Orlando Magic 88, Atlanta Hawks 82 Series Now Tied 1-1
No one ever said that it was going to be easy. However, if Orlando goes on to defeat Atlanta in the series, then the Hawks may look back at Game 2 as one that they had a chance to win but let slip away. Atlanta started this game much like Game 1 ended. They did nice job defensively forcing Dwight Howard into turnovers and looked to have a plan on offense where Josh Smith was having an impact on the interior against Hedo Turkoglu. Even without Al Horford, who was sitting out after two quick fouls, Atlanta was working hard on offense with Jamal Crawford picking up the slack.
The Hawks built as big as a 10 point lead before things started to slip in the second quarter. Foul trouble to Jason Collins, and Zaza Pachulia left Atlanta very small in the front court and essentially powerless against Howard who like a shark, smelled blood in the water. The result was a 32 point quarter for the Magic and a total destruction of the Hawks on the backboard. The Hawks only trailed by six at halftime but gone was the momentum that was there midway through the quarter.
A couple of things jumped out at me during the second quarter. First and foremost was the decision to sit Al Horford with two personal fouls. We saw Drew employ this tactic early on in the season but it makes little sense at this juncture in my opinion. One of the main reasons for starting the big lineup was to relieve the burden of guarding Dwight Howard from Horford's shoulders. If he is not guarding Howard then he is less likely to be put in positions to pick up fouls at a high rate. Horford is as important to Atlanta's offense as Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. It is hard to imagine either Johnson or Smith being confined to the bench for an entire second quarter with two fouls. Horford deserves that same respect and confidence.
Sitting Horford at this stage is like playing not to lose rather than playing to win. Larry Drew has to send him back out in the second quarter and trust that Horford can play knowing that he has two fouls. He finished the game with those same two fouls and never was pressed into guarding Howard. What his long stint on the bench seemed to do was take him completely out of his rhythm for the second half while also contributing to the stagnation of the Atlanta offense. I understand what Drew was thinking with the move. If he could have somehow made it to halftime with the lead and the momentum without Horford then Atlanta would have most certainly been sitting in a nice spot. However, it didn't turn out that way and at this point it is a bigger risk than sending the player with probably the highest basketball IQ on the team back onto the floor with two personals.
The second thing that jumped out at me was much less significant but I find puzzling nonetheless. Etan Thomas was in street clothes in this game with Hilton Armstrong taking his place on the active roster. Thomas wasn't good by any means in Game 1 however, it was the thought of playing Orlando that was said to be the reasoning for signing him. He brings six fouls to the table and a perceived toughness that is a thousand times greater than Armstrong can provide. If Thomas can't play against the opponent that was the sole reason for signing him, then what is he still doing on the roster? If Thomas is hurt then I will retract this point but I thought the whole reason for including players like Thomas on the roster was to go up against the likes of Dwight Howard.
The numbers were ugly across the board for Atlanta save nice performances from Jamal Crawford and Josh Smith. Crawford finished with 25 points on 8-17 shooting to lead Atlanta. Josh Smith added 17 points, six rebounds, and three assists. Al Horford finished with a double double of 10 points and 10 rebounds in only 26 minutes of action. The Magic threw double teams at Joe Johnson all night as he finished with 14 points and five assists. Atlanta was out rebounded by a count of 52-39 including 20-13 advantage on the offensive boards. The Hawks would have had a much harder time staying as close as they did were it not for 16 Orlando turnovers.
Amazingly Atlanta found itself only down two points after an Al Horford dunk with just 2:13 to go in the game. An awkward Turkoglu lay up and a stagnant offensive possession from Atlanta sealed the Hawks fate as Jason Richardson nailed a three the next trip down. As bad as the Hawks played, they were still right there with just two minutes to go in the game.
Atlanta need not hang their head after this defeat. After all they stole one game in Orlando and return home with the series tied 1-1. In Game 2 they lost to a 50+ win team who were pretty desperate. Officiating plays a big part in all NBA games and Atlanta self inflicted enough damage in Game 2 to not completely lay the blame at the feet of the officials. Although it is an almost absurd thought that Dwight Howard can play 48 minutes without fouling out given the amount of moving screens he sets each every game.
Had Atlanta shown up on the boards and had Al Horford not played only half a game, they could very well have been heading home up 2-0 in the series. The important thing is that not only the players but the coaching staff learn from the loss and move on to Game 3. The NBA Playoffs are about adjustments and no one ever said that this was going to be easy.
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Free Al and Jeff
Excellent recap. Also how do the 10th through 12th men on the roster get in the game but Jeff Teague doesn’t? Wouldn’t a game where the offense is struggling (in particular Hinrich) be a perfect chance to shake things up with Jeff? If game 1 was the Hawks’ best case scenario, this game was their typical effort and bad coaching from the second half of this season.
Do you give the key to a Ferrari to a 16 year old
1. Why is Powell coming off the bench as the first big before Zaza, Why, please someone explain?
2. While the refs are doing their thing, and we know what all that is, at some point I want my coach to protect the players. Not once this season have I seen the coach explode. Last night, the brave birds fought with all they had. You want example, look at the foul Smoove made on muscleman when he was going for the dunk. You want example, look at Zaza and Collins. You want example, look at Kirk crashing into moving screens by muscleman. At what point would the coach try to protect the players. Don’t players finally lose respect for this chicken little attitude? Smoove finally had enough, a justified tech he got, a tech that the coach should have taken.
3. Why take Jamal out in the last 2 minutes? I can’t agree to we need defense when we are trying to make a come back.
Otherwise, the treatment of Lion, the best player Hawks have, is a joke. He gets his fouls setting screens. He doesn’t defend physically, like a Collins/Zaza, or even go for blocks like Smoove. So chances are he won’t accumulate fouls.
And what LD has not learnt in 82 games about Etan, and 30 or so games with Armstrong, that he is trying to figure out now. I am with you, unless Etan is injured, Howard was toying with Armstrong like he was a rag doll.
It is not all gloom and doom, Hawks showed fighting spirit and seeds of doubt are planted in Orlando’s head. I am proud of them, and they have a chance to win the series. They need our support, but they also need much better guidance or our efforts become futile.
I think when the coaching staff looks back at this game
They will see many tactical errors that they committed. It’s part of the process sometimes and we have to hope that they won’t be repeated. Of course I tend to show a little more faith than some out there.
@Kris_Willis
LD gave them the 2nd qt.
He gave the Magic life by keeping AL on the bench. We should have won that game.
Regression to the mean
I hear you, Kris – I guess I just keep watching the story and at some point stopped hoping for the ‘flip the switch’ and just went with what I saw. So, as I always say – owners/mgmt/coach/players. Last night, the players did their best. Unfortunately, if you keep putting bad basketball players on the court over your best ones, you’ll probably get this result. We’re relying on the fact that the Magic will just never hit their shots. That’s what Drew is doing right now – trying to hang in the game as if the Hawks are inferior to the Magic instead of just playing your players and taking advantage of the fact that Howard/Nelson are the only guys who’ve shown up in any fashion for the Magic.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I would subscribe to this
If not for the multiple years of the same having happened under Woodson. If that’s what we are hoping for at this stage, the playoffs, then we are saying that we don’t believe that they took the time to review the 82 games prior are we not? Add to that the fact that Drew has been under Woodson for the last six years, the last three specifically of which Woodson pulled some of the same antics.
Where do we draw the line on hoping people will change their methods? In the face of large sums of empirical evidence, either they are incompetent in identifying the issues, or they simply don’t care. More importantly, why aren’t these questions being asked?
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Hope we have a game today
Al played 26min
Twin played 19
and DH played the whole game.
I know it will affect the game if we have it today, but don`t know if it will on Friday.
by kamaboko319 on Apr 20, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree
On switching Etan Thomas and Hilton Armstrong, made no sense barring injury. I don’t like to harp on the ref’s, but the 3 that “sealed the Hawk’s fate” was set up by DH giving a screen where he only moved about eight feet across the court. He should have fouled out and it should have been Hawk’s ball.
Prior to the series, I predicted DH would shoot more FTs than the whole Hawks team.
Current count:
Hawks: 46
Dwight: 43
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Howard had 5 fouls with a few minutes remaining in the game
Why didn’t Drew have our guys try to drive on him and get him fouled out? When the opposing team’s best player has 5 fouls, that seems like a logical option, right?
More than that
it shows that we have to go at Dwight early and often. If they could have forced just one foul on Dwight in the 1st Half, he would at least have had to sit for a little while.
Agreed
I have always subscribed to driving on the super stars in the league. Sure, you aren’t going to score much on Howard that way, but you are almost always going to draw fouls.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Quick Ref Bashing
There were 2 plays that the refs missed that had me screaming at the TV (along with a few that had me grumbling to myself).
1) A 3 on 2 fast break where Kirk dishes to Smoove and Smoove finishes while being blatantly pushed with two hands by Turkoglu…No call
2) Kirk gets leveled on a screen and the ref blew the whistle. “Finally,” I thought…until I realized they called the foul on Kirk. If I remember correctly, it was right in front of our bench. LD should have been livid and letting the refs hear it.
That being said, although the game could have been won even with us playing badly, I will take the the game 1 victory and be happy. Go Hawks!
When Howard went over Hilton's back for a loose ball
and they called the foul on Hilton? What, for being in Dwight’s way of the ball? smdh
by Hawk n the Ham on Apr 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
or the fact
that after playing all 24 minutes in the first half, the big crybaby didnt get a single foul
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
The daggers were
The offensive rebounding and the disparity of foul calls. NO WAY in HELL DH doesn’t foul out after playing the entire game. Anyway…How long can he keep that up? He should be tired AS this morning.
@ I_20sFinest
We got KILLED on the boards while Al was sitting in the first half
And it got worse when our last quality back-up big “fouled out” of the first half as Zaza picked up his second foul. And none of the three guys-Zaza, Collins, and Horford-that we really needed in the second quarter finished with more than four fouls.
But here’s the worst part-we actually outrebounded Orlando by a significant margin in the second half. If I’ve got the numbers right, they grabbed 37 in the first half to our 17. So when we had Horford on the floor with a competent man at center, we out rebounded Orlando by a margin of 22-15. Which is why it irritates me that Drew was talking about how they got killed on the boards in the postgame presser.
All I can hope is that there is a lesson learned here.
The lesson is don’t hire a cheap coach with no head coaching experience unless you are a lottery team that doesn’t plan to compete for the next several years.
we are the only team that tries to develop our young coaches
and not develop our young players
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
+1
really not of the belief that he’s going to take responsibility for what happened anymore than he did by not doing anything to stop Nelson when he went for 20. How many games does one player have to go for franchise records in scoring before you decide DURING the explosion to try to stop it? I get the game plan, but maybe you stop the bleeding and the game gets…uh, easier to win. I actually am interested in seeing if the other Magic players have the cojones to score points if we try to stop Howard and Nelson. Not for the whole game, but just for some stretches to see if indeed they can hit threes to determine if this – let Howard run wild strategy is a good one. Made sense when he was frustrated and not scoring at a 40ppg 18reb clip, but I’m not sure if it’ll continue to make sense.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes sense to let Howard get a one-on-one matchup whenever he wants it when you have a man guarding him that keep him from scoring on on 90% of his touches. If you’ve got Josh Powell, Etan Thomas, or Hilton Armstrong guarding Howard, he’s going to score 18 points every 10 touches, and the Hawks can’t compete with that. If you’ve got Zaza or Collins on him, maybe it’s only 12 points every 10 touches-still bad, but if his teammates aren’t scoring, you can make that work.
I actually really like that strategy. The Hawks got killed last year by overreacting to every Howard success and leaving shooters open all over the place. The Magic still have good shooters-Jason Richardson, Ryan Anderson, Jameer Nelson can knock them down, Hedo-so if you leave them wide open and they get into a rhythm, they’re going to kill you. But you can’t give away the game by being afraid of foul trouble which never manifests.
With 8:45 left in the second quarter, the Hawks had a 10 point lead. When the third quarter started, the Hawks trailed by 6. That’s a 16 point swing, and what facilitated that run more than anything else was Larry Drew’s decision to remove Zaza upon picking up his second foul, sitting him along with Collins and Horford, and leaving the Hawks without a competent man to play center. Dwight scored 20 of his 33 during that quarter. That’s just absolutely giving the game away in order to stick to one flawed concept-that having 2 fouls in the first half is foul trouble.
True, but
there’s not just one strategy that will win this series. I think that’s my point. Sure, do the Collins thing as long as that 12 pts per 10 touches happens or whatever, but let’s not forget that there’s an offensive end and if that’s the case – having Powell, Thomas, Armstrong, or Collins doesn’t work when you’re getting killed on the other end. Anyway, yes – the 2 foul thing super sucks. I’m also saying that beyond that – you might want to have a changeup to go with your fastball. My biggest concern with the Collins as Dwight stopper strategy is that these guys are going to go all in on this strategy and not make an adjustment when it’s not working. The bad adjustment is what we all have worried about with Drew. You have to continually adjust. You think SVG is going to watch his team fail in the same way each game. What happens when these guys start making shots at even at 42% clip…they do that and we lose game 1 and game 2. that’s my concern…
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 20, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
This is funny.....
"Atlanta’s a team that if things aren’t really going their way, they’re going to struggle a little bit," said Ryan Anderson(notes), who led the Magic’s reserves with eight points. "We’re different in a sense where if we’re down we kind of know how to fight our way back into it."
@ I_20sFinest
The Magic and their fans
seem to be embarrassed that they split the first two games to the “lowly” Hawks but they don’t want to admit it.
Free Kawakami!
Free Teague!
by a hooter's baby on Apr 20, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Collins and Zaza weren't in foul trouble
They had 2 each in the first half. How many minutes do you expect each to play? What are you saving them for. I’d argue that they aren’t in trouble until they have 3 in the first half or 5 in the second half. Heck in game one Jason played several minutes with 5 fouls (Dwight had 5 at the same time as well). I’m okay with Josh Powell or Etan Thomas getting a few minutes at C to hack and frustrate Howard and buy Jason and Zaza a little rest, but extended minutes for Hilton Armstrong accomplishes nothing good.
If the coaching staff honestly reviews the game I think they’ll see how badly they let the team down. It’s the playoffs, coach as if every game is life and death. Don’t leave bullets in your gun. Better to run out of ammo going for the jugular than play it safe and never have a real chance.
so much for thinking.
they would review the game and come to a different conclusion
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 20, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were the owner or GM . . .
I’d save those comments so I could refer to them when I fire the coach.
This game showed me why even if I had the talent to be in the NBA,
I would be banned for punching the ref. So many HORRIBLE calls
"Hard work beats talent, when talent doesnt work hard"
by Hudson's Soul Patch on Apr 20, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NBA has the worst officiating of all major pro sports.
I have no doubt in my mind it’s influenced by the wishes of David Stern and all the people that benefit when teams with internationally known “superstars” win… I’ve been to China and seen the billboards of Howard, Pierce, Carmelo, LeBron, Kobe, etc. I never once saw any mention of Joe Johnson let alone a Hawks jersey sold at any sporting goods store with an NBA section…
To me the whole conspiracy to see the rich get richer is so obvious. David Stern, I will pop bottles the day you’re gone.
I think everyone is overlooking another key factor in last night's game.
The benching of Al, while puzzling and detremental to the game, was still nearly over come at the end of the game.
After Kirk was brought back into the game. The play which led to the Horford slam, which, has been noted, brought the game to within a possesion, was set up by a good defensive effort.
It is obvious to even the most casual observer of this postseason that the strategey of single covering Howard works, as long as you play lock down on the rest of the team. What should also be obvious is, that Jameer Nelson, is the biggest detriment to this strategy.
Crawford, being forced to defend the point caused the game to slip away, during the fourth quarter. I saw several possesions, where Nelson drove into the lane and kicked out to the open man. Drives where Crawford was not even in the frame. If LD continues to use JC at the point, and Teague never gets off the bench, I can see this being the primary cause for a series loss.
I think maybe you could slide this stuff by the casual observer but Nelson did not have one assists in the 4th quarter
You say you saw these drives in the 4th quarter but Nelson had 2 pts had no assists during the stretch where Crawford was at pg. In fact jamal while at pg scored 6 straights to gets there lead back to single digits .
Im shocked at how much stuff people simply make up to see Teague play .
If we rebounded better we probably win this game or if we go back with Al in the second quarter maybe they dont get a lead at all.
But to say that Teague is somehow a better option in this series so far than jamal is ridiculous
Jameer was 4-15 13 pts and only 2 assists …. and this somehow leads you to believe that teague not playing will be the reason we lose ?
he didn't say Jameer had an assist
You have Jameer’s teammates to thank for that. That doesn’t mean Jamal was playing good defense either.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
If he kicked to the open man then why didnt they take the shot ? Again what he said doesnt even match up with what you said
Like I said I rewatched the 4th quarter several times and Nelson didnt do anything hes just simply making it up .
During the start of the 4th points were hard to come by for both teams there was not a lot of points being scored to imply that there were and even moreso that Nelson was the cause of these points even indirectly is just flat out not true .
I didnt say jamal played good defense either I said that the whole scenario is not true and he was simply using it as a reason to say Teague shouldve been in the game .
Um, at PG Teague is the better option
JC is not a PG and should never be played as such. Orlando’s lead stretched to 12 in the 4th when JC was running the point. Kirk was brought back in and suddenly within the span of a couple minutes the lead is back down to just 2 and we are all on the edges of our seats thinking we might just pull off a bigger win than in Game 1.
If Hinrich is the starter, then Teague is the backup PG, not JC.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Teague is dead to Drew
I’m not sure what Teague did to Woody and Drew, but they just don’t trust him, so it’s better to just move on from thinking anything new is going to happen with that situation. We can roast him about that in the offseason.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 21, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed that we should move on.
But that doesn’t change the fact that he is a better option at the point than JC.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
No Doubt
My hypothesis is that he’s better than Bibby and if given the reins a while ago would be better than Kirk too. But what the hell do I know…
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 21, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Teague might become relevant
On the off chance we make the second round and play the Bulls. Jameer Nelson is one thing, but against the guard play of the Bulls, we’re probably going to need a deeper guard rotation.
Not happening
you must not be watching this team and this coach. Teague is not playing vs. the bulls unless foul trouble or injuries happen.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 21, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he does play because of his speed
and he played very well against the Bulls in the reg season. Hinrich still starts but Teague gets some minutes in that series
if he doesn't play
what will you say about Drew at that point…he didn’t play until the game was over in their last matchup, so I’m not sure that he feels like he played that well even if you do…
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
again this is simply not true why oh why do people feel as though they can say this stuff as if no one else saw the game
we were down 7 when Josh got that tech after fouling Dwight Are you blaming Crawford being at PG for that ?
What about Hedo hitting a 3 after Marvins turnover is that Crawfords fault because he wast PG too ?
In the 4th Crawfords 3 pt basket and then getting fouled shooting a 3 on back to back possessions is what got the lead back down to under single digits .
When Kirk came back in we didnt play better defense we actually were able to string together several baskets on offense . We had been getting stops the entire quarter we couldnt buy a basket for a while .
When Hinrich came in Al made a layup Joe made back to back baskets HIS FIRST POINTS OF THE SECOND HALF and Joshs block led to Als dunk . .
It had nothing absolutely nothing to do with who was in at pg and more to do with Joe and Al showing the heck up .
Teague is not a better option because he is no option at all. It amazes me that you have people who try and act as though they can vouch for what Teague is gonna be ring as being better than anyone.
Teague has no shot he doesnt create opportunities for anyone else and his only ability is he is gonna try and use that inconsistent floater against Dwight ?
People want to tank the playoffs simply to see teague play…. smfh .
I'm not making up this..
Jamal is awful defensively. Awful…I’m not sure what game you’re watching, but I’m not talking about one specific instance – I’ve watched 2 years of POOR defense. 2 years of him not be able to stop anyone. I also have watched Teague play better defense than anyone on the Hawks on the perimeter for 2 years. Now, Jamal is useful to this team if his shot is falling and if not, he’s not. So, while he continues to make shots – I really am not asking for teague to find the floor UNLESS of course – I want to see someone stop the opposing perimeter player OR I want to see my PG give the ball to the other people who score for this team.
Missed shots doesn’t equate to good defense from Crawford, so it’s not all Jamal’s fault. That can be true and still have a desire to have Teague be the backup PG and have Crawford be the SG. I don’t care about that now…
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 21, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Again what you are talking us pure craziness we arent talking about the whole of the two years we are talking about LAST GAME
All that matters was if his defense was awful last game not in December of 2009 this is why I cant take your writing seriously . You basically admit that when you watch the game you are still thinking about what happened 2 years ago when its the playoffs and the only thing that matters is the current game .
What game against Orlando did you see Teague play this outstanding defense ?
As I said before just pure craziness . I couldve sworn Ive seen jamal still the ball last game does that count or does stealing the ball from your man not count as a stop ?
Jamal never passes or sets anyone else up either right ? He tied for the team lead in the first game and so far is second on the team in assists despite coming off the bench .
Teague has yet to establish himself as being able to do any of the things you so called saw consistently enough to even be having this discussion . The coaching staff obviously agrees with me as evident by teague being planted on that bench .
The the bottomline no matter how some of you want to spin it . Teague has not done anywhere near enough consistently enough to say that he should be getting minutes at any position over any other guard on this team .
Some of you see what you wanna see but I want to win and taking the ball out of jamals hands to give to someone who wont have the same impact and doesnt create any scoring opportunities for the hottest player on the team in the playoffs is not how you win .
No madness
Ummm, I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say, but we’ll just agree to disagree on Teague’s usage. I’ve seen more than enough this season and last to make the call that unless Jamal is making shots – he’s bench worthy. If you want to trumpet the fact that he has a few assists (bench doesn’t matter if you get starter minutes) and got a steal. You can spin it any way you want, but the guy is not a good defensive player. No one is pumping up Teague at the expense of Jamal – he’s just a bad defensive player…one of the few to continually have a low plus/minus whenever he’s on the floor.
We all agree when his shot is on – he can be effective and I think I said – if his shot is ON (and it has been) that he should play and play a lot. I would also like to see Drew use Teague in offensive/defensive rotations when it’s necessary. I wonder if you felt so strongly about this when Crawford was awful for 2 months vs. Game 1 & 2. My position is – I’d rather see Jeff Teague get playoff minutes to see what he can do than Jamal at PG b/c if we’re smart Jamal won’t be a part of the team next year unless it’s at a significant discount.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 21, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
A few assists is more than what teague brings heck its more than what Kirk brings
Jamal is second on the team in assists and again please show me where in game two jamal was a bad defensive player ? As said before this is the playoffs and your talking points of November or or two years just doesnt fly .
Trying to use plus/minus to prove anything only further my point .
First jamals been playing well the entire month of April and he wasnt bad for two months his numbers were down because his touches and shots were down .
Like i said you would rather lose so you can see what Teague can do while ignoring the fact that you seem to remember everything negative about jamal for two years but dont seem to remember that Teague has been here for two years and weve seen what he can do and everyone knows that its not anywhere close to what jamal can do .
How do you do offensive /defensive substitutions with someone when youre not even sure they will show up ? ……thats stupid no coach would do that . Claiming Teague as being anything more than a fringe rotation player at this point is ridiculous .;
agree to disagree
that’s pretty much all I need to say about this – even JAMAL has said that he’s played poorly this year. And he’s said it more than once, so I’m not going to tell you more than if he’s making shots – he’s a difference maker. If not, he does NOTHING else. Tonight, he made shots and made the difference with Zaza, but he was getting roasted off the dribble.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 22, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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