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A History of Hawks Drafts from 2000 to present

With all this talk about the ASG needing to blow up the squad of underachievers we have, let's take a look at past drafts and what we should not do anymore. 

Note: I fully recognize that other teams have passed over the same talent I'm about to mention and that not all teams look at the same players in scouting.

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The 2000 Draft - DerMarr Johnson was selected 6th overall. Hanno Möttölä was selected 40 overall.  Notable passed-over players: Jamal Crawford 8th, Jamaal Magloire 19th, Michael Redd 43rd.

The 2001 Draft - Pau Gasol (traded to Vancouver) 3rd overall and Terence Morris 33rd (traded to Houston).  So actually we didn't get any thing from that draft accept Shareef Abdul-Raheem.  Notable passed-over talent (besides the one already mentioned) includes Jason Richardson 5th, Shane Battier 6th, Joe Johnson 10th, Jason Collins 18th, Zach Randolph 19th, Gerald Wallace 25th, Tony Parker 28th, Gilbert Arenas 30th, Mehmet Okur 37th. 

The 2002 Draft - the number 8th pick was traded to the Clippers in the Lorenzen Wright transaction.  David Anderson was selected 37th.  Notable passed-over talent:  Ronald Murray 42nd, Matt Barnes 46th, Luis Scola 56th

The 2003 Draft - The 8 pick was traded to get Glen Robinson, Boris Diaw was 21st, Travis Hansen was 37th. Notable passed over talent: Kendrick Perkins 27th, Leandro Barbosa 28th, Josh Howard 29th, Zaza Pachulia 42nd, Mo Williams 47th, Kyle Korver 51st

The 2004 Draft - Josh Childress 6th, Josh Smith was 17th from a trade that sent Rasheed Wallace to the Pistons, Donta Smith 35th, Royal Ivey 38th, Viktor Sanikidze 43rd (traded to the spurs for the 59th pick in 2005 and cash)

The 2005 Draft - Marvin Williams 2nd, Salim Stoudamire 31st, Cenk Akyol 59th. Notable passed-over talent: Daron Williams 3rd, Chris Paul 4th, Raymond Felton 5th, Charlie Villanueva 7th, Channing Frye 8th, Andrew Bynum 10th, Danny Granger 17th, Nate Robinson 21st, Jarrett Jack 22nd, David Lee 30th, CJ Miles 34th, Monta Ellis 40th, Louis Williams 45th (I only mention because he plays his best against the hawks), Andray Blatche 49th, Marcin Gortat 57th

The 2006 Draft - Shelden Williams 5th,  (the hawks 21st pick was traded to Phoenix in the Joe Johnson trade), Solomon Jones 33rd. Notable passed over talent:  Brandon Roy 6th, JJ Redick 11th, Rajon Rondo 21st (in the before mentioned trade), Kyle Lowry 24th, Shannon Brown 25th.

The 2007 Draft - Al Horford 3rd, Acie Law 11th, Atlanta traded the 34th pick for Anthony Johnson.  Notable passed-over talent:  Joakim Noah 9th (only because I was on the fence with Al or Noah), Thaddeus Young 12th, Rodney Stuckey 15th, Aaron Brooks 26th, Glen Davis 35th, Marc Gasol 28th.

The 2008 Draft - no picks because (the 15th pick was traded in the Joe Johnson trade, the 42nd pick was traded in the Mike Bibby trade) No need to mention the numerous passed-over talents.

The 2009 Draft - Jeff Teague 19th, Sergiy Gladyr 49th.  Notable passed-over talents:  Darren Collison? 21st, Rodrigue Beaubois? 25th, Tony Douglas 29th, Dejuan Blair 37th, Jodie Meeks? 41st.  (question marks are borderline stars that may or may not pan out to be)

The 2010 Draft - Damion James 24th (that was traded to New Jersey in a pick swap for Jordan Crawford 27th), Tibor Pleiß 31st (came from New Jersey then traded to OKC), Pape Sy 53rd.  Notable passed-over talent:  Only ones I know so far, Landry Fields 39th.

Like I said before, Other teams passed over the same talent and scouts look at players differently from team to team.  But one thing the hawks can't do anymore is trade away first round picks without good foresight.  Honestly, I don't trust management to rebuild the franchise after "blowing it up" like so many fans would want looking at the draft history. 

Poll
Should the hawks ever trade a first round pick?
no
13 votes
for a superstar, yes
37 votes
for the right rotational player, yes
20 votes

70 votes | Poll has closed

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Nice post maxxj3.

I voted “for a superstar, yes,” but I would also be willing to give up a 1st round pick for the “right rotational player” if that player was in his early to mid 20’s. I think there has to be some upside or long term value there. I don’t think you can justify trading a 1st round pick for an older player with a short contract even if the reasoning behind it is that you don’t develop the players you draft anyway. Maybe that, in itself, is the problem. And I don’t think you should ever have to include 1st round draft picks in a trade where your sole purpose is to dump big contracts on another team. There are always teams out there that are willing to take decent players with big contracts in exchange of expiring contracts if you want to clear cap space. All of that is just bad business, in my opinion.

I agree that blowing this team up is risky. As Hawks fans, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that most of our problems start with management, so I don’t know how anyone can trust them to strip this team down to nothing and rebuild a better product. If we do that, we’ll most likely be stuck with our worst players because they’ll be the hardest to get rid of. If we do trade our best players, it would be difficult to get an upgrade in return. We’ll most likely trade them for slightly worse players who make the same amount of money. Either that, or we might have to take a chance on talented guys who are injury prone or talented players who have a ton of off the court problems. And I would be willing to take that chance if this team wasn’t so fragile or if we had a proven coach that could work with players like that.

If you look at a majority of the trade suggestions on this site, the only beneficial trades that I’ve seen suggested are unrealistic, and the realistic trades only make us worse. And that’s not a knock on anyone on this site or their trade ideas. I like seeing the different scenarios people come up with. It’s just that making one good trade is easier said than done, so before we decide to trade everyone on the team and start from scratch, we have to remember that we have some good pieces right now and we might not get much in return for those pieces if we decide to trust management to “BLOW IT UP!!!!!!!!!!” Maybe making one good trade, adding a proven coach and picking up some useful free agents, who do more than ride the bench, could help us salvage this team.

by NYCHawksFan on Mar 27, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

great reply

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 27, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering how awful they draft...

I’d take even a good role player. That is the best they ever get in the draft (aside from the rare Smoove and Horford picks), and even that is 50/50 at best. You want to see really ugly though, look at Hawks drafts from 1985-2000. Priest Lauderdale and Cal Bowdler must be freed!

http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Mar 28, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Priest was going to be our version of Shaq

and Chris Crawford was going to be the missing piece to a long playoff run.

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Mar 29, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Shelden pick was bad..should have traded him..his perceived value was high

Now we can see we should have gone with Monta or Lou over Salim. The other picks I can’t really complain about ..who knew?? Demarr was ballin’ in college, Diaw still has good talent he just doesn’t have the “it”, Marvin, Acie all played well in college. Really it was the second picks that were wasted. Because there was talent available and they went with just getting a body.

by Cmart34 on Mar 31, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

It depends

If you think we are gonna fall apart completely and end up in the lottery then no, we should never trade a draft pick.

If you think we are going to continue to be better than most of the NBA then you might as well trade the picks.

TBH though I’m uncomfortable trading 1rst rounders for players that are older than 28 or so.

by thirdfALCON on Apr 4, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a difficult question

Should Hawks EVER trade a first round pick? Ever is a strong word. If the right trade comes around, then of course I think it’s the right time to make a move for this team. But in a weak draft like this year, I think they’re best bet is to hold on to it and hope to draft a nice 6th or 7th man.

by CoolFinity on Apr 5, 2011 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

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