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SLAM: Al Horford is a star.....even if he doesn't think so.

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Not exactly a surprise, but a good feature on a favorite topic as we head toward Game 5 tonight, the goodness that is Al Horford.

The author, Tracy Weissenberg, quotes Doc Rivers, Alvin Gentry, and teammate Joe Johnson in telling the story about just how darned loved Horford is around the league.

Quoth Gentry:

"I don't know if there's a guy that works harder in the League than him. You know on the offensive end, the defensive end, rebounding."    

Hawks fans love Al and all his hard work, but want more. Horford is a very generous player...sometimes too generous on a team of willing takers. Statstically, he is the most efficient player, but often defers to the "stars" on the team, like Johnson.

It's a trait that Rivers calls out as well, highlighting Horford's reticence to include himself among the category of "stars"

I love him, I love watching him. I was just telling someone, of all the All-Stars, coaching the All-Star team, he was hands down-it was't even close-my favorite guy. Just the way he carries himself. He made a comment to me, ‘Coach, don't worry about playing me, I just want to play one stint. This is about the stars.' And I said, ‘You know, you're one of those guys.' Man he's so unassuming-and you knew it was for real."    

This sort of humility has manifested itself in Horford's own growth process. Having learned to submit his own talent for the good of team at Florida, he never bristled when relegated to near bystander status his first few years under Mike Woodson. Such limitation of his role stunted on court work on his post game, which is still very mechanical and has nested this deferment mentality in Horford, even when open late in games.

Horford calls this a "winning approach" and playing the game the "right way" as a path to a championship. 

What I believe, and other coaches are seeing too, is that the "right way" should also include a larger, well earned, role for Horford, much work this offseason on his post game, and more trips back to AS game and playoffs for the Hawks.

Even more, Horford himself needs to work on his own perspective, as the Hawks need a strong confident leader on the team, one who knows he's the Alpha Dog and his play reflects that as well. Horford has the potential and the personality to make this work, now he just needs to confidence to assume the role.

His hard work and production has made him an all-star, one that's respected in every corner of the league. This season has been another step forward for the big Gator, and here's hoping that recognition like this and the comments of his peers and rival coaches will help him to take another.

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Also would be a helpful: a coach who won’t sit him for 22 minutes in the first half if he gets 2 fouls in the first quarter.

by redwards95 on Apr 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

If his natural position is the PF, then he needs to develop some kind of post game. Right now, his biggest offensive asset is that he can bring centers away from the hoop with a very solid jump shot. That isn’t really what you expect from a natural PF.

by frootbooty on Apr 26, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

if he can mix some post-moves, he could very well have a game similar to vintage Karl Malone.

by KMarch on Apr 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will say this

I’m not sure if they showed it on TV or not because it was during I believe a TV timeout, but late in the game when they were getting ready to go back on the court, Horford called all the players back to the sideline, grabbed Smoove and JJ around the shoulders, pulled them all in a huddle and started barking about I can only assume to be natural floor general quotes like “never give up”, “let’s finish this”, and “they ain’t shyte and let’s wipe the floor with their demoralized souls.”

Or, that’s what my mind heard from 25 rows back, haha!

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
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by Jesse28 on Apr 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, and...

that’s BOSS.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
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by Jesse28 on Apr 26, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

"demorilized souls?"

I dont know if I can love him anymore

I like to think of Jeff Teague as our secret weapon..... so secret that the Atlanta coaches have no idea who he is.

by Throw on Apr 26, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

that mindset is harming him

It’s holding back the organization if he’s not using all his skills to accommodate Josh and Joe and Jamal. I get that he’s nice and all, but as much as I never would have said this – it’s time for him or Josh to go, so we can have ONE star PF and then, get the pieces to put around him and let the transition happen now. While I hear that he’s a star, I’m not seeing one this playoffs and if that’s based on other factors that just Al himself, then that’s a problem that needs to be addressed NOW. That said, I’m not sure if it is. I like Al – think he’s a great piece, but I’m not sure that he can get much better with that mindset of – he’s not a star. I need him to get some Kobe in him that says – give me the ball, I got this. And then, he has to actually have it. That’s what Joe is missing, but he’s too old to get it.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 26, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

trade Josh

I vote for getting rid of the PF who thinks he’s a shooting guard but actually shoots like Shaq and keeping the guy who is near the top of the league in shooting percentage even before he has developed a true low post game.

by redwards95 on Apr 26, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Josh is expendable and a cancer to the team. We can get great value for trading him.

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by Anonymous HawksGuy on Apr 28, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Star" PF

Coming into this series, I didn’t realistically expect to see big games from Al or Smoove. They are playing against Dwight Howard, defensive player of the year for three straight years, who last I checked is guarding guys who collectively have about four touches in the halfcourt offense this entire series.

by frootbooty on Apr 26, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

isn’t the point for moving him off Howard, so he can play PF and dominate Brandon Bass? So, I’m not sure why I shouldn’t expect him to be better.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Essentially Dwight is playing no one (or everyone) on defense right now

Collins, Zaza, Etan or whoever we throw out there to guard him will NEVER see the ball on offense. Knowing this, he is free to just roam on defense and give help whenever need be. There is a reason no one on this team is in the paint in this series. It’s the same reason JJ’s floater is about 3 feet higher than usual and the reason Jamal shot a layup over the backboard.

by frootbooty on Apr 26, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

meaning

I think Al Horford is a good player. He’s the kind of guy you can win championships with, BUT the Bulls didn’t get better until Rose claimed his spot as the Alpha Bull. Now, I have doubts about whether Al can be the a superstar, but if he wants to get there – he has to demand his spot at the table on and off the court. So, at some point, he has to claim the touches necessary to define this team’s path. Just being one of the guys and picking and poppin’ doesn’t elevate his game to the heights people think it can reach. Doesn’t help us get the guy with the best shooting percentage get the ball down the stretch or when clutch baskets are needed.

And uh, didn’t I explain this above? What don’t you get about what I said? If you disagree, then just disagree ;) And I agree that we can trade Josh, but that has to come with the admission that Al moves to the PF and he becomes the inside centerpiece and Joe is the outside centerpiece and everyone else is a complementary piece on offense and defense.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 26, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't get how you think Horford's mindset is harming him and the organization. Even after your explanation.

While i agree that Al should be more demanding, I feel the organization is harming Al in regards of their roster moves and coaching decisions . You use Rose as an example which I think is like comparing apples to oranges. Prior to this season, was there any player remotely as good as Rose? No. With Al there are/were 2 other players just as talented and experienced. And I think a pecking order was developed. Plus he is a guard which makes it easier for Rose to be the alpha male on that squad. The comparison i like Al to is Gasol (why couldn’t we kept him?). And while Al may never be a superstar, neither was Gasol. And although Kobe was a superstar, he wasn’t winning nuthin’ til Gasol was in the mix.

by xavip on Apr 26, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, you agree

but just not to the degree I do. My point is – if you want him to be a real star, not a guy who is working through a pecking order, then yes – he’s gotta change. Now, does that mean that you’re wrong about roster moves and coaching decisions? Not one bit…(see the Honesty Corner’s disclaimer to know where I always reside in problems the Hawks face). So, I’m not making a comparison that’s hard – there are absolutely differences, but the point is – I want to see Horford to be put in a position to be the best player the Hawks have. Joe Johnson will not be that guy going forward. Josh doesn’t have the temperment to be that guy. So, even if you use the Gasol example, we all see that Gasol is a great player, but his problem is – he is too deferential at times. I’d rather use a different example and that’s Tim Duncan. He has never played the game incorrectly, but once the crown was given to him by Pop and David Robinson – he took it and went BONKERS!!! That’s what I need from Horford to determine whether he’s even better than just a good piece. Can we ride Horford is what I’m trying to determine and he has to want that in ways that Joe doesn’t.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 26, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

and stars do struggle in the postseason, but they don’t stay stars for long if they do struggle for long.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading Josh Smith isn't going to help Horford as much as you think.

I mean, it might give Horford more touches, but there are better ways to do that – such as designing an offense that, like, gives Horford more touches. But Horford is already commanding the attention of the other team’s best big (or best defensive big), and that’s not going to change if you get rid of Smith. As it is, for all of the complaining on here about Smith’s perimeter obsessions, I fail to see how he is stealing wind from Horford. The truth is that the game plan has reflected an organizational preoccupation with guards: the GM’s moves, the coach’s words, the players’ actions all suggest that the Hawks’ organization simply don’t appreciate Horford’s unique talents. And again, getting rid of Smith isn’t going to undermine that philosophical conundrum. It may only reinforce it. It will also make the team defense much, much worse.

I understand the other side of the trade-Smith argument: that trading Josh will allow us to get a good center. Maybe so, and nobody should be irreplaceable; if the right piece is there, and Josh is the price, so be it. But I imagine there are ways to integrate both Horford and Smith, who have really different games, into the offense, while adding a decent (not necessarily great) center to the mix.

by Adam80 on Apr 26, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

here's how

Horford isn’t playing PF, which is where he wants to be and where he can overpower players his size. I agree about designing the offense, but it slot us into actually getting a center and focusing on point guard. So, as starters you have 3 players who are fighting to get 20 shots a game. Only 1 player should be getting those 20 and then the game dictates the rest.

So, I don’t disagree that we have an overvaluing of certain positions, but I would say that we just lack a fundamental understanding of how to pick the player to hitch your wagon and how much worth to add to that and then, how to put the right players around that person. This will be the source of the next set of truths.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 26, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, 29 is really old

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Apr 26, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

might as well collect social security

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Apr 26, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

just mean that

Joe is on the downside of his career with respect to expecting him to change his game. He’s not going to turn killer on us at this stage in his career. And if you actually look at the trajectory for most players – they hit the wall by age 30 and he’s about to be 30. Short of being Kobe or Ray Allen, father time normally takes its toll on shooting guards. The stroke is fine, but the rest of their game falls apart.

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by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 26, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

even though you are a Gators’ fan

Free Kawakami!
Free Teague!

by a hooter's baby on Apr 26, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's cool

I like Gator fans only so much in that they dislike Georgia as much as this Tech guy does.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Apr 26, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - lets not get the college stuff in here

Suffice it to say, i believe Dawgs are the most beautiful animals, and bees are simply pests to be sprayed on

by ATLpaul on Apr 26, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Love" Al? No. I LUST after Al.

Now the question is: would he be interested in a 35 year old 5’8" white guy who isn’t gay, but is willing to learn? I think so.

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by Duff_Man on Apr 26, 2011 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Annndddd......

WINNING!

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Apr 26, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

c'mon bro i got tiger blood!!

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Apr 26, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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