Atlanta Hawks Trade Rumors: Add Kirk Hinrich, Raymond Felton, And Andre Miller To The List
by Kris Willis on Feb 22, 2011 10:15 PM EST
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More trade buzz this time via Yahoo Sports Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc Spears. According to the report, you can add Kirk Hinrich, Raymond Felton, and Andre Miller to the list of point guards that the Hawks have inquired about. Also per Yahoo, Atlanta has been shopping Mike Bibby and Marvin Williams. As you well know there are a ton of rumors out there but I am not completely convinced that they are shopping Bibby as hard as the article makes it sound. Sure they would be willing to move him but it could leave them thin at the point guard position and remember coach Drew has shown no desire to play Jeff Teague regular minutes.
The Hawks have inquired about the Nets’ Harris, but there are no deal possibilities there, sources said.
When Michael Cunningham reported the rumor earlier, he suggested that Jamal would be the likely trade chip due to his salary being the closest match. This makes it sound like Atlanta might not be shopping Jamal.
On Ramon Sessions:
The Hawks also have explored trying to trade guard Jeff Teague and swingman Maurice Evans to the Cleveland Cavaliers for guards Ramon Sessions and Manny Harris, one source said.
This is pretty close to what was discussed before but it doesn't really say that it was offered or even talked about with Cleveland so proceed with caution.
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Bibby for Hinrich
Doesn’t work according to ESPN’s Trade Machine. There would have to be more added to the deal.
@KrisPTHoops
Hinrich is not an upgrade on offense
but defensively maybe
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Looks like that is the priority
@KrisPTHoops
by Kris Willis on Feb 22, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
PG Need &
Like the PG trends, hopefully one of them will happen. Another name that could be considered is Troy Murphy. He has an expiring contract, he’s a big that can be a double-double threat with both inside and outside shooting and can play both PF and C to spell both J-Smoove and Al. Better offense than ZaZa and J-Collins.
If Cleveland management isnt messed up in the head, they wont do that deal
Sessions>Teague
Mo Evans=Harris, while Harris is 10 years younger.
If there was a pick involved, then Cleveland might do it.
Right now, sure
By the time Cleveland is competitive again, Teague might be a better player than Sessions.
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See the post below by KW
neither Teague nor Sessions would be a part of any long term plans, it’s about money and not owing it.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
If we get kirk
then I might just kill myself and stop being a basketball fan
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
Kirk is better than what we have
and I’m ashamed to say that.
1.QB Ryan Mallett 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. G Ben Ijalana 4.NT Kendrick Ellis 5.S Tyler Sash 6.WR Lester Jean 6.RB Chad Spann 7.OLB Jamari Lattimore 7.Kicker 7.CB Richard Sherman
For the past 2 years my freinds and I have held a tradition of heckling kirk heinrich at every hawks game
I also have a friend that was a bulls fan and I gave him hell about kirk. Same with my friend that is a wizards fan
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
Not to sound bad
but I have seen Britney Grinner go up stronger to the hoop than zaza
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
you say that cus you know its true
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
Zaza is weak
last night he made good moves but it looked like me playing my son, I could just muscle him into missing the shot….trade him
So to summarize
We are linked to every PG potentially on the market. Our deficiencies are so glaring that any PG who might be available is seen as a potential upgrade for us. Sad, but true. Also sad is that if there were Centers available we’d probably be linked to them as well for the same reasons.
The fact that it is so obvious is really going to hurt when Thursday comes and we’ve not made a deal.
by Evildallas on Feb 23, 2011 2:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I`m not a big fan of Hinrich
my ranking is
1. Harris
2. Sessions
3. Felton
4. Miller
5. Hinrich
it depends on who we give up, but this is my simple wish list
Kirk Hairlick is not what Hawks need
i would rather play Teague than Hairlick. Yes Hinrich Hailick an upgrade on Bibby, but so is Martha Stewart. All I am saying, is we need another type of player, someone that is slashing and can penetrate inside. Hawks are in tough tough spot. Hairlick plays good D, but offensively he is not a Hawk. How low we have gone, to be considering take away the cows throwaways…
Slashing and can penetrate inside
Sounds like Teague to me.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
That's fine for you
But that doesn’t change the fact that he represents the cheapest solution and fills the needs we all seem to think are required, that being a slashing, penetrating, dishing PG that doesn’t depend on long jumpers, and can defend, or at least defend better than Bibby and/or JC, as well as not taking us over the cap.
At this point I will concede that he doesn’t represent a long term solution, but only because I don’t have enough evidence to support otherwise. However, I will not concede that he can’t do those above things well enough to be a viable starting PG for this team as it exists right now. In fact, I don’t believe he has to be at Rondo’s caliber, or Deron Williams’, or Chris Paul’s, for both he and the team to be successful with him playing the majority of the PG minutes. We have enough talent in Horford, Smith, and JJ that I don’t believe Teague has to be that good. He just has to be smart and hold his own on defense.
If Drew, Sund, and the ASG think otherwise, then that’s fine too. We clearly have different opinions about who and/or what Teague can/should be.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Neither you or I are at practice and see everything each day
All you are looking at is his physical abilities and what “he could” become. Don’t get me wrong I would love to have seen him on the court. Clearly there is something missing from this story still as I find it hard to believe that he is simply being dismissed because he is young.
@KrisPTHoops
No, I'm not
I’m looking at the numbers that have been put forth showing that in the limited minutes he gets, he is better than Bibby. That’s empirical data supporting his “physical abilities” on the court, small sample size aside. Is he going to shoot better than Bibby? Of course not, but we don’t need him to. We don’t need him to be Bibby + Teague, we just need him to be Teague.
My point is that many have stated what they believe to be the desired PG for this team with all other things being equal, yourself included. Teague encompasses a majority of those items already and that he doesn’t have to become anything other than what he already is to be a better option than Bibby right now. So, if the team needs a PG to drive-n-dish, defend, not take long jumpers, and the ASG needs those qualities on the cheap, then the damned draft pick is the best solution.
And please, stop talking about practice, something they might do once or twice a week at best, like it matters. Even Horford has mentioned multiple times how good practice is and yet the games do not reflect it. Clearly practice does this team little good and if Drew can’t see the issues on the court, then what makes you think that he can see them in practice, much less the positives of a young draft pick?
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
No I think practice and how you approach things is very big in decision process
Again you don’t have to agree with me that is fine. I know from experience that as a coach if I can’t count on the guy then he isn’t playing. It is as simple as that and like it or not that trust is built in practice and how you handle yourself.
@KrisPTHoops
Sure, at the lower levels is highly important
But exactly when did you coach an NBA team? In the NBA, the players hold the majority of the power because they cost more. A team is more likely to get rid of a coach because the players dislike them than it is for them to get rid of a player because the coach doesn’t like them. If we were discussing the merits of practice at the high school and college levels, then I would fully agree with you because you are dealing with kids who are learning the fundamentals. However, in the pros it’s expected that you already know the fundamentals and are ready to learn the more advanced sets and nuances of the more physical professional level.
That’s why they can get away with not practicing more than an hour the morning of a game on an extended road trip, or go a week without practicing at all. And to your point, we can’t count on Bibby to defend a snail yet he keeps getting the majority of the minutes, so what gives there?
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Also
I only ask that you stop mentioning practice because it’s the crutch of your entire opinion every single time we discuss Teague and more PT, yet you just stated that no one knows what happens in practice. If that’s the case, then how can you point to practice as the basis of your opinion? That’s completely subjective, not to mention contradictory.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
But Jesse...
don’t you think, if Teague showed all this potential in practice and everywhere else, he’d get playing time? We’ve debated this until we’re all blue in the face. There is something missing with Teague. I think it speaks volumes that Teague isn’t breaking LD’s door down trying to figure out what he needs to do to get playing time. I have a problem with that. I suspect that he got comfortable because LD publically stated that the starting position was his for the taking. JC2 ran circles around this cat in training camp. All I’m saying is there is a reason why Teague doesn’t get a lot of playing time.
Can't eat sushi in Utah, brother.....Landlocked
I'm not saying he showed anything in practice
I’ve never pointed at practice as a source for my opinions because just as Kris has stated, no one here knows what goes on in practice and therefore none of us, positively or negatively, can say that practice is the reason why Teague doesn’t get more PT. Is it possible? Sure, but it’s also just as likely that he doesn’t get to run with the starters in practice either and that practice has nothing to do with it.
That’s my only gripe with constantly pointing to practice.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Also
I can’t say one way or the other that Teague isn’t doing everything to fix whatever the issue is, but I fully agree that there is something going on there that is causing him to not get even consistent minutes regardless of the amount.
And wasn’t Teague injured most of training camp?
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
so basically you are saying
that our coaching staff is incompetent and can’t recognize the talent that is Jeff Teague. Nevermind that the Hawks employ actual NBA coaches that have been assistants on many other NBA staffs. The majority also played in the NBA which you know is a higher level than college and high school. There is no way they can make a better basketball decision than someone like you.
I contended that there had to be another reason that Teague wasn’t playing and pointed to maybe his performance in practice as a reason. Now which one sounds more far fetched and contradictory?
Don’t even bother answering because I am done with this. You just enjoy arguing with anyone that doesn’t agree with YOUR opinion.
@KrisPTHoops
by Kris Willis on Feb 23, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Awww, don't get testy on me, jaybus
I wouldn’t say they are completely incompetent, but then we have such stellar examples in their use of Powell and Thomas, or better yet, the continual allowance of Smith hanging around the perimeter shooting long jumper after long jumper. Those aren’t exactly screaming endorsements of competency if you ask me.
I don’t think I’m better than they are, but even you have identified issues in your game recaps. Does that mean I should call you out after each one that you think you know better than the coaching staff? Of course not because that’s just petty.
Sorry if I upset you, but I just wanted you to point to something objective to support Teague not playing. You clearly think it begins and ends in practice and I disagree. Guess that’s where we stand and I’ll leave it alone.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
You didn't
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
...can't count on Bibby to defend a snail?
now that he’s gone, I hope you get the PG of your dreams.
Well, that's not gonna happen obviously
But it was never about him being gone for me. I still think Bibby has (or ‘had’ now I suppose) value to this team, just in a reduced state. Not only would reducing Bibby’s minutes been better for this team defensively, but it would have been better for Bibby long term as well because he has been looking tired on the court lately. Reducing his minutes would have gone a long way towards keeping him fresh for the playoffs when his experience would be needed most.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
I would love to hear the REAL story on Teague.
He shows flashes of briliance, but he doesn’t strike me as a “go-getter”.
Can't eat sushi in Utah, brother.....Landlocked
Deron Williams now on the block
Give Utah the keys to the Hawk and enough draft picks to last them until the end of time!
Horford, Zaza, Cash, 1st rounders x Infinity, Evans, and Larry Drew
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He isn't on the block, he is already gone
@KrisPTHoops
by Kris Willis on Feb 23, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wish we could have jumped in there...
maybe offering Josh and Jamal, along with draft picks and other salary fillers, for Deron Williams and say Paul Milsap or Andrei Kirilenko.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 23, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh.. Dumb ass Management...
The hawks management team gets dumber by the minute. This is what happens when you get a bunch of monkeys to run a team…sigh
Just go for sessions...see how this deal fancies you
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Those are Good Players..... How about....
Those are Good Players…. How About…..Joachim Noah, Rodney Stuckey, Marc Gasol, Willie Green, Jeff Green, Shawne Wiilliams, Spencer Hawes, Al Thornton, Glen Davis,
A. Brooks, A.Affalo, Although I would Definatey lt resign Jamal Crawford even if it takes exception. These players may be Affordable (within Cap) if you can resign them after this year as most are free agents at end of year.
You mention Bibby, M. Williams and Teague....
You Mention M. Bibby , Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague,……. Mike Bibby is top 6 in 3 Point Shots Percentage. Marvin Williams is Great on Rebounds and Scoring…. If a deal is Cnsidered You should look at Hawks Bench.Etan Thomas, Jeff Teague,Maurice Evans, Josh Powell Jordan Crawford (who could possibly be Joe Johnson ‘s Backup some day., Damien Wilkens, or Zaza Pauchula. It may tale a Starter for some of above names but on Free agents after 2011 it wouldn’t generally be worth it unless they are signed to longer conmtract with them being free agents at end of season etc.
But I would Keep Josh Smith and Al Horford and not entertain offers on them
Also Joe Johnson is about untouchable…
Looks like we're getting hinrich
Just read on yahoo looks like we’re going to agree to send bibby, JC2 and mo for hinrich and some center i’ve never heard of. also looks like we’re giving away a pick as well
Well Hinrich Had Twelve assists in a game this year or last.......
He may be good, if he can dish it out……. Also Hilton Armstrong may help on Scoring and rebounding if he gets more time, their coach was using him like Teague. You hate to lose Bibby aswll as Mo and not to mention Jordan Crawford who may be as good as Ben Gorden or Rodney Stuckley or a First round pick ..It may help the team.
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