Hawks vs. Rockets Final Score: Rockets 95, Hawks 84
Quick Thought: I'm going to spare you the negative over-the-top histrionic. Happy New Year!
Game Summary:
The Rockets were playing their third game of a Tripleback and the Hawks their fourth game in five days, and their first in a three game roadie. The Rockets triple included a Friday night game in Memphis. These are not fresh teams.
That said, the Rockets came out looking strong and blitzed the Hawks with solid inside play, long range hoops, and second chance opportunities. The Hawks answered by missing the outside shots they had previously made their first three games, including a burst of usage from Al Horford, which sadly resulted in nothing positive for this game.
After the home team Rockets had run the lead out to nine, much a which was due to six first quarter assists from hyper-generous Kyle Lowry, now #1 in assists per game and top 10 in Assist Rate and weighted assists, the Hawks set about trying to get back into the game, and did so at times with some strong play from Tracy McGrady, who has been a steal of a deal so far for the Hawks, and strong, grinding play from Joe Johnson and Al Horford.
But everytime the Hawks would draw back into a manageable margin, they would be undone by their own choices on the offensive end, and poor play on defense. Only a second half zone bailed the Hawks out defensively for a bit, but the man defense constantly failed to keep up with the Rockets speed and ball movement, an offense that reminded me of the early aughts Kings teams and Mavericks as well in that respect.
Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and Chase Budinger scorched the Hawks from the outside, while Jordan Hill collected 15 boards inside. The Hawks constantly overplayed dribble drives by Lowry, who had 18 assists and constantly ready triggermen in Martin, Scola, and Budinger ready to receive the fruits of his driving labor.
By comparison, Jeff Teague didn't resonate as his Rockets point guard counterpart, but I thought that, while he could have stepped up more on the court to control the team and maybe get himself inside more to loosen up a tight Rockets defense, he was the one player needed most on the court at all times, due to Lowry.
I don't know what crime against humanity and basketball Teague committed four minutes into the second half, but Drew singled his young point guard out for all the team's failings and yanked him for the quarter, and immediately the Hawks lost ground with Willie Green struggling to keep up defensively at the point. Two minutes after the Hawks yanked Teague still down by nine, they were down by 13, two more minutes and the deficit now 17.
Teague's exile lasted until there were less than ten minutes left in the game and the Hawks were down 14. Within a minute it was down to 10, another three minutes, the lead was down to six. The Hawks finished off game as they had started it, shooting themselves in the feet offensively, and watching Martin, Scola, and Budinger score 16 points in the game's final six minutes to seal the deal. Ball game.
Quick(er) Thoughts:
If you didn't think McGrady isn't specifically filling Jamal Crawford's old minutes pattern, check out the gameflow from PopcornMachine. McGrady came in during the third quarter and stayed for the night, a la Crawford. This I don't mind at all, especially when Tracy has it going as he did tonight, with a six rebound wrinkle that Jamal never could produce in a single game.
My issue comes when it only comes at the expense of minutes for Marvin Williams, no matter how well he plays. Tonight would have been an excellent night to sit Josh Smith who, aside from a couple of nice takes to the basket throughout the game, seemed reticent to change his failed approach to defensive intensity, rebounding, or his notorious shot selection. When a player like Williams is playing physical and Smith is not, why not make that swap instead of defaulting to leaving Smith on the court, no matter what?
Smith only gained three extra points on five extra shots, three additional rebounds, and two assists despite playing ten more minutes than Williams. If Smith deigns himself a small forward, then Williams is showing him how to do it better thus far this season. Smith is obviously the better player, but only when he minds his basketball manners and attacks the cup, rebounds, and contests his own man's shots like he can do.
Larry Drew Benches Jeff Teague: A Commentary
Regarding Teague and being singled out by Coach Larry Drew: Post game, according to the Real MC's AJC recap Saturday night, Drew offered this explanation for the teaching moment this game, and specifically Kyle Lowry's play, offered to his own point guard.
"I hope my young guy can take a look at that and see how you can impact the game and not score points," Drew said. "Sometimes scoring can be overrrated. Good point guards still find a way to impact the game irregardless if they score."
Teague's first half: 0-0 FG, four assists, one turnover. You mean like that, coach?
I'm not going to say that Teague played as well as Lowry, but a quote like that tells you that a coach is seeing what he wants to despite what's actually going on out on the floor. Teague was actually doing exactly the type of play --- don't shoot and get your guys involved --- that Drew wanted and his reward was that his coach didn't see it that way.
Teague actually should have attacked the cup more himself early on and loosened up the defense, got to the line, etc. --- it's a strength of his, after all --- but because Teague's teammates didn't make their shots as Lowry's readily made theirs, Teague's four assists against zero shots made no positive mental imprint on his coach.
Benching him for whatever in the third quarter and only affording him 13 minutes in the second half overall merely delayed any meaningful run at making the game close again and will play no stronger role in getting the result Drew is looking for. How can you shoot less than zero?
What's Next:
A night off for the Hawks during this road trip and then at Miami Heat Monday night. That's followed by a visit to the Chicago Bulls Tuesday night before returning home to host the Heat on TNT Thursday night. Whew.
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it's his signature word, I kid you not.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I was in attendance for this game. The Hawks body language was terrible. Josh Smith didn’t want to be there. Williams held his hands up while Teague brought the ball down, as to say, “what play are we running.” It was a bad night, and a bad game. Really the only energy shown, was that of McGrady, and he had too many one on one isos.
Why not us? Why not now?
Williams holding his hands up, confused about the play call
Is a very old problem with him. Not specific to last night at all.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
I'm hoping that Drew was only trying to make a point, and this was not his reasoning for sitting Teague.
I don’t know, so this may just be me daydreaming.
I think Teague is still hurting quite a bit. The explosive vertical leap is not there. I’m thinking that he sat for this. or Maybe Drew was upset with his play, and this was the biggest contributing factor. Teague is at his best driving to the rim, and creating from there. (KInd of like that guy from Chicago, wassis name?)
The only reason Smith gets the ball is FTA. Pathetic "team". Our "talent" matched up better with the Heat's "talent" last year..
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
Smith played terrible but how many FTA is he supposed to get? Marvin is a tweener who wants to play inside yet cant defend PFs and shies from perimeter shots.
Did anyone see Budinger lock him up and make the slow heavy Marvin fumble the ball? Horford did not demand the ball. And even when he did get the ball I only recall one trip to the FT line off of an iso move.
The other 2 FTA came in transition iirc. Teague is a system PG just like Rose. If you get Dwight for Horford (L2ms, it’ll nvr happen) make sure you get Anderson for spacing.
Mandatory Perspective: Rockets play in the West. We should match up better with the Heat today.
Happy New Year Everyone!
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing but love for ya babe,
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Is he as confusing everywhere else?
I am thinking of a rule where the headline of your comments at least have to make sense
@Kris_Willis
I honestly wonder if this person has some sort of mental disability
He has yet to write a sentence that’s once coherent thought-it’s like he has to interrupt and respond to a comment that no one else can hear. In the middle of every sentence. He starts arguments that have nobody on the opposing side, like, “Al Horford is not a perimeter player,” or arguments that nobody bothers discussion because they make no sense, like “Teague and Rose are just system PGs.”
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Again, we outcoach ourselves
Really sad that a team with so much talent doesn’t know how to use it.
I’m hoping Ivan Johnson can play soon.
Their best players played like 40+ minutes
our best guys, somewhere from 30-35.
Not knowing how to use talent, or not knowing how to leave it on the damn floor?
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Hate to scapegoat the coach because look at Spoelstra but alas
+1
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Teague out there
than have Pargo out there no matter what. Pargo has been terrible in my opinion so far so benching Teague was a horrible move. Also, Josh Smith has been miserable so far. I know his stats weren’t necessarily awful, but his shot selection has been poor and he has continued to make bonehead plays. The worst of all was his behind the back pass under the basket where it looked like he didn’t give a shit about playing. I would just rather see us trade him as soon as possible and get something back for him then continue to play him with no effort on his part. I would prefer to try and do whatever we an to trade him to a lottery team to give us a chance at a player like Anthony Johnson or a Cody Zeller. We need a big man that will give us effort for the entire game and not quit on the team.
Unfortunately, this team's alpha dog is Smith, and his need to touch the ball basically
every time down the floor, instead of doing the dirty work and getting garbage points, is killing the offensive potential production of players that have passive personality’s like Marvin and Joe.
Josh should have been benched last night, but I believe LD is afraid of him. I have been at a lot of Hawks games and if things are going bad, Smith is a cancer, watch him during the timeouts. He’s great when they are winning, but he’s one of the first to jump ship when things are going bad.
He needs a coach that’s not afraid to get in his face. The fact that he still allowed to take jump shot and 3’s at the worst time, is an indictment on LD.
Happy New Year to all
Well it was expected that Hawks would lay an egg sooner or later, still….
Let’s hope it can be corrected quickly because it is needed in the next 2 games.
While I agree Teague should be getting more playing time, it is puzzling why he was not taking shots. He needs to stay with the outside shots at times, to keep defenses honest, in addition to his drives. The LD comments are beyond idiotic about Teague.
Josh Smith, was not good when taking shots from outside. I believe he missed it all. And when he attacked, he scored. On top of that, when Hawks finally were making a come back in the 4th, he let go of a rebound that Rockets scored on. There went the comeback.
There was a time in Woody era, the last year of his regime, he used starters so much, to make sure Hawks had a good record. There is a school of thought, that says if you do that, then your starters are tired by time they get to playoffs. But last night, no starter other than JJ went over 31 minutes. And JJ went 35 minutes. In a game like this, I would have played starters around 40 minutes with sprinkling of Rad/Zaza/T-Mac.
It is ridiculous to bring Pargo and Green (in his current shape) in and give them the minutes of the starters. Did any one else think PArgo was slow on the fast break he got blocked?
So here is the dilemma, do as Woody says and win games like last night with starters (minus the bad Smoove), or use them much less and give not NBA ready players (Pargo and Green) minutes and lose. For me, it is an easy choice, play the starters. If we are going down, I much rather go down with my guns blazing.
why on earth would you play the starters 40 minutes against a western team on the back end of a back to back when we’ve got a game against the eastern conference champs coming up? going down guns blazing? its game 4 against an out of conference opponent.
As comparsion let's look at Miami Heat vs. Minnesota Timberwolves
Out of conference, right?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/gameflash/2011/12/30/31084_boxscore.html
Now look at James minutes, 37
Look at Wade, 38
Bosh, 35
We can agree James and Wade are 2 of the top five players in the world.
At minimum our 3 best players should be trending towards 40 minutes similar to Heat right?
Johnson played 35, and the other 31 minutes.
If you think we are going to have a chance on the road next 2 games, vs. Heat and Cows, I think you are being optimistic.
The game we should have targeted for winning, was last night. Hawks were playing an opponent that was playing 3 nights in a row. Hawks had not played many minutes the night prior. There was a real chance to win, I don’t think realistically we are going to have a chance to win the next 2 nights out.
At the end, it is how many games you win and you lose, no one at end of season will look to see whether Hawks have won vs. Heat during the regular season or not as opposed to Rockets. We need to pile up the victories, as opposed to saving players for in season in conference confrontations, where we have even less of a chance to win
Im upset JJ didnt dominate this game more
i mean Kevin martin can play but he looks like tommy pickles out there next to JJ. i mean Joe could back this guy down from the 3pt line on every play if he wanted to. when are we gonna see ivan johnson play more hes there for games like this to put out energy when the team is lagging at least he would hustle for the ball. I mean damn was i the only one counting every shoot scola put up as good?
thank you!
this was one of those games where if we had a REAL superstar we would have won…after seeing brooks young and martin i’d rather have them….joe is EXTREMELY frustrating…..yes josh has the most skills on the hawks squad but refuses to use it….every time i see him near the top of the key i wanna pull my hair out….he is suppose to rebound every one of al’s misses…it seems like the only person who wants to rebound is zaza….we need a coach to demand more out of smoove and joe…gettin rid of them wont solve much
whats wrong with that? This aint football. Its 5 on 5. and Lowry breaks down defense for jumpers
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
New Year's party meant I missed the game
But I see that Larry Drew did the exact opposite of my suggestion in the comments section of this post. That is, he played Marvin Williams even fewer minutes, while Willie Green played more.
I get that perhaps McGrady can’t defend quick two guards, but 1) Kevin Martin isn’t the quickest two guard in the league, and 2) Marvin Williams probably CAN defend two guards, at least adequately enough to justify playing time over the ridiculously useless Willie Green.
Apparently, being slim does nothing for Josh Smith’s shot selection. The fat he needs to trim down is the fat in his head.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Also, from what little I caught on the radio
It sounded like the Hawks had talked about coming out and pushing tempo before the game, to take advantage of a tired opponent. And then THAT team came out pushing the tempo, and it caught the Hawks off guard.
Is it bad coaching, or is that this team just has a hard time responding to coaching?
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
considering its LD
id say bad coachhing
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Smith and Horford outsized and outrebounded. Marvin cant run. Same old same old
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Kevin Martin's pretty quick.
What makes him quick is his first step, and he has one of the quickest first steps in the league. Combine that with his great pump fake, and it’s hard to guard him on the 3 point line.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jan 1, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
You bench Teague
but let Josh think he’s Reggie Miller out there.
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Jan 1, 2012 2:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Josh is not good
All he does is spot up and stand still now. He misses two free throws in a row so the next offensive possession he spots up and takes a quick jump shot. If you can’t make a free throw why would you think that’s a good idea? I am sorry but he has been terrible overall this season and its not going to get any better against the heat and bulls.
by frootbooty on Jan 1, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why Larry Drew Sucks
So, you decide that this game is the game that you want to take a shot at Jeff Teague! Really? He was the most awful player. Listen, Larry Drew will never be a good coach and the Hawks will never take the next step if there is little equity in holding the team accountable. Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford haven’t played well all year – where’s his benching and post game shot from the coach. It’s arguable that Marvin (who was benched) and Jeff are the REASONS the Hawks won the first 3 games and yet these guys are the ones that gotta feel heat from the coach. Really! The worst part about this is that now I gotta worry about whether Hinrich is a candidate to take Teague’s spot. Damn you Drew for not keeping that ish to yourself…
Hawk Str8Talk
Is this a new trend where coaches talk ish about their players on tv now
instead of in their OFFICE like professionals should. bench him and say the team needs to play better thats it. if you dont you might have a sprewell event on ur hands soon. i cant see josh choking LD but alil backhanding goes a long way.lol
LD only picks on the young or more insecure players
Last year he did it to Zaza.
And yes he of-course doesn’t like Teague.
He is the reason we lost JC2. Not Sund.
It is time we cut our losses. Let LD go.
More games like last night, let Smoove go in trade for a big man. Multiple teams in the league have double big men. I say talk to Suns for Lopez 2 or Gortat, or talk to Wizards for Turiaf+Young/JC2 for Smoove
Fire LD and hire Jeff Van Gundy
LD would have been fired last year
If Jeff Teague didnt save his job against the Bulls. Seriously Jeff Teague got this man hired and then saved his job. He shouldnt be calling Teague out
I don't think Van Gundy is coming for the league minimum
and if you get Van Gundy say goodbye to Smoove, he’d give Van Gundy an ulcer within a week
@Kris_Willis
Starting to miss Woody a lil bit...
since he at least played the starters damn near the whole game,lol.
Lets face facts
The Hawks probably werent winning this game anyway. I have no problem with LD not gunning for the win by playing his starters more minutes.
I DO however have a problem with what he said about Jeff Teague, which is blatant bullshit. Jeff Teague isnt beating Lowry off the dribble, nobody does that to Kyle Lowry, who’s probably an all star this year. No shame in that, Teague still ran the offense well enough, the Hawks as a unit just missed the long twos and threes that they typically make. Stuff like that happens.
The bigger issue is LD unwillingness to sit Josh Smith for terrible shot selection, and splitting the effeteness of both TMac and Marvin by only playing those two at SF position.
Neither VladRad or Willie Green
are better at their position than Marvin Williams playing either the 2 or the 4. TMac good play is being wasted by not utilizing Marvin to the fullest.
This is absolutely true
And when Marvin is being aggressive, contributing to rebounding, playing defense, driving to the basket, and making jumpshots, there’s really no reason he shouldn’t be on the floor as much as possible. Seriously, he’s playing less than half the game, only because he plays the same position as the most effective reserve, and not because he’s failing to do anything at all. And there are plenty of other players who are struggling to make positive contributinos that outweigh their negatives (Willie Green, Josh Smith over the last two games, Vlad Rad last night).
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
I just don't understand the Marvin love. Whenever I watch he fails to create independently and is reliant on others being doubled to make a play.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Are we really crying already?
After 4 games and two back to backs? This week is where the testing will commence so let us reserve hatred til later please!
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
True that man
One game. We’ve got a big test in the next three games – After these 3 we’ll have a truer indication of how this team will perform over the year.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Looked like worldbeaters against NJ and WAS but We did not look like contenders yesterday. For some perspective HOU is in the Western Conference and its a long season.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
that's the blog nature
so, don’t worry too much about that – I think the only true takeaway at this stage is that our head coach still has not taken control of this team. His inability to hold all players to the same standard and to discipline our team is evident when this team faces adversity. There are no rewards for great play or punishment for poor play. That’s been a constant throughout the Woodson and Drew regimes and that’s very disconcerting for a team that wants to grow into a contender. As I always say, you can lose the battle to win the war. We’re always choosing the win the battle at the expense of the war. Some of the ills of our players could be solved by choosing to make a stand on what will benefit this team in the long run. No one is served by not riding Marvin when he’s hot and showing this team that Marvin can carry them or by riding the ups and downs of Teague’s development (less we forget that it’s only been about 8 games where we could call this Teague’s team).
To give say publicly that there’s something Teague needs to learn from Kyle Lowry (who all due respect is NOT an elite talent) just ignores the psychology of the team and players that makes it hard to consider us ready for prime time.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 1, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
While I agree with you
We don’t need to pretend that Teague played well in this game. He was passive from the start just one day after telling MC that he was at his best when on the attack.
@Kris_Willis
I believe he was passive at the request of his coach.
Clearly, LD is uncomfortable with Teague taking a lot of shots, or else why make those comments on a night where he didn’t even shoot the ball, officially, until the third quarter?
His quote is what got my attention. I would have wanted him to have more impact, but to do so given his talents would be to go to the basket and possibly score, which flies in the face of what LD was talking about regarding learning from Lowry.
by Jason Walker on Jan 1, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
I don’t think he respects Jeff Teague’s game honestly. That’s the only reason I can think of that would allow him to play Bibby over him after watching him in practice. I just can’t come up with a reason that this guy wouldn’t hand Teague the keys and live with his ups and downs. Does he not realize that Teague has only been running an NBA team as the lead dog for 10 games now? Josh and Al still have sporadic production at this stage of their careers, so why should Jeff have it figured out yet?
it just boggles my mind how poorly they have managed Jeff’s growth. I mean it’s like Jeff has to have success in spite of Drew and Woodson and not because of them.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 2, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Wow that reminds me of the Devin Harris and Avery Johnson situation
in Dallas and New Jersey. Those two could not coexist
Ron Artest = Ron (sm)Artest - He Is The Most Interesting Man In The World
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 2, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'm really curious what kind of coach can watch this team
And think that ANYONE is being “too aggressive.”
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
This is amazing if it is true
I can not believe LD being this narrow minded. The only reason we win vs. Nets on the third game is Teague.
How can any coach do this to us? This is absurd. If Teague is not injured and in fact was not attacking (which was puzzling to me why he was not taking shots), then if this is at request of the coach, there should be a formal inquiry of this matter by ASG. Certainly even this ownership group must want to know why a coach would ask a player not to score at the cost of doing things he is not ready to do.
This now is reminding me of what happened last year with Stucky and Kuester. I can not emphasize how upsetting this would be if in fact it is true
We don't know that Drew asked him to cut back on the shot attempts
Don’t take this and run with it
@Kris_Willis
+1
I’m not trying to make this an overreaction – I just am oversensitive to what coaches put into the media. Since the Woodson era, it’s never been even whenever shots have been fired (slight or direct) and so, from the outside looking in – I see a lot more shots fired at players who have less to do with the team’s ills than those who do. In what was a very off year for Joe, I don’t remember one – hey, Joe has to do BETTER or a hey, if Josh can’t figure out shot selection, he’ll be sitting next to me. Even Phil Jackson told Kobe – you are sucking right now and you need to pick it up. So, that bothers me esp. since I think any employee would hear the boss say that and wonder – well, why am I the guy getting called out when I’m not the only person making mistakes. That does foster negativity in the ranks..
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 2, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
How much of that is tied into security do you think?
I mean Phil Jackson is one of very few coaches that could tell Kobe that and get away with it. I don’t agree with the public criticism but I think that Drew knows he can’t lose his vets and keep his job. Josh’s relationship with Woodson could have played a big part in not bringing him back?
@Kris_Willis
Too afraid of losing his job to actually do his job?
Sounds like a good indictment of ASG’s hiring policy.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Bingo
Well, I’ve written many blogs about the fact that I understand why Woody and Drew do what they do. It makes perfect sense from a job security perspective and no sense with regard to winning a title. As I always say, I blame ownership first, management second, coaching third, then the players. So, it’s COMPLETELY tied to security. Doesn’t mean I have to like that reality.. :) I guess I’m not being a realist when I want guys to bet the farm on what’s right and that it’ll get rewarded vs. doing what’s safe and guaranteeing an extension of what’s wrong.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Agree
Teague did NOT have a good game and moreoever – the actual point that Drew makes is true – it’s the fact that he said that publicly to the media and is unwilling to make that same call out to our captains that bothers me. Drew has a history of picking on players like Marvin, Zaza, and Jeff while leaving players like Jamal, Bibby, and our captains to make mistakes with nary a criticism. Now, I won’t profess to think that nothing is said behind closed doors, but honestly – if Drew was my coach…I’d certainly have a major problem with my first bad game being a pulpit for criticism when there have been worse contributions by guys who are supposed to be leading this team. Teague isn’t getting the big bucks – we got 3 All Star calibur guys who have not played well this season at all.
Where is the ‘hey, captains’ – yeah, we beat these bad teams, but I want better production, shot selection, effort, etc. So, in a game, where Teague isn’t the biggest culprit – his name shouldn’t be mentioned on the sly. You should name none or start with the folks who should be bearing the weight by virtue of their talent and paychecks. $20M, $10M, etc means you can take the glory AND you can take the criticism from your coach. Don’t put that on a young guy that’s been getting jerked around by the organization since he got here. It’s just a poor decision. I’d rather he got up there and said – my guy needs to get respect from the refs. I’ve watched Teague get fouled probably at least 4 times each game from the Bulls series on and spend your time sending that message and if you want to break down film with him using Lowry as your example of how to run a team without scoring – fine. But that is just a bad thing to say in my eyes…(and to use irregardless as well)…just terrible
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 1, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well I can't argue those points
What was said should have been said behind closed doors. Teague has a long history with Drew and it goes all the way back to when Woodson was the coach. Some of the people I have talked to places the blame on both sides of the fence.
@Kris_Willis
agreed
for all my Teague love, I definitely talked to people who have said that Teague did not prepare well his first 2 seasons (staying out, out of shape, poor work ethic), etc so I don’t know the extent of its truth, but I can definitely see the impact of that and don’t absolve Teague or make him blameless. That said – it’s certainly true of other players too though and so, if you aren’t going to punish them, then don’t punish Teague and certainly don’t sell me that guys like Mike Bibby are better than him. It’s not like we’re dealing with DeMarcus Cousins or something.
I do believe that Teague is one of those guys who gets engaged more by putting him in the fire and trusting him vs. asking him to earn it. I know the old school way thinks that may be un-American, but I actually just think it’s knowing your personnel. It’s why I said – just start him back in his rookie year. Just say – here are the keys..prove you don’t deserve it. I think we’d be seeing him with an understanding of how to play the position that far exceeds where he is now OR we’d know – hey, we need to still figure out this point guard position.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
don't worry be happy
I will bet not many of us had ATL going 66-0…..relax..sure would have been greatly appreciated, but next week we have bigger fish to fry!!
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by I am usually right except when... on Jan 1, 2012 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions

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