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Atlanta Suffers First Loss Of Season 95-84 In Houston

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One of the toughest parts of falling behind early is the amount of energy it takes to dig back out of the hole. Houston hit eight of their first ten shots in putting the Atlanta Hawks down 20-9 midway through the first quarter. From there the Hawks played catch up the entire game and after clearly didn't have the energy to pull off the comeback falling 95-84 for the first time this season.

The Hawks had opportunities but it seemed that every single time they would make a run the Houston Rockets had an answer and usually of the three-point variety. The Rockets ended up hitting nine threes in the game led by Kevin Martin's 27 points and 6-10 shooting from beyond-the-arc. Atlanta cut Houston's lead to 79-73 with just over five minutes remaining in the game before two Atlanta turnovers and five straight points from the Rockets put them back up 84-73.

Here are some thoughts from Atlanta's first loss of the season:

Jeff Teague:

Teague finished the game with six points and five assists which fell short by a mile of what the Hawks needed from him this night. He was passive throughout and didn't attempt a field goal in the first half and had only one through three quarters. Larry Drew pulled him midway through the first and midway through the third. This was a night with the Hawks lacking energy that they needed Teague to force the issue a little more.

Offense:

The player movement simply wasn't there Saturday night and thus neither was the ball movement. With Teague being passive Atlanta's offense broke down into a lot of dribble and iso situations that didn't turn out well for the Hawks. It wasn't limited to just the starters, at one point when the second unit was on the floor, Tracy McGrady looked visibly frustrated by his teammates non-movement. Atlanta got to the free throw line 10 times in the first half but only six more over the course of the rest of the game.

Defense:

Basketball is a game of give and take. If you allow dribble penetration then it forces help defense. If the defense has to help then it exposes you on the perimeter. If your rotations are slow then you are probably in for a long night. Up until Saturday night, Atlanta had done a pretty good job at cutting off dribble penetration and had done a decent enough job at closing out on shooters. They were a step slow from the tip on Saturday night and Houston made them pay.

Marvin Williams

Williams hit his first three shots and kept the Hawks in the game when they were making their early first quarter run. He ended up with nine points and four rebounds in just under 21 minutes of action and played sparingly in the second half. Tracy McGrady provides the Hawks with a nice veteran presence that is capable of hitting a shot or making the correct pass but Atlanta missed Marvin's rebounding in this game with the Rockets grabbing 11 offensive rebounds in the game. People often talk about the Hawks needing more from Marvin Williams but it is hard for him to deliver if he is sitting on the bench.

The Bench

McGrady ended up scoring 13 points and grabbing six rebounds in 25 minutes. Jannero Pargo and Willie Green combined to score 11 points on 5-10 shooting with two turnovers. Zaza Pachulia picked up two quick fouls in the first half which prompted the first appearance this season of Jason Collins. Collins didn't score a point or grab a rebound in just over five minutes but took a charge that sent Luis Scola to the bench with his third foul in the first half. Vladimir Radmanovic went scoreless missing all five of his shots from the field.

Summary

Hard to use the four games in five nights excuse when Houston was playing their third game in three days. It is also hard to use that excuse when that is going to be the norm with this compressed regular season schedule. For whatever reason, the Hawks simply didn't have it Saturday night and they will have an off day on Sunday to try to figure things out.

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expected a game like this

but this is where bench play is crucial so the starters won’t play so many minutes. Looking forward to this crazy 5-game in 7 days trip

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 1, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

wow so you're a Marvin "lover" lol.

+1 for making me chuckle! Happy New Years!

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Marvin Williams thing is getting to me. I don't remember him making any shots independently. Him hitting shots is a byproduct

of his teammates expending energy to create for him.

Why cant he create for his teammates? Block a shot and turn defense to offense. Isolate at the top of the key and score. Why doesn’t he draw a double team and find players?

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean I don't see how he was "playing well" when we need him to be more than what he's shown.

* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *

by PointGuardSlim on Jan 1, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Marvin was playing well

Still he was taken out in first half. I agree we can not have him sit down if he is playing well. He should have certainly gotten more minutes last night. Even if that means he has to play shooting guard. I am still not sure why he was taken out after his hot start. And the same treatment was given T-Mac in first half once T-Mac got going.

Last year, in Orlando, first game of the year, do you all remember we were leading and then LD went with bench play. Orlando then feasted on our bench, and all momentum was taken out our sails. This game last night, reminded me of that first game with Orlando from a bench usage perspective. Even though we never lead last night.

I take the Hamsters in the Kia commercial over LD coaching the Hawks any day

by ATLpaul on Jan 1, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

this was one of those games where if we had a REAL superstar we would have won…after seeing brooks young and martin i’d rather have them….joe is EXTREMELY frustrating…..yes josh has the most skills on the hawks squad but refuses to use it….every time i see him near the top of the key i wanna pull my hair out….he is suppose to rebound every one of al’s misses…it seems like the only person who wants to rebound is zaza….we need a coach to demand more out of smoove and joe…gettin rid of them wont solve much

by Don Von on Jan 1, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

EXACTLY

Its sad that T-MAC seems to be the only one willing to constantly attack the rim or create his own shot. I look at JJ like THEY REALLY ARE PAYING YOU FOR THIS????
Id trade JJ for wesly matthews and aldridge.

by HARDBODI82 on Jan 1, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

give drew some room to get a grip on the rotation for pete’s sake

by Botchelism on Jan 1, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

he gets slack for the bench players YES

but he should know what he has in his starters by now.

by HARDBODI82 on Jan 1, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

In most situations I give LD the benefit of the doubt and others around here will vouch for that

but one thing that was hard to defend last season was his rotations which never seemed to have a rhyme or reason and never really stabilized.

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Jan 1, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

rotation yes, but

how hard is it to play the players who are making baskets. I mean I’m FAR from the Marvin Williams apologist, but he was the best player in the first half, so for him to be forgotten in the second half is pretty inexcusable. I mean he could have gone small and played Marvin and T-Mc together. It’s not like we were getting good production offensively or defensively from JJ or Josh, so why not shake it up. i’d give him slack for trying that and getting burned than watching the same story and letting it not work or not playing teague because of whatever vendetta he has had against him for his entire career. The guy has only 8 real games under his belt with this being HIS team, so he’s going to make some mistakes – he’ll be inconsistent at times. That’s what you should expect if you don’t play him for 2 years. Learning how to be the leader of this team is a process and it doesn’t get learned by watching…So, show him the same respect you show Al, Josh, Joe, or even Bibby and Jamal when they were sucking for the many nights that that happens or happened

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

im with you 100% on your frustration with ld and teage

"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus

"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague

by Throw on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I get angry every time I think about it...

as angry as I can about sports, but I can’t think of a way that we’ve bungled Jeff Teague’s career to this point. I’m almost amazed that he’s been successful to any degree the way he’s being coached. It’s why I was so passionate about the fact that Acie Law IV may have been useful as a Hawk, but that he was almost set up to fail and just never recovered. He wouldn’t be the first player to ever just not get a chance, lose confidence and never recover. Chauncey Billups certainly didn’t look like a seasoned pro for his first 2 seasons, but when they handed him the keys a new player emerged…

Anyway, I’m just venting at this stage, but I can’t express how much I believe that players are ruined here more that developed. I believe the potential within Josh, Al, Marvin, and even Joe have been stunted simply by the fact that our coaches are horrible. Simply put..and yes, the ownership and management are not helping, but I really get sore thinking about how bad our coaching philosophy is.

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

you managed to sum up in words how I feel. why the heck do we limit teague and his scoring if thats what he does. Im also sick of how they just dont let him learn along with all the other young players

"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus

"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague

by Throw on Jan 2, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Conspiracy Theory

I reckon the ASG must force Drew to play the players with star power rather than those who are hot at any point in time (being that they’re more business minded than basketball fans, and having stars on the court will (in their minds) lead to more tickets sold). It’s the only reason I can think of why he doesn’t give extended minutes to the guys who are playing well for a stretch.

Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?

by Nique Fan on Jan 2, 2012 4:55 AM EST up reply actions  

That would assume that

the Hawks have players with star power. As I’ve often said, no one is coming to the arena to watch Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, or Al Horford as individuals. They come to see them win the games as Hawks, but not for their artistry as basketball players. The people would come to see Josh, Tracy, and Jeff in that order, so I don’t think this theory holds water. Maybe if we got Dwight Howard I could see it, but nah – just think it’s bad management…

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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