CBS Sports: Boy, Josh Smith sure is blowing it
A little late posting this as I was trying not to be both self-congratulatory and suicidal after Game 5.
Gregg Doyel looks at Josh Smith and determines a couple of things:
1. Josh Smith is supremely talented.
2. He's throwing his potential away, one jump shot at a time.
To ardent Bird Watchers, this is every bit as current news as the franchise moving from St. Louis to Atlanta. Translation: Duh.
But chalk Doyel up as yet another national voice that has joined the legion of Hawks fans in pleading with Smith to ditch the Jeff Malone act and be more Karl Malone.
Bet it hit rim?:
He should be soaring to greatness, but he long ago attached a cinder block to his shoes, and everyone knows the cinder block in question. It's his perimeter shooting. For some reason Smith is intent on proving to someone, maybe just himself, that he can score from the outside. And given his insistence on shooting from out there, he can. It's a volume thing -- shoot enough from 18 feet, from 20 feet, even from beyond the 3-point arc, and a few shots will fall. That's the statistical lie that emboldens Smith to keep firing from the perimeter:
I don't miss every time.
Doyel actually considers Smith to be among the most talented players in the game and even puts him perhaps above Carmelo Anthony. But unlike some of the names on his list, it's another uber-talent, unfortunately, that Doyel compares Smith's career to:
Josh Smith is one of the nicest, one of the most infuriating, one of the most disappointing players in the NBA. That's a complicated combination, because tearing into Josh Smith doesn't come easy. He's a sweetheart of a guy, humble, helpful. You want others in the NBA to be like him, off the court.
On the court? You want nobody to be like him on the court. Because on it, he's maddening. He's frustrating. Watching Josh Smith now is like watching Vince Carter back when Carter was one of the most talented players in the world, but a guy who just didn't give a crap.
This story isn't about Vince Carter, which is too bad because I'd love to tear into that guy. Carter should have been a Hall of Famer, and maybe he will be in spite of himself -- in spite of his passionless, ring-less, pointless career. Well, his career wasn't entirely pointless. Vince Carter has managed to score 20,050 of them, but he should have done more than score a lot and win a little. He should have been an all-time great, not a more acrobatic World B. Free.
That's where Josh Smith is headed. He's headed toward Vince-ville. Not because he's a one-dimensional scorer like Vince Carter, but because he's an all-world talent who doesn't maximize his potential for greatness.
Ouch. Seriously, what's next, some side by side shots of Smith with Derrick Coleman?
But for all of our hand-wringing about Smith and his on-court decisions, what can be done about it? The choice is obviously Smith's and Doyel thinks he's found the origin of his misguided Dell Curry-esque dreams:
The problem is, nobody has ever told Smith he's a low-post player. When he was in high school and AAU ball, his coaches allowed him to play on the wing. He played on the same AAU team as Dwight Howard and Randolph Morris, so there really was no room for him in the lane. He hovered around the perimeter, going inside whenever he wanted to dunk on somebody, but staying outside whenever he wanted to prove to himself that he didn't miss every time.
When Smith chose Indiana, then-Hoosiers coach Mike Davis told me that Smith would revolutionize the wing position in college -- and maybe he was right, if by revolutionize the wing position he meant that Smith would be a wing who couldn't score outside of 10 feet. We never saw it, because Smith entered the 2004 NBA Draft out of high school and went 17th overall.
Finally, Doyel implores Smith to do what he actually does best, play inside and tells Smith that's what the best players in the league do:
The difference in those guys and Smith is that those guys know who they are. Stoudemire, Love and Griffin are low-post players. They don't pretend otherwise. They get the most out of their ability because they play where they should play.
Smith plays where he wants to play, and he wants to play on the wing. And he'll never have the Basketball Hall of Fame plaque to show for it.
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I think it's safe to say Josh Smith is the Hawks most important player
When he plays inside we have a great chance to win every night (the only reason we didn’t win game 5 was because of the total suckage from Jamal and Joe)
When he doesn’t play with energy and inside it makes the game so much more difficult for the team. You end up needing a lot of production from Zaza/Al in terms of rebounding
by BravesFanScout on May 12, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
TRUTH BOMB!
Love the article, but this will have one of two possible outcomes:
1. Josh says, “Hey…maybe he’s right.”
2. Josh says, “I’ll show him who can’t shoot jumpers!”
Seems like all season, Josh has been doing the latter rather than the former. Let’s hope he continues his new found hustle and interior play.
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How many times doesthe chance for #1 come and go...
before we realize Josh is stuck on #2. Maybe the deafening roar of every commenter the NBA has saying it will finally cause the obvious changes Doyel describes to happen, but after this long, I doubt it.
If only those Stars and Celtics could have made a deal, considering they had great Gs, which the Celtics lacked at the time, and the Stars similarly needed better bigs.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on May 12, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
No matter the future for Smoove
I keep him for good. Too much upside to give away for anything that we could realistically have
After 7 years here
We’re still talking about the same upside that was the exact discussion when he was in his second year. He’s been almost exactly the same guy for 5 full seasons, now. And the fun thing about the younger Josh is that, if he got mad, or embarrassed, he would respond by driving inside in and posterizing somebody. Now he pops out to the three point line and tries to hit a jumper.
And after seven year he has matured
Why don’t people see that change?
Yes he is not Lebron. But take him for what he is, a great talent, and still can get better.
Josh’s one problem with taking jump shots seem to blind people to every other attribute he brings.
If that is the case, you may as well get rid of Lion and JJ and JAmal
Josh has more than 1 problem, first of all. His effort is uneven, and sometimes he refuses to block out or give full effort, even in playoff games. He sulks, he refuses to get back down the court, and he’ll argue with officials instead of playing through when he should be defending his man.
And that 1 problem you have is the difference between him being an ELITE player who could be starting an All-Star game, forget just making one, and what he is. He makes 2/3 of every shot he takes within 5 feet of the basket. He makes just over 30% of his midrange jumpers. He makes well under 30% of his three point shots. But he continues to take them, and the division of his shots inside vs. out continues to be about 50/50, at best. His response to people pointing out that it’s not where his strengths lie is usually to dismiss them (“I’ve been a pretty good jumpshooter the whole season,”) or to ignore them entirely.
It’s the kind of flaw that really diminishes his value because the other team doesn’t need to defend him. And he’s a guy that they SHOULD be defending. Instead, though, he drifts out and they just barely have a man checking him while the defenses attention remains more heavily focused on JJ or Horford, and the only good Josh Smith can do on a possession is to be wide open at the end of the shot clock-which isn’t a virtue. He doesn’t end up in a position where he’s a useful rebounder and he doesn’t represent a threat without the ball in his hands.
May as well get 3 players to replace him before offering him up
Hawks don’t have a center. Smoove acts as the center for this team. No matter who plays the position in name, Smoove is the center of this team.
In addition to small forward. In addition to power forward. In addition to energy guy.
He is the one that is asked to fill those roles. No one else. Because he can
Some of the confusion is because of what he is asked to do, because he is so versatile.
A better coach will get Smoove to play at an extra ordinary level. I am not giving up on the most talented Hawk to have him be replaced with a role player. That is the side of the equation that people don’t look at.
If any one thinks we be competitive with a role player in place of Smoove vs. Bulls or ORlando, they are dreaming.
Until you find same value on the market, those arguments you have against him, while valid, are stuff we have to live with and wait for even more improvement
Seriously?
if he’s the C, SF, and PF, where is Horford playing? He’s a great talent, but I’m of the opinion this “upside” we keep seeing will never show itself, at least not here. And it’s not worth waiting on if you can get quality players that fit with the future of this franchise and can help it grow, not stagnate like Josh.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Horford's really more of a guy that will shut down one player
His help defense is nowhere near as good as Josh. His rebounding is good and his strength and quickness make him relatively effective switching onto almost any player in the league, but Josh forces far more turnovers than Al does.
Nice response...
it’s wholly irrelevant to what I said, but nice response and I’d agree. Although I wouldn’t say his rebounding is “good”. He’d need to do a better job of attacking the glass, especially offensively, and boxing out defensively, for me to say that. He gets rebounds, but I think that’s more natural athleticism than positioning, effort, etc. If he studied rebounding like Rodman, he could snag 20+ per.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Because that maturation hasn't shown itself in his game...
as a person, he’s matured. As a player, he’s even more frustrating now than he was 5 years ago, and plays away from his strengths more now offensively than he did 3 years ago. He’s maturing as a person not as a player.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I wonder how many hours of research these national writers have had to devote to the Hawks
We all know they don’t watch Hawks games and while much of what he says it’s true, I can’t help but think he’s just writing something he’s heard or read elsewhere.. Has Greg Doyel had anything to say about the Hawks prior to this series? I bet they’re working Google and Wikipedia overtime these days.
@cocoqt81
The story is true
but I believe you. The Hawks are somewhat in the spotlight right now, and all of a sudden I’ve got co-workers (people who have seen one Hawks game this century) telling me about how this team lacks consistency.
lol
yea everyone at the bar i went to the other day had not watched a Hawks game this year other then when they faced Miami, LA or Boston.
What?
You mean the season didn’t start a few weeks ago?
"Insert witty and/or funny quote here" ~ The Person Who Spoketh Said Quote.
For me, no, it didn't...
when more than 50% of your teams are in the post season, and the post season takes 3 months, I have a hard time paying attention before then.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Who cares?
I guess I get it. The writer is like another Jonny come laetly. But the truth is that other than Josh’s outside jumpers and his sometimes laziness, he is a phenomenal basketball player. Love watching him play, when he plays hard.
Remember in game 5 when he made two amazing blocks? Well one was a block and the other was ruled a goal tend because his hand went through the hoop…. but anyways, he got after it.
The problem is that he could have made a rebound right before that and secured the ball. His blocks wouldn’t have been necessary. Instead, he stood there indifferently and watched, WATCHED the Bulls get a rebound. And then he woke up.
Come one Josh, you are the man, play like it all the time. Be one of the greats, please!!
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on May 12, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the rest of the team?
He blocked Rose’s shot, we got the rebound. The outlet pass was thrown away (not by Josh). Josh is under the hoop by himself against a Bulls break. He blocks one dunk attempt. The Bulls get the ball back and he blocks (goaltends) the second block attempt. Where are the rest of the Hawks during this Bulls v. Josh situation?
True, the Hawks aren't a big national draw or story during the season
Kind of most of the league. But let’s not forget that we’re in the playoffs now. No game overlap – people aren’t “wasting” time on their team of choice. Nothing is standing between watching the Hawks and Bulls play ball. Doyel’s job is to write about basketball, and we’re now down to just a few teams to write about.
You think Doyel couldn’t write this article after catching a couple of regular season games, the playoffs, and checking the stat lines? If he wrote about nothing other than the Bulls series itself, he could accurately say Josh spends way too much time on the perimeter.
I mean, are you just criticizing him in general, or are you actually debating the merits of what he wrote?
I think she's challenging the assertion
That he’s long been a follower of Josh Smith, and has often had feelings about his talent level versus his production. I kind of question myself if this is something that he’s seriously thought about in the past, as he seems to mention, or if it’s more of an idle thought he caught during one of the Hawks’ few national TV games and then just didn’t care about until this series.
i am criticizing national writers in general
Making definitive assessments of a team they’ve watched play 4 times. Josh is an easy target. No one bothers to analyze the Hawks. They just say, “same old Hawks”. If you read half the stuff pertaining to this series you’d think the Bulls have been the model of consistency. Like I said, what he says is true, but let’s stop pretending Greg Doyel watches Hawks games when there are other options.
@cocoqt81
by Co Co on May 12, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Clearly he doesn't
He seriously said that JAMAL CRAWFORD is our second best player. Like, he was being totally serious, and he said that. I don’t have to point out that he also said that Al Horford was our fourth best player.
Still does not mean he’s wrong.
It's just comes across as an odd time to criticize national writers
I’m one of the first on the “they generally suck” bandwagon. It drives me crazy when all the highlights are of MIami, Boston, LA, etc – oh, but they lost the game.
But I don’t think he needs to watch more than a few games from season to season to take note that Josh is still chucking jumpers. He’s incredibly talented, and I don’t doubt his basketball IQ – it just doesn’t seem to translate into his own play far too often.
They all are saying
that Jamal Crawford is a key because of what happened in round 1, but are completely misunderstanding the point that Jamal just stepped up where our best players didn’t and therefore we still won the series, but it’s lazy to act like Jamal is anything more than our arguably 4th best player (and I say arguably only because Jeff has only been playing for 5 games).
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on May 12, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I despise Doyel, but he's not all wrong
Actually that was kind writing by Doyel. For the most part he’s made his living saying nothing positive about his column subjects. By the way the same criticisms of Josh’s long distance shooting can be made of Lebron James and Dewayne Wade. Sure all three can make the shot and Josh barely edged Lebron for the best percentage of the group from 3 point range this year, but in the case of all 3 the defense is actually happy when they settle for the long bomb because they can do much more damage taking it to the hole. Josh isn’t on the Lebron or Wade level. He doesn’t have as strong of handle nor is he as thick as Lebron, and he definitely doesn’t get the foul calls as often. They all have a tendency to settle for the easy long bomb for reasons of their own whether it be to avoid contact, mix it up, or just stubborn pride. I know from his comments that Josh is tired of being nagged, but maybe one day the light will go on. It isn’t that he can’t make the shot, it’s about what has the greater odds of success and what it opens up for his teammates as the overall success of the team.
This article might actually help because it doesn’t tell Josh he can’t as much as it says how much he can be if he embraces the role. Plus Josh can always continue to develop the long shot and use it when he’s no longer physically capable of destroying the defense down low.

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