Orlando Sentinel ranks all NBA positions and loves them some Atlanta Hawks!
Think that last season's first round dumping of the Orlando Magic at the hands of the Atlanta Hawks doesn't still resonate in the hearts and minds of the Orlando media?
In a lockout-generated ranking of each position across the NBA, concluded late last week after over a month of going over every position, the Big 3 Atlanta Hawks, Al Horford, Josh Smith, and Joe Johnson, all made it onto their top 10 lists.
It's not surprising that they are on there, though Smith's inclusion on the Small Forwards list provided a sense that maybe only the Jason Collins-led, Dwight Howard killa, lineup was the only one looked at by the Sentinel, in that all three are discussed as Eastern All-Star representatives, thereby explaining their appearance on such lists.
You may be surprised at how highly they are thought of, starting at center, where despite the high LA press of Pau Gasol, the energy and Windy City pub of Joakim Noah, and his nice all-around, but not ever dominant game, Horford is ranked right behind Orlando's own at #2 center in the NBA.
Strengths: Horford offers a nice multi-talented package. He can shoot mid-range jumpers and jump-hooks as well as run the floor. A strong offensive rebounder, he can get out and start the break.
Weaknesses: Obviously, he plays out of position at center. Bigger players can shoot over him or muscle inside. His talents are more suited as a power forward.
The future: Horford is a cornerstone player for the Hawks.
Now, I'm never one to question a high ranking for a Hawk (and fellow Gator), but me thinks folks are projecting a bit much when it comes to Al.
He's a terrific guy, a hard worker, and very productive. But to take this kind of step and be worthy of a high rank like this, he has to progress beyond being the solid good guy who is just happy to be there and get more aggressive in games, something that may be stunted by his coach's negative reinforcement of such behavior. Today, he is a role player who is regarded as somewhat of a game changer. He has the clubs in his bag to be that, he just needs to break whatever mental shackles are there and use them.
But Horford is never short on positive press, likely because folks do want to reward his good-guy status and coach pleasing behavior, traits that have likely cost Smith his due on All-Star Weekend.
The fact that this positive press comes from the city that has seen Horford more than most and whose team ushered theirs out before expected might mean that the impact of that upset is still being felt.
While one could point to some statistics to make the case for #2 for Horford, the case for Joe Johnson being the 3rd best shooting guard seems much less certain.
Strengths: Johnson had an off-year, dealing with thumb and elbow injuries, but still made the all-star team. He is one of the league's premier one-on-one players, equipped with size to shoot over or post up smaller players. He averaged more than 20 points per game in Atlanta's first-round ouster of Orlando, and scored 34 points in Game 1 win against Chicago.
Weaknesses: J.J.'s numbers were down across the board, and he had a horrible year from 3-point range (29 percent). At age 30, he'll have to show next season he isn't on a decline.
The future: Johnson isn't going anywhere, not with his contact.
Doesn't exactly sound like a terrific endorsement of your #3 shooting guard in the NBA, eh?
Kevin Martin, who is annually underrated, produces more than Joe, as does Manu Ginobili, Monta Ellis, and younger players like Eric Gordon.
As is with his 5 year run as an All-Star, Johnson grits by on reputation, even as the folks that recognize him so highly note his decline. Projection and familiarity may lend itself positives for Joe here as well. He's a quiet guy who can beat you when he is going good, and provides a difficult matchup at the same time. And no team knows that better than Orlando, especially if one forgets what happened two years ago and only focuses on last year's victory over the Magic.
There is some sobriety, however, in the Sentinel's ranking of Smith:
Strengths: Smith is one of the NBA's most athletic players. That trait, combined with his length, makes him an elite defender - especially from the weak side - and explosive finisher at the basket. He's a rare guy who's quick enough to play small forward while also being big enough to play power forward, giving the Hawks some flexibility to go big or small at any time. He's an above-average scorer and rebounder for his position.
Weaknesses: Smith has an on-again, off-again relationship with his long-range jump-shot. He's a 28.2 percent three-point shooter for his career, but that didn't stop him from taking two such shots per game this past season; the year before, however, he only took seven three-pointers in 81 games. Smith takes an unwarranted amount of long two-point jumpers, as well, and doesn't make nearly enough of them. Smith's decision-making and lack of a polished offensive game hold him back from being a truly elite player.
The future: The Hawks, looking to cut payroll, were reportedly trying to trade Smith before the lockout, so Smith's days in Atlanta appear to be numbered. The Magic expressed some interest before the draft but couldn't strike a deal.
It's refreshing to see the discussion of Smith's jump shots go beyond the shallow "three point attempts" category and include his propensity for long jump shots in general.
Smith's follies are so evident that it will prevent him from attaining his desired status as "All-Star" as long as coaches continue to note his unwillingness to conform. It's not completely fair, considering his high level of production, but understandable considering the popularity contest that is the All-Star game. You must be a winner on the court and off, which is why Johnson and Horford get the love and Smith has yet to bask in the populist glory.
Still, those that know him well, like the Sentinel don't count it completely as loss, though he is ranked lower than those he is clearly more productive then, even through his obsession with the perimeter. Had he been ranked in the power forwards list, he should have bumped Carlos Boozer at same slot as he was among small forwards.
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I guess if I lost to a team playing Jason Collins at center against my MVP candidate when I had home court advantage then I would tend to exaggerate how good that opposing team’s players are too.
ditto
plus their all-star point guard was being destroyed by a guy that made the playoffs only one year before and being kept practically scoreless through the playoffs by kirk.
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
Well shouldn't this be a cause for
celebratory positiveness?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
lol
Strengths: Horford offers a nice multi-talented package. He can shoot mid-range jumpers [all assisted however] and run the floor. Can pass the ball.
A weak offensive rebounder at center, he can get out and start the break.
Weaknesses: Obviously, he plays out of position at center. However outside of pick and pop he isnt really a PF.
- He needs 90% of his mid-range jumpers to be assisted for past 3 years, a trend.
- Awkward running suggests he’ll never be fluid
- Bigger players can shoot over him or muscle inside.
- Frequently switches pivots after a silly ball fake
- close to 6’10 but plays like he’s an inch shorter,
- Erratic hook shot = 10ppg
Cant shoot over Brandon Bass, Ryan Andersen or muscle them inside.
Fixed. Smith is fat and cant go back to the 2009-2010 form until he loses to 233 lbs.
If he doesnt conform to that then trade him. But obviously Hawks tell Keith Benson to be 230 lbs + but dont have a problem with Smith becoming a slow jump shooter as long as the shots go in.
Drew is on record as saying he needed Smith to stretch the floor yet is “unhappy with his shot selection” when they dont go in.
Smith needs to cut out the 3 completely and go back to 230-235. Ideally the franchise would have communicated this on draft day.
Magic are silly and will gut any team to S&T Dwight Howard. They obviously want a trade for Smith and want big wings ie Justin Harper to ure their size woes.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VewxTUt3Nm0
how can Josh Smith block shots like he’s 6’10? length and (zone) positioning
how can Kevin Love rebound like he’s 7’0? strength and positioning
Probably plays like that because his 7’0 wingspan is mediocre length (compared to other NBAers) for his size.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yagOTtjrZ0Q
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it has nothing to do with.....
Josh being a slam dunk champion and coming into the league as a leaper or Kevin Love boxing out and keeping his hands up. It has nothing to do with wingspan and everything to do with technique and drive.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Let go of the stereotypes
Josh Smith’s career high in rebounds came this year when he was bigger and stronger.
How can you say its about drive? How come Steve Nash doesnt average 10 rpg? Hes not driven?
Horford isnt as driven as Love? Josh Smith wasnt boxing out when Joakim Noah piledrives into his back for an offensive board. Noah has no technique, he just hits our smaller guys people with intention to harm.
There is nothing really “driven” about Kevin Love’s technique. He’s a heavy cannonball with mobility and crashes weakside.
When Smith was lighter he was an offensive board threat but couldnt hold position on a box out as well.
Ralph Sampson had the drive to be a point guard but he couldnt he was too big, long and slow. Horford is too awkwardly uncoordinated to be a top face up scorer.
Everyone has “drive” and you cant question anyone’s heart just because Smith has an ugly release or Al cant crossover dribble or spin like guys with more length and Joe doesnt get fouled like guys with more length.
They have heart and have maximized their ability.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 29, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith is fat.
- Magic covet Smith (amongst others; they need size & skill players)
-saying Horford has a jump-hook is a bit disengenuous. Rondo can shoot jump shots from 15 feet in.
Its not their strength and their team is losing if they rely on that. Ie Hawks thinking Horford is a PF offensively. Defense yes, offense? no.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ok.....
Cant shoot over Brandon Bass, Ryan Andersen or muscle them inside
If you are talking about Horford than I have to disagree
@Kris_Willis
Horford's not perfect, no one is
-saying Horford has a jump-hook is a bit disengenuous. Rondo can shoot jump shots from 15 feet in.
Its not their strength and their team is losing if they rely on that. Ie Hawks thinking Horford is a PF offensively. Defense yes, offense? no.
I cant count the number of times Al drives baseline and gets pushed under the basket. Horford is good at a lot of things, namely assists. If you want to build around an elite passer cool. But lets not kid ourselves. Looking back 5 years the rhetoric has to be “we knew he wasn’t a good post player but his other assets and numerous accolades made us hope he’d develop into an elite post scorer”.
It can’t be “he had a good jump hook, multiple (coaches reserve) All Star. We took the plunge”. If Hawks fail at building around Horford, as opposed to looking at what suits Teague-Joe-Josh, Zaza and Marv (ie the entire team) then it has to be known. it has to be known they knew what they were getting into.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing to see here
Horford troll is troll
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
I think you're onto something
but due to the lockout you should reserve your comments and opinions until more peachtreehoop users are around. But for now crawl back into your hermit shell and drift out to the Mexican Gulf – I’ve been heard there’s a triangle that makes things disappear out there, I think your investigative skills would come in handy.
Back on board. Now time to trade Mays for Clausen
by supraman on Aug 22, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes reading about Smoove
is almost as embarrassing as reading about one of your family members being busted with a shit load of pot growing in their backyard.
@ I_20sFinest
smh
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Im pretty sure smith had to put on weight
cus he is forced to play pf.
but besides that, how come they didnt want to mention kirk. Honestly besides jamal, he was the one that kept us in the series by practically keeping jameer scoreless through the series
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
This article makes me also wonder
what the bulls think of Jeff Teague
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
thats what I think
but Im not sure… According to him he was at 245 around 09 iirc.
Maybe he’s 250? Either way he’s too heavy and his stamina speed and first step gives him an out to take the jumper. He needs to go back to whatever he was. Even if it hurts his ability to box out on defense.
Also his offensive boards suffered because of whatever weight he was at.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Were you sleeping this year during the Hawks Games?????????
Just as a reminder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJcVFT-E5SM&feature=related
and just so you are totally awake
thats what im saying
they made him put on weight so he wouldnt get pushed around so easily. but its not like he was slow, there were plenty of times I saw that he was faster than the guy he was being guarded by. I think some of the reason his athleticism suffered towards the end of the year was because of the knee injury he suffered during the nuggets game.
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
this
no ones saying he’s not athletic. Its just he’s not as athletic, especially in consideration of stamina, as before and it was painfully obvious .
He was “faster than the guy he was being guarded by” because he played PF most the time.
At SF he needs to be fast in transition and on defense. Deng should be nowhere able to compete with Smith if he were 2010 Smith.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not sure 2010 josh would've been much better
then again we may never know because of the great coaching woody did during our playoff runs. but I dont think deng really killed us, plus he seemed to do a good job on hedo in the first round
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
He is also not as young as he used to be
He has been in the league like seven years now? That is a long time and it takes a toll on a player no matter how young. That could be part of the reason for his loss of athleticism.
Personally I don’t think he has lost much, he just doesn’t try and dunk over the top of everyone the way he did when he first came in the league.
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Aug 22, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith has lost stamina, end to end speed and shot blocking
Smith has no excuse.
When he was first drafted he was 220.
I’m talking about 2008 – 2010 he was the same player, around 230.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/hawks-trio-shapes-up-137185.html
Josh Smith
Smith was 245 pounds of solid muscle early in the summer but has shed weight since then, mostly by accident, but his summer work was as much philosophical as it was physical.
"I wasn’t trying to lose it. I didn’t do it on purpose. But earlier in the summer I started working out twice a day and the weight just came off. I’m down to 230 now, and I really need to put five more pounds of muscle back on.
"I wanted to work more on my decision-making than anything. I handle the ball so much on the fast break and in transition that I wanted to make sure I’m thinking the game the way I need to be. I also worked on my handles and knocking down that mid-range jumper. I’m really not worried about the 3-point ball right now. We have so many guys on this team that can make that shot.
"I don’t have any business being out there this season with Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby, Jamal Crawford, Marvin, Mo and [Jeff] Teague all doing work out there. I have to focus on working in the cracks and making sure that people respect my mid-range game. And if they don’t, we have to make them pay for not respecting it."
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there anything documented that says he has "lost stamina, end to end speed and shot blocking"
or is that just your eye test?
and before you throw up his declining blocks per game stat there are many other factors that goes along with that stat and I don’t think any of them are tied to Josh’s declining athleticism or weight.
@Kris_Willis
No excuses, weight is a LOOSE END
I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone what he’s lost with the weight gain.
Doesn’t jump as high, slower than Luol Deng and starts sweating and making fatigue mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04kHGE8sSL0
Can’t execute moves as fast or get out as fast or defend.
Athletically he looks like a PF and that wasn’t the case before. Everyone sees that the weight is hurting his all around game which is based on athleticism.
Here is the end of the 2009 season. Now from the end of that season to the start of last season was 1 year.
2009: Josh Smith: Cavaliers@Hawks (Rd.2 Game4) Pt. 1 (of 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI8Q6l1Ysqg
2011: Josh Smith: Heat @ Hawks (3-18-11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpsfJmEOcek
Added to the fact he’s had nagging knee injuries this season.
Add to the fact that he’s a Gerald Wallace type who relies on athleticism so much and the Hawks are setting themselves up for failure.
He doesn’t need any excuses to take a jumper
Then take away his excuse.
* Make him the lose the weight
*Put him in a big lineup at the Power SF permanently, if he steps out of line bench him for Malcolm Thomas
CUTTING LOOSE ENDS
of course those lineups are predicated on retaining Pachulia and acquiring Motiejunas. Jordan Hill. and Hasheem Thabeet.
Iirc the Win Shares of the team adds up to 64% win percentage if everyone is (on average) as good as Zaza Pachulia.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Sep 7, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't need any excuses to take a jumper
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Aug 22, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
is there any other player in the nba
that takes so many stupid jumpers in a game? Its so frustrating cus we have seen how amazing he is when he is close to the basket…….. and well we all know the rest
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
2009: Josh Smith: Cavaliers@Hawks (Rd.2 Game4)
2009: Josh Smith: Cavaliers@Hawks (Rd.2 Game4) Pt. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI8Q6l1Ysqg
2009: Josh Smith: Cavaliers@Hawks (Rd.2 Game4) Pt. 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bl4feTyk7c
pt 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV5xtfFD2UE
pt 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kJsi7yJuHM
…….
2011
Luol Deng gives him problems smh. 2011 Josh was terrible in comparison to 2008,2009
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 22, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
of what i saw
josh was playing the 4 in the series because marvin was able to play the 3. And again josh had a knee injury these playoffs and your comparing it to a series 2 years ago where josh was able to play the 4 due to marvin not sucking because of his back injury.
Plus I think that we are not looking at the fact that deng is not that bad of a player.
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
well that and your showing josh guard lebron of all players
I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
Josh is heavier/sluggish
Smith in the past was able to stay in front of guys like Deng, Gay, Lebron etc and attack them on the other end.
As far as Smith “playing the 4” He is being defended by the 4. Marvin is not playing any position other than stretch forward. Thats what I want the more versatile Motiejunas for! Horford was injured off of a dribble move (big surprise) vs Miami and was looking worse than Thabeet out there. Try to grab rebounds and pass, dont shoot over CLE twin towers.
2009,2010 Smith can score on in the post on most 3s (too big) most 4s (too fast). I always compare him to a Bigger Gerald Wallace.
I have cut a 2011 Josh Smith vs Heat video to contrast. Just go to my channel.
Smith’s bulked up way too much. Especially for a guy who thrives in transition opportunities and slashing. Also would it be a stretch to say any injury he had (knee?) is probably injured because of extra weight?
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 29, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally off the subject
But I want to see our defensive intensity pick up this season. With a starting lineup of Teague/Kirk, Joe, Marvin, Smoove, and Al who is the weakest link? There is no reason why this team couldn’t be in the top 10 defensively.
@ I_20sFinest
I don't agree with a lot that PointGuardSlim has to say
but I do agree that Smoove definitely put on some weight. Whether it was on purpose or not, he was noticeably bigger throughout the last half of the season. I probably made mention of it during some of the game threads.
@ I_20sFinest
Now is the time
This is the time for him to tone up and get into shape, especially since this lockout is looking to last past the first few games of the regular season. I just think that he’s not disciplined enough to make the commitment to his body.
"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Aug 23, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s playing the PF and just had his best Defensive rebounding season why lose weight?
I said lose weight to play the SF after we trade Al and minimize Smith’s role on offense to posting up SFs, Joe post up SGs occasionally etc.
As is in a small ball lineup he has no reason too change, he said he’ll play wherever the team puts him, indicating willingness.
Team has not told him to lose weight and play the SF full time. Only roster changes I’ve heard are for helping Horford on defense. At PF he loses his All Star offensive ability and quickness advantage however and thats why we’ve yet to add a full time defensive center!
Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hawks want to put Al next to a jumpshooting/soft center to help Al on offense.
In 1957, the team advanced to the Finals, losing to the Boston Celtics in a double-overtime thriller in game seven. In 1958, the Hawks again advanced to the NBA Finals where they avenged their previous year's defeat against the Boston Celtics, winning the series 4-2. Bob Pettit scored 50 points in Game 6 in front of a crowd of 10,218 in St. Louis. The victory gave the Hawks their first and only NBA Championship.
by PointGuardSlim on Aug 29, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Another off the subject post..I'm all over the place this morning.
Did anybody read the article about the 5 NBA players who should take their talents overseas? Jamal Crawford was listed. I’ve read that article 3 times and I cannot figure out if the author is applauding JC or making fun of him. Comments about his FT shooting and his dribbling skills were just perplexing to me. The article, which I didn’t read in it’s entirety because of the above stated reasons, was difficult to follow. Someone please break it down.
@ I_20sFinest
I have a post coming on that hopefully this afternoon
I don’t think he was making fun of him he just has a firm grasp of who Jamal is.
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Aug 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

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