleeding and made the team defend Love better. But we know Collins limitations. Still, I go with Collins to start the game, and Zaza as his backup. Size matters, we are in desperate need of another seven footer.

Smoove had a tough night, but it was expected after many good nights. He still fought hard.
I have a tough time giving game ball to JJ. That was a horrible performance by him before the fourth. Horrible. But as you say, after the reserves got us going, and then he got going and saved our bacon.

The game ball belongs to Ivan Johnson and Teague.
Ivan The Great shows heart, hustle, energy – those things get you everywhere in life. He rebounds, he runs hard, he makes his free throws. I go to war with Ivan.
Teague is BRILLIANT. Yes he will mess up layups. But more often than not, he will break teams down. Exactly what Hawks need. Still, he threw another bad lob pass to Smoove. He must learn.

A final word about Wolves. Rubio reminds me of Nash. He can do any passes, and to my surprise, has an ok outside shot. He will be trouble for years. Love after finally losing the love handle, has become the player he was meant to be. Fundamentally solid, nice outside shot and fakes. He needs to lay off the three point line. And if Adelman wants to remain the coach, how can he play number 2 pick for just a few minutes? Incomprehensible.

We got a win. I now know how Chicago fans must have felt after winning after being down a ton. How did we win this one? We move on.

by ATLpaul on Jan 15, 2012 8:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

"Ivan The Great shows heart, hustle, energy – those things get you everywhere in life. He rebounds, he runs hard, he makes his free throws. I go to war with Ivan"

It’s funny because Ivan the terrible is known for more wars than Ivan the great…..I think

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 15, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Rolling on the floor

History was never a good thing for me in school

by ATLpaul on Jan 15, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

True Story

The night that they retired Dominique’s jersey I made the trip to Philips Arena to watch which was also the same night that Georgia Tech was playing No. 1 Wake Forest and a Monster Truck rally was going on in the dome. Traffic was backed all the way to 285 and I sprinted and I mean sprinted just to get to my seat just as Nique’s banner was going up into the rafters at halftime.

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by Kris Willis on Jan 15, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn't gonna comment on the Al appreciation but it got overplayed at the end of the wrap up.

I will say this, Kevin Love did not have his way necessarily because Al wasn’t in the lineup. Truly, Al wouldn’t have guarded Love much in this game anyway. That was Smooves job. And Smoove wasn’t able to slow him down. Love would have put up the same numbers with or without Al. Love averages 25 and 15. And in the two games against the Hawks last season he went 22/15 and 18/12.

Al’s impact on the game would have been felt elsewhere, like closing some of those passing lanes for Rubio and gaining a clear advantage over Darko Milicic. The Hawks solved that with the zone. But shutting down Love isn’t something Al would have done. Love did what Love does.

by jdewayneatl on Jan 15, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

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