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Initial Reaction: 76ers 117, Hawks 83

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Quick Thought: That was not good.

Summary: 

The Hawks got spanked early and often by a Philadelphia team that came into the game with the game plan of exploiting the obvious weaknesses of the Hawks: Poor perimeter defense, poor transition defense, and a proclivity of settling for jump shots.

When the Hawks win, its usually because they either play a team that can't take advantage of all or some of those at the same time, or they pull it together and take care of transition defense and/or the settling for jumpers. Let the record show they, through no amount of the fabled "energy", V-based or otherwise, cannot ever take care of the perimeter defense.

Against Philadelphia, the Hawks laid down their swords on all three fronts, thanks in large part to Doug Collins deciding to blitz the Hawks perimeter, lay back on defense and dare Atlanta to shoot jump shots, and immediately double-teaming Joe Johnson as soon as he touched the ball in the post.

This strategy and its flawless execution by the guests got the Hawks down early, and then Philly turned up the heat by playing 4 guards at a time, exacerbating the defensive issues while the Hawks were not able/willing to make them pay by going inside. Instead, the Hawks kept on firing away from the outside, turned the ball over (a lot), didn't get back on defense, and lay the foundation for a blowout loss at home with a 33-15 first quarter.

Let's be clear: This had nothing to do with coming out flat or any other myth. It has to do with poor perimeter defense, lack of execution on offense, accepting a homogeneous shot selection that doesn't involve the paint, and carelessly turning over possessions.

To quote Mr. Flanders, they tried nothing...and they were all out of ideas.

Also:

This was easily the worst game I have ever witnessed Joe Johnson play as a Hawk. He was completely stymied by the double-teams Philly threw out, throwing the ball and the Hawks offense away on multiple occasions. He followed that up by being two steps slow defensively, though one can hardly blame the mileaged 6'8 shooting guard for not being able to keep up with the 20 year old Jrue Holiday. He committed bad fouls and wrapped the game by scoring a .09 in the production column. (points+reb+ast+stl+blks-TO/min---1.00 is a great game)

Larry Drew can keep his Coaches Union card because, with 6:50 seconds left in the third quarter, down 34, he sat Joe Johnson with 4 fouls so he wouldn't get into further foul trouble. Consider it took him 10-12 more game minutes to finally completely clear the bench, one would think you would roll the dice and keep Joe out there to see if you could make a run, despite his puny production at that point. But, that would break the 4 fouls in the third quarter rule, so that was the game for Joe. On the bright side, he did not foul out.

When the Sixers went small, so did the Hawks, leaving Josh to play center, but the problem is that the Hawks don't use second round picks on useful players like Louis Williams (45th pick overall) or Jodie Meeks (41st overall by MIL) to provide young depth and so the Hawks had to counter with Jamal Crawford, Mo Evans and Damien Wilkins to help and, while they certainly played hard and tried--thereby wearing their Proven Veteran labels well--their lack of foot speed, defensive acumen, and quickness (match where appropriate) compared to their Philadelphia colleagues couldn't stop the Philly scoring party.

Sure, Jeff Teague and Jordan Crawford played, and Teague was actually alright, but he logged only 8 1/2 minutes of basketball in the first three quarters. So, in a game where the Sixers attacked the Hawks' older, defensively challenged perimeter and was lacking lane aggression on offense on a night where they couldn't make much from outside, Jeff Teague played 24 percent of the possible minutes and Mike Bibby played 60 percent.

When you see Josh Smith score three times inside, over, around, and through Elton Brand, you wonder that Josh ever sees in that tramp, the jump shot.

Silver Lining:

It's a long way until Saturday when the Hawks play their next game against Charlotte...maybe by then this will feel like it was an exhibition game.

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Sad Performance

Well that wasn’t worth going and watching in person. Frankly that is 4 games, deer, Cs, Hornets, and now this sad sad game. Once I saw the lineup in the third quarter with no big man it was clearly time to leave. I think the center was Damien. Should have been smart enough and left at half.

A good team simply does not lose like this at home. Hawks did not lose like this all of last year at home except vs. a very good Orlando team in playoffs. I am afraid the decline of Bibby has caused Hawks defense to become simply non-existent. LD talks a good game but goes with Bibby and Jamal as his shot makers.

At some point in time, you need to send a message to your team. That is the job of a coach, or no one will take you serious. Even JJ. That performance was not acceptable. To me only Smoove and Marvin came to semi play. Next game do a change in your lineup. There is something very badly rotten with Hawks and a change is absolutely needed. I am not going to say it is all coach (even though that is the one area we changed from last year to this year) yet. But if the coach is unwilling to try a new combination at the most glaring weakness, then the coach needs to be talked to in no uncertain terms. That is on Sund and ASG at this point to force the issue or these types of beat downs will continue, and frankly fans will not tolerate or go to watch games like last night. Play Teague and/or try to trade for a point guard.

by ATLpaul on Feb 9, 2011 4:46 AM EST reply actions  

Josh gave up early.

Once he had his second foul, the Sixers went right after him and he refused to even challenge shots because he was scared of picking up his third foul. In a game like last night, that behavior is inexcusable. His big comeback idea coming out of the half was to immediately start throwing up long jumpers…even when nobody was guarding him. It wasn’t until the game was well in hand that he went to the hole a few times.

My personal favorite was his over-the-backboard fading out of bounds jumper. Classic. LD should have taught him a lesson by leaving him in to finish the game.

You were right about Marvin playing hard. Josh not so much.

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by Duff_Man on Feb 9, 2011 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Smoove started playing

I think everything last night is relative. No he did not have a particularly good night, but I was comparing in my mind to JJ and Bibby and Jamal.

Yes the over the backword was funny and sad.
Bottom line is I think this team needs to stay with Collins at center. The musical chair business is not working for Hawks. If Lion is injured, Play Collins at center. Bring Zaza in for his energy. Collins helps with D and not much else.

But more than anything shoreup the point guard position. Last night again that was the most glaring issue.

by ATLpaul on Feb 9, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

The case for Horford deserving some MVP votes just improved.

by redwards95 on Feb 9, 2011 6:18 AM EST reply actions  

Waste of my money once again

ATLpaul, you are absolutely correct in your post bro, I also left in the third quarter. Why would the Hawks take a night off at an important time in the season where every game counts? I’m done going to Hawks games this year, including playoff games. If the Hawks dont make trades for a better pg and/ or some quicker perimeter defenders, i dont think I will be watching anymore games this season. Change is needed and. LD needs to realize that this team is not getting any younger or better with this “core”. Besides Horford, any of them are exoendable IMO

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by Anonymous HawksGuy on Feb 9, 2011 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

Harsh LD Quote after the game.
I was expecting that, especially after my halftime talk. But I saw what I saw in the first half. It’s totally unacceptable to come out and play with that type of energy, that type of so-called passion, to play almost as if they don’t care. That’s a reflection of me. If that’s the case, then I’m going to have to make some changes in my starting lineup. I’ve seen that way too often. If that’s the way we’re going to start basketball games, I’m not going to sit here and take it. I’m going to make some changes.

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by Duff_Man on Feb 9, 2011 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

Hi, my name is Mo Evans.

I’m a veteran and I play HARD, even if not efficiently. Sure, there’s no real long-term upside to playing me (and arguably no real-time upside), but gosh darn it, coaches like me.

by mrHonline on Feb 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i wonder if he sits Josh

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Feb 9, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would you sit Smoove?

He is the defensive stopper on this team. It is not Smoove’s fault if we have no point guard, and if JJ is not into the game. I think Smoove is asked to do everythin for this team. Sit down Smoove and this team is doomed

by ATLpaul on Feb 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Last night’s game thread was full of Josh haters and trade scenarios. If we didn’t have Josh, we would be losing games by 30 on a nightly basis. This team has no interior defensive presence without him. NONE. So let’s trade him for Steve Nash so we can have no perimeter D and no interior D. That sure is working for Phoenix this year.

by frootbooty on Feb 9, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well to me Smoove tried but we know he makes mental mistakes

He is forced to cover for Bibby and Zaza both. At least play Jason Collins. His height makes people think twice before attacking. Last night he still had assists and still scored relatively well.

To me it was JJ that was really not into the game. But the root is really lack of a point with lateral movement, and then when we combine with Zaza, that hurts a lot.

by ATLpaul on Feb 9, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

guess what

we lost by 34 and 41 and 29 with him on the floor

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Feb 9, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the more accurate statement is...

…Sit Boss and this team is doomed.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Feb 9, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

I don’t know how you go from beating the Heat without Boss for most of the second half and all of overtime to losing by 40 without him and then 30 without him.
There is just too much of a discrepancy there. Something is amiss.

by frootbooty on Feb 9, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would I sit Smoove?

He’s not asked to everything for this team, he wants to do everything for this team. He wants to shoot three’s, bring up the ball past half-court, lead the fast break, and constently shoot jumpers that he is no better at than me. Sure he can pass, dunk, block, and the occasional steal, but where was that last night? Yes, I would sit Smith because he needs to be more short range and less long range. He needs to give up the ball to a guard in transition. We need his rebounding more than his three point shot. This team needs to wise up and Josh has to lead the way

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Feb 9, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at the line fro last night

Smoove last night had 7 assists
Scored 16 points (6 of 14 shooting) and (4 of 5 free throws).
One three pointer attempted.
One turnover.

Of all the Hawks if you go by the line, he was not the worst guilty party.

So you rather sit the highest scorer, the only guy who took it some inside (not as much as he should) and allow who to play in his place?

Game started with a JJ turnover. Smoove made a jumper. Made a great all court length pass to Zaza (and guess what Zaza got blocked at the rim). What I saw was someone that was in the game.

Instead look at JJ’s line.
Three of eight shots made. No free throw attempts.
One three pointer attempted
Five turnovers
One assist

If you are talking specifics about last night, IMO he and Marvin were the only two players trying. I can also say I saw more movement with Teague than with Bibby, but I won’t beat that dead horse. The lines above prove the point.

If you are talking generalities, ask yourself, why Smoove and Lion both lead fast breaks? If you answer because our point guard won’t, you win the prize. If you are talking jumpers, outside Bibby he has the best three point shot percentage of any hawk, but I also can argue LD’s system may need him to do some of that, and without a doubt his outside jumper and free throw shooting have improved. Also, how often he has been asked to play small forward this year because Marvin’s been out? And let’s remember, for all people asking him to take it inside, they have to remember he has great quickness, but lacks good handles, and bulk. He can easily be stripped of the ball taking it inside. Rebounding? He is second in Hawks in rebounding. 8.9 per game. Now I am in agreement that his shot selection can indeed be improved, but let’s be real. Josh Smoove Smith, is a beast and not the trouble spot for this team. Just because he is talented he takes all this heat.

by ATLpaul on Feb 9, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Silver Lining

The only good thing I can take away from this is that maybe it forces management’s hand to make a change before the trade deadline. I won’t be holding my breath, but the Hawks were seriously exposed last night.

It was the most abysmal performance I’ve ever seen, which is saying something because I was also unfortunately at the Hornets game.

by JStringATL on Feb 9, 2011 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

how could they even stick around us to begin with?

much less beat us by 30+ points on our home floor

Mathew 19:26 "With God, all things are possible"

by southman on Feb 9, 2011 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

Joe + Jamal = 12points

= combination of blowout game and shooting nightmare

fortunately, Hawks is pretty good at bouncing back from games like this.
so, i`m looking forward for the next game with Al back.

by kamaboko319 on Feb 9, 2011 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Three letters: WTF? This is the second most embarassing loss for the Hawks on their home floor. and it was against the Sixers of all team. guess it did not help with Al horford on the sidelines; however there should treally be no excuse for a blowout loss like that against inferior competition

by Jeffrey Thompson on Feb 9, 2011 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Sixers aren't that bad a team

They sucked early in the season but have been playing better. Some nights, the ball just doesn’t drop in and players get frustrated. Some of the worst shooting performances I’ve ever seen have come from the San Antonio Spurs – several years ago when they were one of the top teams. It happens.

by donniethelion on Feb 9, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Lou for a first, seriously you can have him.

by LeQuan Glover on Feb 9, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Bibby was just so awful last night defensively

He and Crawford both. Bibby has bad nights where he’ll rally and have a really good possession or two and force a bad shot, but last night, he couldn’t stay in front of anyone, and if he managed to just barely cut someone off from the basket, it still collapsed the defense.

Also, we spent a lot of the first half with no Zaza, so Josh Smith was essentially playing center, and he plays center the same way he plays every other position-he drifts to the perimeter and shoots too many jumpshots. He doesn’t have Horf’s lateral quickness, either, so he wasn’t able to hold down Elton Brand and still help out on people driving to the basket, leading to a an easy night inside for Brand.

No defense on the perimeter at all, and the sad part is that it’s largely because we didn’t have Horford available to bail out everyone.

by Bronn on Feb 9, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

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