Hawk Str8Talk's Honesty Corner's 5 Truths: Vol. 7
Admittedly, I was giddy while watching the Hawks run ram shod all over the Orlando Magic. This is an emotion that was sorely missing throughout this 2010-2011 campaign, but that's mostly because the function of my posts is to focus on what makes us move toward a NBA championship. A playoff win didn't change any of those things that I question about this team. An unlikely series win still won't change those things is probably not going to do that either.
On the good side, Joe Johnson played to about 80% of his contract. Kirk Hinrich played to about 75% of his trade 'value' (how depressing is it that Hilton Armstrong didn't even make the playoff active list for this team?) and we made our jump shots on the whole. On the bad side, Joe Johnson and Kirk Hinrich have not been consistent about being at or above those percentages above and a team that relies on jump shots a) doesn't normally hit them with consistency and b) never makes any noise in the playoffs. So, hats off to the Hawks, but we're going to need to see more from the Atlanta Hawks to convince us that the problems we've watched for the past 3 years are erased by one impressive playoff victory.
Truth 3. Winning Does Have Negative Consequences.
I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. If this playoff series causes the leadership to stay the course, I don't want them to win. Yes, that causes a complete inner turmoil for my cheering interests. I certainly could never openly want my team to lose, but the long term interests that I shouldn't have to worry about don't seem to be the concern of our ownership and management. With that in mind, there's great fear that any success will embolden ASG and Sund to continue to double down on a flawed roster. So, I don't want to say it, but I can't help it - anything other than a DEEP run in the playoffs could end up with a long term epic fail written all over a first round series win. How's that for a fan's conflict of interests?
One other consequence of winning this way just reinforces that this team doesn't need Teague and confirms my belief that Teague won't be a part of this team in 2011-2012 OR we're continuing the inexplicable use of Teague over the past 2 years. How do you expect him to ever be a factor in your ability to win meaningful games if he's never played in one?
So, Zaza and Marvin are now taking on much smaller roles and, of course, Jeff Teague and Damian Wilkins caught the DNP Plague. Josh is a starting small forward. Zaza is just one of a merry quartet of Dwight Hackers. For Marvin, that might be fine and a function of the lineup changes. For Zaza, it's a slap in the face for arguably the hardest working and most skilled of the reserve backups. I said in last week's Truths that Zaza was playing the best of all Hawks over the last 20 games and he's rewarded with...9 minutes against the Magic. Sorry but if 15 minutes are distributed between Etan Thomas and Josh Powell when they can be given to Zaza - that's just not good minute distribution.
To be fair, it may get them past the Magic, but does it translate to something that beats any other playoff team?
Bonus Truth. Jason Collins starts prove that roster balance is valuable. (PH Exclusive)
About 3 years ago, I made the suggestion that Marvin Williams needed to come off the bench. Last year, I made the suggestion that Jeff Teague and Maurice Evans needed to start. The premise of this was simple. With Al, Josh, and Joe dominating the ball and shots for the starters and, with the need to have some bench scoring and defense to go with Jamal Crawford on the bench, it would do wonders for the aggressiveness of both players. And now, Jason Collins' time as the starter proves the theory correct. You don't have to have your 5 best players on the court when the game starts. Sometimes, it makes perfect sense to simply put players at their proper position and then mix and match it from there as the Hawks have done in most games against true centers. It also makes perfect sense to not have 5 All Stars on your starting unit and then have the Whitman Mayo Rec League All Stars as your 2nd team, so if you do have weak links - you may want to mix them in with the stars in order to balance out your team until crunch time.
It does make you wonder whether or not this starting lineup with Collins up wouldn't work no matter who the center is. Larry Drew, maybe you should try this as a permanent solution. [Note: This starting option would still only mean 20 mins or less for Jason Collins or else I rebuke everything I just said.]
And with that note, that's this week's 5 Truths....agree or disagree if you must, but if it's the Honesty Corner, then it can't be lies. See you in the comments...
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Truth 4
If they do get past the Magic, I think you’ll see a lot more Zaza and Marvin and a lot less Powell and Collins against the Bulls. As for truth 5, I for one enjoy your posts (despite the occasional “I told you so” attitude) so if the unthinkable happens I hope you’re bluffing.
I'm with you on #3.
It’s hard rooting for a team when a positive outcome could spell disaster for the future. I say screw thinking ahead and just keep pumping the tap and cheering.
Bonus Truth
I’m in favor of big lineup all the time because the normal lineup has an 8M dollar a year player as 5th option. It doesn’t need to be Collins unless the match up is Dwight, but one of the bigs should be in there. In game one Marvin was in with a clear advantage over whomever the Magic put on him. He only played 16 minutes, but he had some very productive minutes and could have been utilized more. I’m not happy that Teague saw no time, but I had expected it from Drew. Luckily Jamal hit his shots because if they hadn’t been falling the defensive vulnerability to Jameer would have truly damaging.
Back to the lineup, we can play without an offensive force at each position if we aren’t settling for jumpers at every position and try to exploit a matchup or two to get points inside or at least trips to the line. Joe did that in game 1, but Josh should be able to overpower Hedo as well. There aren’t many teams with as big SG, SF combos as big as Joe and Josh.
i yearn
for the day when defensive forces are also a part of the equation for playing time. This is one of the first teams that I’ve ever seen where only the PF and C are required to have any defensive value. Marvin has it, but the idea that when we need to make up points that only offensive players can affect that instead of players who can get stops – that’s just kinda backward to me.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 18, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Marvin
I’d accept Marvin in the starting lineup if he was a lock down defender, but I don’t feel he is. He’s good but not elite. For 7.5M in salary cap I want greater contribution. He’s got a greater chance of earning his keep coming off the bench.
While i may disagree with you many times
I don’t think you should stop blogging if Hawks win. Doesn’t mean a thing, remember ball is round, and Hawks are a tremendously talented bunch, though certainly unpredictable. And you write very well.
Let’s hope Hawks can win vs. Orlando, a very tough team indeed before talking about the Bulls. And keep coming up with the truths.
With that, for so long I have wanted a center. A CENTER. Truth 5 is right, we need a center with a pulse and we need balance. Lion is too valuable to have him play center and spend that energy on D defending players taller and heavier. I take this lineup starting all the time. Marvin from the bench is dangerous.
#5 c'mon man....
Don’t quit what you do to debunk the “unthinkable.” This is just one game. Let’s leave that until after this series
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
No doubt
I did it last Truth too, but didn’t let you know that was just for you :)
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Apr 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Re #3… It’s impossible to be a real fan and actively root against your team in the playoffs. This is made easier for us by the likelihood that this ownership and GM will do something stupid like re-sign Crawford regardless of what happens in the playoffs. Therefore you might as well root for the Hawks to somehow win the championship this year because there’s no reason to expect the Hawks to pull a Boston or Miami and end up with a truly elite team next season (if there even is one).
Agreed
Even if the Hawks were to have gotten swept in the first round, I would have had zero faith in the ASG being able to handle a complete overhaul of the system. They are losing millions every year on the Thrashers, Hawks, and Philips Arena so I have no doubt in my mind that the coahing and GM candidates would be cheap options from the scrap heap.
Plus, neither a championship run nor a 1st round sweep is going to change the ownership and we both agree that it all begins there. So, you might as well put all that mental capacity to work rooting for the fans, because that’s really what it’s about.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
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