Pyschological Affects of the Trade

by supraman on Feb 26, 2011 4:58 PM EST

Rick Sund trades away Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, Mo Evans, and a 1st round pick for Kirk Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong. People who think we have given up too much--lets reflect on the TRUE value of the players we gave up.

Mike Bibby's value. He was not the chip that pushed this trade over the hump to acquire the talent we did. Most likely he's what held the trade back. Not only is Bibby overpaid, he only does one facet of the game well--and that's to shoot 3's. He doesn't bring intangibles like leadership here anymore; we have seen this team go stagnant far too many times to think anyone on this team is a leader. The perception for Bibby is OVERVALUED. The guy is as useless as Tyronn Lue(Another guy who could only shoot 3's).

Jordan Crawford's value. Sure he dunked on LeBron and was a deadly shooter in college and had an upside to be the next Jamal Crawford. But he prances around the court as if he was a velocisaurus raptor. When he does get the ball he's looks sloppy with his handle and is a terrible passer.

Mo Evans' value. Was anyone else rubbed the wrong way on how Evans began growing his hair out? He was an okay backup, but now he's on the decline.

1st round pick. Well, if we go deep into the playoffs--conference finals or deeper--then does it really matter? The 2011 draft isn't looking too deep anyways. Put your faith in Sergiy Gladyr. He might make the team next year with the others out. He's a great 3-pt shooter, that has some athleticism to go along with it.
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What we got..........

Kirk Hinrich - Above average defender who can play the 1 and 2. An alright offensive player, who can still do everything at an acceptable level.

Hilton Armstrong - A Body.

Jeff Teague? - Teague could become the next Rando. Their athleticism is very similar. Rando use to be a liability in the offense, now that he has become a respectable jump shooter, players have to play him closer than they want to, which enables him to use his slashing ability and creative passing. Why this guy wasn't starting over Bibby before makes NO SENSE.

The psychological affect is that we traded players that seemed to have a close bond with our core players. Al and Josh referred to these players as family. The break-up was much needed, since the team was becoming accustomed to losing. Stirring the pot could have a profound affect on the team's psyche. Can't wait to see it put to the test vs the Trail Blazers.

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Financial effects of the trade...

we are looking at just over $60m committed to 7 players, and an ownership group that hates paying the luxury tax.
Hinrich/Teague
Joe
Marvin
Smooth
Horford/Zaza

That’s a pretty weak core, with a big need for an improved bench and no money to spend for them. To me, it seems almost certain Smooth, if not some combination of Zaza, Marvin, or Hinrich, will be dealt this summer.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 27, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions

Marvin

I’m sure they’ll try to move Marvin again. Personally, I’d be intrigued to see the Hawks try to move Joe to the 3 anyway. He’s certainly got the size, and as he starts to slow down he won’t be able to keep up with the league’s 2s, so why not shift him down?

I’m sure they’d also love to move Zaza. He’s making the right amount of money if he was actually consistently producing as a decent backup center. Instead we get the roller coaster ride.

This is where it kills to have traded Crawford and a 1st rounder. Those picks could have/should have been used to cheaply fill out the bench, but people have complained about that this entire year so I will leave it be…

by danielduello on Feb 27, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions

that isn't a weak core it's one of the most successful teams over the last few years and we don't know what the financial situation is gonna be like past this year so settle down

by thirdfALCON on Feb 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions

Ask 30 teams if they want to start next season with those 7, at that price...

and I bet they’d decline. IMO, it’s not the worst core in the league by any means, but that is a far cry from a championship starter set.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 27, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions

That doesn't even make sense

First of all it’s 29 teams cause we can’t trade rosters with ourselves. And second if we don’t have the worst core in the league, then there must be teams that would trade for our core.

Anyway just buying into all the negative hype and all the crap that the media throws on us.

The fact is that every trade we have made recently has been us trading useless trash for players that have had major impacts on the court. It’s the sign of a “GASP”, good front office!!!

Your like a little puppy that has been told he’s bad too many times, and now tragically has come to believe it.

by thirdfALCON on Feb 28, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions

Look at that roster...

it’s not a bad group of starters, especially if Hinrich fits in as good as possible. But it needs Teague to step up big time, and is extremely weak on the bench with no money to add there (unless the team is sold to someone willing to pay the luxury tax, or the ASG somehow becomes willing to do so). If Marvin begins to come around, it’s one of the better sets of starters, and if Teague does as well, it’s not bad. But as said, it is a far cry from a championship core without significant, unexpected improvements from multiple players, and it has absolutely no depth in the backcourt, on the wing, or up front, with no cash to add depth, and no draft picks to bring in cheap depth. If you see different, so be it. But I see a playoff caliber set of starters, if they can stay healthy, with what will probably be an extremely weak bench that will inhibit any chance for a run deep into the playoffs, and if injuries strike will keep the team from even making the post season. The East got stronger, while we treaded water this year and made things more difficult next year.

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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions

And just cause a team has a weaker core...

doesn’t mean they’d swap. It might be much cheaper, or more flexible for future growth, among other reasons one wouldn’t swap. The only teams that would want that core are willing to pay the luxury tax to add to it, and those teams tend to have a better core already (NY, Miami, Boston, LAL, OKC, among others).

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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 28, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions

The Knicks are not better than they were before the trade

They couldn’t rebound before the trade and they actually got SMALLER. It’s their achilles heel.

1.QB Ryan Mallett 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. G Ben Ijalana 4.NT Kendrick Ellis 5.S Tyler Sash 6.WR Lester Jean 6.RB Chad Spann 7.OLB Jamari Lattimore 7.Kicker 7.CB Richard Sherman

by supraman on Feb 28, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions

The lineup

3 of the 7 are under-producing or under-utilized. Marvin is not performing in line with his salary or his potential. Teague isn’t expensive, but he’s not living up to his potential. Zaza plays the horribly overpaid position of backup center, so relatively he’s not the biggest problem, but he’s playing the worst of his career. That’s the main problem with 60M. You can’t afford dead weight or long-term projects without deep pockets. If all cylinders were firing then 60M would be okay and the remaining roster spots would be fill-ins.

by Evil Dallas on Mar 1, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions