2011 NBA Playoffs: Hawks Fall To Bulls 99-82, Trail 2-1 In Series
After three games in this series a few things have become very apparent. Atlanta can't win this series if they continue to lose the battle of the boards at the current rate and they can't overcome a superhuman performance from Derrick Rose. It is also apparent that if the Hawks are to have any hope in Game 4 and beyond, then they must find a way to put Al Horford and Josh Smith into positions where they can be successful offensively.
After Game 1's offensive explosion by Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford, Chicago adjusted the game plan and none of Atlanta's adjustments have proven effective.
Defense
At first glance last night, it felt like the Bulls had a much better offensive night as a team. When looking at the box score, I now think that was only partly true. The biggest difference was the MVP performance of Derrick Rose scoring 44 points on 27 shots. Rose has hoisted 27 shots in each of the three games of this series but the difference in Game 3 was that he hit 16 shots including 4-7 from deep and 8-9 from the free throw line. Other than Rose, the Bulls got 24 combined points from Kyle Korver and Taj Gibson but it was really a lot of Rose and very little of anything else for Chicago.
Atlanta used the let one player get his points and stop everyone else strategy effectively in the first round, but given their offensive struggles against the Chicago defense, Atlanta can't withstand a super human effort from Rose.
Offense
Once again it was a discombobulated effort offensively. There is a little bit of good mixed in with a lot of bad over the course of 48 minutes. The problem is at this point of the season, there isn't room for a lot of struggles. The Bulls are too good a defensive team for Atlanta to make things hard on themselves. Yet that is exactly what they do many times. A perfect example is Atlanta's execution on the fast break. You have no doubt heard me harp on it before but I don't think I have ever seen a team be less fundamental on the fast break than this Hawks club. Instead of sprinting for a lay up, Atlanta can routinely turn a two on one, or three on one break into a three point attempt.
That pretty much sums up this Hawks team on offense in my mind. They do very little to make things easier on themselves and a lot of their wounds are self inflicted. That isn't meant as a shot at the Chicago defense because they may in fact be the best defensive team in the league, but against Atlanta sometimes they don't have to be at their best.
Rebounding
In Game 1, the Hawks out rebounded Chicago 38-37. In Game 3, Atlanta surrendered 18 offensive boards while being out rebounded 47-34 overall. Joakim Noah has been the biggest catalyst in this charge. After that Game 1 loss, in addition to making defensive adjustments there is little doubt in my mind that Tom Thibodeau challenged his team about their rebounding in Game 1 and they have responded. If Atlanta hopes to compete in this series the rest of the way then they have to cut into the rebounding advantage the Bulls have. That isn't done by relying on Al Horford and Josh Smith to play better. That is rather done by all five players on the court making a concerted effort to rebound. Smith and Horford have to do a better job of putting a body on Noah, but the entire Hawks team has to pick up their play on the boards.
Looking to Game 4
As we look to Game 4, the single biggest positive surrounding the Hawks is the play of Jeff Teague. All the second year guard has done in this series has been be the Hawks best player on the floor over the course of the three games. We will get into what Teague's play means long term after the playoffs but he has taken his seized his opportunity in one of the most difficult situations available.
The Bulls have shown that they are not going to make it easy for Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford to beat them. They have routinely doubled both players in an effort to get the ball out of their hands. That places a lot of the pressure to play well on the shoulders of Al Horford and Josh Smith. It hasn't happened so far for Horford, and Smith probably had his best game of the series in Game 3. Still Atlanta needs more from both player and needs Smith to go inside from the beginning and not after testing the limits of his jump shot.
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we nee either pachulia or collins to start
or Smith off the bench
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
If Larry Drew doesn't sense this reversion of good play and do something about the rotation
I really hope somebody asks him about that
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I don't think Collins is the answer.
Noah isn’t that big a threat to score without getting an offensive rebound and Collins isn’t a great rebounder.
@Kris_Willis
playing physical is what he does best
We really don’t know if he’s not a threat if he doesn’t get the ball. How in the Orlando series he made so many plays and played physical and all of a sudden him and Zaza can’t get in the rotation? He doesn’t need to score….in the last game he cleared out for Teague for a wide open layup and got no credit for it nor a foul on Boozer who pushed him out the way to get to Teague. These guys have intangibles that obviously everyone is forgetting that helped win the Orlando series. What’s the difference is those guys and Wilkins not getting quality minutes with the starters……and not with one or two starters and Jamal……That in no way puts them in any position to be successful.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
+1
Collins doesn’t need to score or chase the rebound. As stated above, he has the basketball IQ to put a body on his man when the shot comes off the rim. As pointed out previously Noah is averaging 7.5 offensive caroms the last 2 games, so someone needs to box him out on the Hawks’ defensive glass.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Look I can go along with the starting Zaza thinking
but having Collins play 20 minutes and grab one rebound isn’t going to help at all. Particularly when they are already having monumental struggles on the offensive end. Playing Collins gives Chicago a player they don’t even have to look at when they are on defense.
@Kris_Willis
That is a good point, I guess I see it as a chance to stop Noah allowing the Bulls second chances in offense by way of his offensive boards
and the lack of attack to the defensive glass by our bigs.
The suggestion of having Collins start is almost a reaction to the lack of fundamental basketball that has been displayed by the Hawks starters (sans Teague in that list) in the past 2 games, and the lack of aggression that has been shown by our front line. I think I’m just desperate to see the Al Horford that went for 31 & 16 against the Bulls in February.
The lack of movement on offense when JJ or Jamal are being double teamed is downright disappointing to watch.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
I don't think this current lineup is the answer either
It would only work if they double DRose when he touches the ball like they do Johnson. If it’s good them….why not us? With this lineup we give up rebounding (mainly Josh being out of position) and scoring (because the more likely plays are Iso-plays which leaves players standing around waiting for a pass to hoist a jumper) If our bench isn’t the answer what is?? Our top heavy rotation pales in comnparision right now to the Bulls 8 and 8 deep rotations of quality minutes.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
What you really are asking for is a seven footer with a pulse
One of those, unfortunately we don’t currently have – so everything is a compromise, play Lion vs Noah, and Noah is taller, same as the problem against many other centers in the league for us. Play Collins and he may draw a charge and foul hard, but you then would have to give up Smoove or more probably Marvin in the lineup. That then hurts on the wings.
that's a good thing
like i said, the roster is top heavy and the balance is lost. This small lineup is borderline to the worst lineup we’ve got against them if they don’t play to their strenghs
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I said it after the Game 2 loss. We are getting crushed on the boards and playing Collins or Zaza will
greatly improve our chances. Plus it would then put Gibson or Boozer on Horford which means better opportunities to score and then it puts Smith on Deng, which (if he plays smart) means easy opportunities in the post. Collins might not snag a lot of boards, but he puts a body on guys. He allows our leapers to go get balls because he is boxing our their biggest rebounding threat. I also believe starting that lineup improves our bench by bringing Marvin in to help. He playing outstanding off the bench against Orlando. He has sucked it big time against the Bulls. I don’t think we should double team Rose, let him get his and get rebounds. If we had rebounded with this team the past two games we might be up 3-0. Getting out rebounded by almost 20 gives you no chance at winning.
by BravesFanScout on May 7, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The reason I say double Rose
is because IF the bulls get to the championship game he will be doubled and someone else will show the hawks how to defend him when they supposed to already know.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Playing Collins gives Chicago more ammo to throw at the Hawks defensively
and Atlanta is already struggling to score.
@Kris_Willis
I don't see
how that is different than playing anybody else right now. Besides, we scored more with Collins starting in the last series than we did the last two games. And also, scoring is the least of our worries if the current guys can’t get above 90 points in 48 minutes.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
and really it's not about Collins
It’s about needing size and effort and whoever has that has to help Horford. (Not Josh cause he isn’t helping anybody)
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Kris you've gotta see what Collins brings to the table
He brings a body to put on Noah. Noah is pushing our guys under the basket and tipping the ball out to other players and even bringing down a ton of offensive rebounds. Collins will keep that from happening. He will allow Horford and Josh to get to those rebounds. The offense is the 2nd part of our worries. The first is keeping them off the offensive glass. We have no chance if we can’t keep that from happening.
Collins also gives the Hawks favorable matchups on the offensive end. Al would be guarded by Boozer/Gibson and Smooth would be guarded by Deng. Joe Johnson not scoring hasn’t been our problem. Josh and Al have been MIA for most of this series. We’ve got to get them going in the post… this would help.
Collins also makes our bench deeper. Having Marvin come of the bench was great in the Orlando series. He really brought nice energy in all of the games and carried us in game 6. Having him out there with Jamal would make that second unit more competitive.
by BravesFanScout on May 7, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have seen what Collins brings to the table
Look I am not saying not to play him but in this instance I think Zaza is the better choice.
@Kris_Willis
that might work start Z and Move Al to the 4
Run th p&R with Al and Teague….They are going to DBL Joe so as soon as they come pick him up at the 3 pt line…move the ball two quick passes should catch the D out of place. I still think the Hawks have a great shot to even this series up Sunday…when they move the ball they can score against this team. In the last 2 games they have come back from 15 plus 4 or 5 times. I know Drew will get this team a win Sunday..a few tweaks and changes.
Zaza is good a drawing contact
Plan 1) I know this is going to sound wierd, but i would run the offense through zaza. Let him take the ball to the rim drawing contact and put noah in foul trouble.
Plan 2) start marvin at PF and start wilkins at SF. Marvin and smooth are About the same size. On offense, CHI cant leave marvin open like they do smooth. That takes the double team from joe and jamal.
by PChawksFan on May 7, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok, I'm not going to touch plan 2 with a ten foot pole.
I think plan 1 has some merits, at least in the idea of going hard at Noah, and seeing if you can get him into foul trouble.
by RamblininAlb on May 7, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish we could put Marvin and Josh into one body
Marvin needs to be the one taking those shots…Hubie pointed it out that Josh doesn’t roll to the basket after the pick is set he floats away from the hoop….one bright spot is that LD has a few words with Josh and then he scores or assist on 6 straight points….all by attacking the basket
Damn straight
On the point about the fast breaks. Next time you talk to Joe ask him if he’s afraid of the paint. I believe it was he and JT who had a two on one, JT passes to Joe who has a pretty wide open lay up/dunk, but instead he dribbles out to the three point line.
Also ask the whole team if they are afraid to touch Rose. I’m sure some of the timidity comes from LD benching Al for the majority of the first half after two fouls last series, but there has to come a point where when he drives he gets a nice hard foul in return for his effort, nothing dirty mind you, just a good hard foul.
He didn't dribble out to the three, He posted there for the pass, when Teague was driving at the defender in the paint.
Hubie called him out on it too.
by RamblininAlb on May 7, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
This
So much this.
Even if we lose, I want Rose to feel it each time he enters the lane. Why not use the hack-a-Dwight/Shaq philosophy on Rose?
Rose’s #1 asset is his ability to penetrate. If he hesitates for even a split second for fear of getting beaten, the Hawks will be okay.
Game 3 was more about Rose playing his best game ever. He won’t repeat that performance in Game 4, but the Hawks can’t sit around watching…we need to take matters into our own hands.
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
An uphill battle is what Hawks face
Nothing new, for a franchise that has never made it past this round. We are used to uphill battles. At least we are not in as bad a shape as Lakers.
Frankly it is a bit fuzzy for me from last night. I think it is hard, perhaps impossible, to beat the Cows if Rose plays like he did. I mean he was making every shot possible. It was uphill all night. Why did LD take a timeout after 40 seconds? Can someone explain that to me? I mean it was only like 4-0. And why did Rose take a free throw right at beginning of the second half?
The positives, Ladies and Gentlemen we have ourselves a point guard.
ASG is lucky to have Teague on the team. At this point, the playoffs have been extremely good for the Hawks.
1. We know to how to beat Orlando, and that we can do it. That is a huge accomplishment.
2. We have a point guard which means our search is over. Now we have to fill out center gap
3. To fill the center gap this next off-season, shop Captain Kirk around. Assuming Lakers have their eyes on muscleman, Bynum may be available. Or perhaps Gasol. Even though Gasol is not a center, I take him in a trade.
I liked the TO
It was clear that they were not executing from the tip. I have no problem whatsoever with the timeout.
@ I_20sFinest
I think Drew talked about it in one of MC's post game write ups
He said that he didn’t want to take it there but he didn’t like the effort he was seeing in transition defense.
@Kris_Willis
But Paul...
we’ve had ourselves a pg all year. The problem is, we’ve strapped him to the bench. Corrections for problems like PG or Josh, are obvious, we just don’t make those corrections.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Rose shot a FT at the start of half two because Crawford was called for a T at the end of the first half.
LD took a TO early because JJ one the fist possession pounded the ball the entire possession and then took a crap shot and missed. If you prepare 48 hours for a game and that’s your first play of the game then you need a TO bad. I’m a Bulls fan and if one of the Bulls players did that you bet Thibs would take a TO and bitch slap the asshole on the spot.
by adocarbog on May 8, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
jeff teague ,been criticized by D.Wilkin
And yes, Jeff Teague been criticized by his basketball play by D.Wilkin all seasons long ,and coach Drew fail to play him in regular season ,he is now your best player on the
Team, and the best point guard you have on the team ,this team do not know talent ,went they see it .
Hate to say I told you so but...
it’s been a while since I posted here but I feel like I needed to in memory of Jeff Teague
The Jordan Schafer Fan Club.
No need to just stop by for an, "I told you so"
You can always come back and join the discussion, at any time, we like lively conversation round here.
True
He just becomes impossible to guard when he is making those. I was watching him over an hour before the game started, practicing. I swear he was not missing not one shot from inside the three point line. Those were long two he was taking.
But he was missing some of his threes. Most their team was out practicing. I never saw that with Orlando.
Is discouraging watching your so called "superstar" put his head down like a coward when things are going his way.
Joe Johnson has been MIA the past two games. If he wants to be a superstar tell Josh Smith to stop shooting jumpers. Be the leader of this team. You don’t have to put up big numbers every night, but you have to be a leader and get other guys going and doing what makes this team successful.
Joe Johnson
Will. Never. Be. A. Superstar.
He won’t. It’s not part of his make-up. He’s going to be a perennial All Star, but he’ll live a tier down from the likes of Rose, Bryant, Wade, and James.
He’s a good player, but when the going gets tough, more often than not, Joe backs down.
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
Wanted: better post play
The Hawks need some toughness down low. They let Joakim Noah go off for 15 rebounds, including eight offensive, despite Carlos Boozer essentially napping the whole game. Even Taj Gibson got 11 boards off the bench for the Bulls. Marvin and Al and Joe Smith gotta do a better job boxing out and getting to loose balls if the Hawks want a chance in this series. Check it out:
what do the grizzlies have that we dont
cuz that was a great comeback….if your answer are intangibles then how do you coach that???
My suggestion is we try to get Tony Allen, Marc Gasol & maybe OJ Mayo
I love Allen’s toughness & leadership qualities.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
A few points
1. The entire team did not match the level of defense intensity that Chicago exhibited. Not saying we didn’t play hard, but they were physical making it hard to catch, pass, drive, or shoot. We seemed content to stay tight and contest shots but didn’t make them hurt.
2. I’m all for starting Zaza over Marvin, but it won’t help unless point 1 is addressed.
3. Josh didn’t shoot enough jumpers to be scapegoated for the loss. He had some bad shots from outside, but not as many as before and very few were quick in the shot clock. Also sometimes his teammates pass on a good shot because Josh is wide open not understanding that is what the defense wants. Everyone needs to understand what is a good shot. Josh could have played a perfect offensive game and it wouldn’t have overcome the difference in defensive play between the teams.
4. Teague can penetrate on the defense, but the rest of the team needs to move (or move quicker) to create exploitable advantages. He’s created pop opportunities for Al, but Al’s struggled with Noah rushing back to him. Al needs to get either more separation or possibly pump fake and dribble a step over to get a clear look or maybe just focus on the shot and not rush it in anticipation of Noah getting there. That’s just the Al examples.
5. I’m starting to wonder about Drew coaching through the media. The headline before game 3 was Drew confronting Josh Smith about his shot selection. Today the headline was Drew questioning Joe about his handling of the double team. Both are valid points, but I’m concerned with the delivery method. Does it indicate the players didn’t respond to direct communication so he has to go to the media to get the point across? Having to coach in the media or choosing to coach that way just don’t seem like positive indicators to me.
lol we have ourselves a younger george karl (in LD)
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
D.RIVIN U.NDER M.Y O.WN I.NFLUENCE
by big_p.a.w.z. on May 7, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You make good points, all, but I want to address, point 5.
Players on this team, often seem unresponsive to direct communication from the coach. Between games, or during timeouts. They blow off LD, the way they did Woody. They are told to stop taking bad shots, and will take a hotly contested 3, on the very next possestion, early in the shot clock. I don’t know if the answer is a more forcefull coach, better backing by management, or a combination of the two, but this is a problem that is at least three years old.
If Rose only gets 20 we win
Get the ball out of his hands..make someone else do the scoring….give Teague the green light on just about every play down the court…they can’t guard him either

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