Trade Rumors: Hawks Interested In New Jersey's Devin Harris?
by Kris Willis on Feb 22, 2011 7:10 AM EST
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According to the AJC's Michael Cunningham, the Hawks are casting a wide net over potential help at the point guard position. Cunningham reports that Atlanta has inquired about a possible trade with New Jersey for their starting point guard Devin Harris.
Harris would be a clear upgrade for Atlanta at the point guard position as it would be adding an All-Star caliber talent to the lineup. Harris is currently averaging 15 points and 7.6 assists for the Nets.
Cunningham speculates in his post that Jamal Crawford would be the likely candidate going to New Jersey as they are one of the teams that is thought of being interested in signing him this off-season.
Jamal Crawford seems to be the obvious candidate because his expiring $10.1 million contract would allow the Nets to carve out even more cap space for next season–they have just $37 million in committed salaries. Also, the Nets are said to be one of the teams interesting in signing Crawford if he becomes a free agent this summer. But so far there’s been no indication that Sund is looking to move Crawford.
If the Hawks landed the Harris for Crawford swap, then by my math, the move would still keep them out of the luxury tax for this season. It however would push them over the tax line next season once Al Horford's contract extension kicks in. Of course the climate for next season may change drastically anyway with the CBA negotiations this summer. Harris is due 9.3 million for next season and 8.5 million in 2012-2013. Harris turns 28 this Sunday.
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Do it!
I love Jamal and wish we could keep him, but I don’t see how the Hawks could pass on this deal. Harris would be a huge upgrade at PG. He is one of the best penetrators in the league.
DO IT...
Harris would be a good compliment to Joe imo, and his attacking would open up Marvin to hang around the perimeter and knock down open Js. He’d be a great addition to the core of Joe, Josh, Al, and Marvin. He’d make Teague expendable (or Bibby and his higher salary), and allow the team to focus on two missing pieces, a better SF and C.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Damn
I mentioned Harris yesterday but that was wishful thinking. They are actually considering it?!
The game is the game.
by a hooter's baby on Feb 22, 2011 8:32 AM EST reply actions
do it.....do it now
i doubt New Jersey will only do a 1 for 1 trade. They might also want Jordan Crawfor or a first round pick
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
considering we don't do much with our picks anyway
We might as well give up a pick. In my opinion, we could give up Bibby and Jamal for Harris. For one, Devin can do everything Bibby can do, but faster and better. For two, he could probably help w/ Teague since they’re pretty much the same type of player. Bibby is only as good as his three point shot takes him these days, so if he’s not making them, he’s a cancer to the team.
"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Feb 22, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
exactly what I was thinking about our picks
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
Jamal and Teague makes more sense...
Bibby would be a good change of pace behind Harris, and with Harris’ length and defensive ability, they could also play alongside each other against smaller backcourts. Plus they’d probably want a young player to replace their young player.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 22, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Fine, ASG would rather move Bibby than Teague...
but Bibby only has one year left after this season, and it takes two to make a deal. If you’re the Nets, and are already taking on salary now (Jamal alone makes more than Harris), why would you double down on that with Bibby, instead of the cheaper, younger Teague? And check the salaries yourself. Bibby and Jamal make too much more than Harris for it to work, so you’d have to take back contracts equal or greater than Bibby for such a trade to work. Again, “look at the salaries” as you say, including Bibby likely puts the Hawks on the hook for more money over a longer period of time than they’d be obligated to by simply keeping him here and sending Teague instead.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 22, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Jamal's salary is off the books after this year is left
And Bibby still has next left on his contract. That’s two expiring contracts off the books that the Nets can pick up while getting rid of a long-term contract Devin signed last year.
"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Feb 22, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
See above...
Jamal and Bibby combined make over $15m. Harris alone makes under $9m. Salary cap rules with the Nets where they are against the cap prohibit this move, so add more salary from the Nets. Looking at their roster, that’s something like Johan Petro and Anthony Morrow, meaning by supposedly getting out from under the Bibby deal, you have to take back larger deals for more years (considering Jamal’s salary NOW, which is what counts for cap rules, is over $1m more than Harris’, so including Bibby means you have to find salaries that can match his, plus the $1m excess of Jamal over Harris).
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Over half the season is already over
so NJ wouldn’t be paying the entier 15 mil. What abt next year or the year after that??? It works out in NJ’s favor. they’ll probably pay maybe 6 mil remaining on JC1 and Bib’s contract combined and pay probably abot 3 for DH. But next year, Bibby is due 6.5 and DH is due 8.5 while JC1 is off the books. New Jersey’s current cap is $58 mil, which is 11 mil LESS than what the Hawks have, so they can afford to take on both salaries for a third of the season while stay well below the salary cap.
"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Feb 22, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
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"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Feb 22, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
No, they can't
The Hawks are over the cap but below the luxury tax thanks to Joe Johnson’s deal. NBA salary rules for trades prohibits a Bibby/Jamal for Harris deal without the Nets shedding some salary. Yes, the Nets current cap is $58m, but guess what, that’s the NBA salary cap!
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/07/salary.cap/index.html
So for the 3rd time since you seem to be struggling to comprehend this, the trade you are suggesting is absolutely impossible due to NBA rules. It can’t happen, even if the Nets were for some reason stupid enough to agree to it. If you want that to work, you need to get the Nets shedding another $6m in salaries, either to the Hawks or to a 3rd team.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
First, i'm not failing to comprehendanything.
I’m mean’t to say luxury tax instead of salary cap. Since both teams are already over the SALARY CAP, NJ has more room than the Hawks, being that they’re only over a couple hundred thousand bucks and could avoid the LUXURY TAX. To make the trade even, throw in Morrow and Quentin Ross, a decent backup SF since we are already shopping Marvin, the trade works.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
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"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Feb 22, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Now you get it...
as I said all along, Bibby/Jamal for Harris would be voided by the NBA, and others (like Morrow and Ross) would have to be included. More room under the luxury tax doesn’t mean they can go over the salary cap. Teams like Minnesota could take on large contracts because they were under the cap. NJ isn’t, and therefore any trade where they add salary won’t work.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
The Nets don't want Bibby, especially not in a trade where they give up the better player.
I’m talking about next season. The Hawks cannot afford to take on a ton more salary for next season with the uncertainty of the upcoming CBA looming.
That’s why they aren’t likely to trade Jamal. The most movable pieces are Teague, JC2, Zaza, Evans, and picks. And that ‘crap salad’ is why the Hawks aren’t likely to make a move.
which is why we might as well give up picks
since we don’t use them wisely anyways
"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Feb 22, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
So who will be our backup sg be?
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
if i can also have anthony morrow for teague
so Jamal + Teague for Harris + Morrow
this would be the best!
so morrow can take Jamal spot
but i still do it with Jamal for Harris only
i like
Finally a Hawks trade idea that would be a significant upgrade. Getting Harris or Felton from Denver would make a lot more sense than Sessions.
With Denver getting Felton...
do they want both him and Ty Lawson?
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Feb 22, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hell
give Denver our first and second rounder, Jamal’s expiring contract and almost whatever else they want for Felton and Nene.
not Nene, Denver really wants to keep him
Apparently they aren’t going to deal Felton either, but he isn’t happy about being there
Harris cost Twice as Sessions
Harris cost twice as much as Sessions and is 3 years older. Plus you may only have to give up a 1st rounder for Session.(We pick 24th or later)
Harris is a better defender and has played with winning teams in the playoffs..
Tough choice
by Rufus1 on Feb 22, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not for the ASG.
The luxury tax will keep the Hawks from adding someone like Harris or Felton.
Sessions makes the most sense. Teague/Zaza for Hollins/Sessions fits what both teams are looking for, IMHO. Zaza is overpaid based on his role (3rd center), but he would get major minutes in Cleveland. The Cavs already have a veteran PG in Williams, so Teague gives them some upside. (I’m not of the opinion that Sessions has a lot of upside).
The Hawks get a guy who Drew will actually play some at PG to spell Bibby. They get out from under the last year of Zaza’s contract, too.
The point is not just to make a trade for the sake of making a trade. It’s to make a trade that upgrades the team enough to make it a legitimate contender (if not this year, then next year). If the Hawks get Sessions and don’t make any other moves, that’s not even enough to get them past the 2nd round (or possibly even the first round).
i agree
With the Melo added to NY and the Bulls playing well, the Hawks are in trouble if they don’t make some moves
Knicks
The Knicks were playing well with the team they had. Now they got rid of all the guys that were playing well and added a player who isn’t at all interested in playing defense or rebounding. I don’t see this helping them in the playoffs at all.
i dont care what the "knocks" are on melo
the knicks with billups, melo, and amare are a better team then they were two days ago. Its time for the Hawks to grow some cajones and try to legitimately improve this team with harris if they want to even have a shot at 1st round home court
You wanna get high? Don't forget to bring a towel!
And now think what happens if knicks add a CP3 or Deron or Howard
That team is going to be a magnate now for another superstar to be added.
There is no question, that knicks are not finished adding pieces. They may take a step back this year, but mark my words, outside of an injury, the knicks will be a force in the East for the next few years.
Supposedly...
Billups deal comes off the books as Paul and Williams become free agents, and that will be the third wheel.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I respectively disagree
I think Sessions could be a difference maker at a more reasonable cost. Harris has talent, but it all depends on how much of a hole is created while securing a trade. We don’t have a lot of coveted assets to make moves.
by Evil Dallas on Feb 22, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
felton might be a viable option as well
although denver may want more even though they have a lot now
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Problem is ASG have put themseleves in a real tough spot with the JJ contract
They already have once of the highest payrolls in the East. And to add Harris or Felton, they will go into luxury tax. What is tough is not just this year, but next year when Lion and JJ increases kick-in. Even with Jamal contract and Mo off the book, the Harris or Felton contracts would be too much to overcome.
Without a doubt Harris is a termendous talent. The kind of talent that immediately makes Hawks a much better team. I would give up Teague and Jamal. I would be hesitant to give up both JC2 and Jamal. But again, for Harris, anything is possible.
Biggest challenge is the salary cap and whether for a ownership group that is already struggling with bad financials, and one of the higest payrolls in the East, if they be willing to take the risk of going with Harris.
The only way to alleviate the fear of the luxury tax is to get big names here
and dump some salary. With JJ’s contract the ASG should be all-in trying to win a championship now. The fans win come, the TV exposure, and winning will become natural. With a championship core the hawks can mix up the supporting pieces year in and out if they want.
JJ’s contract isn’t his fault and if the Hawks didn’t think he didn’t deserve it he would have gotten it. If they didn’t but was afraid of a losing season, the only way to justify the contract is to go for a title.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
trade
Haven’t done the #’s, but how about:
Felton and Nene
for
Teague, ZaZa, Josh Smith, 1st round pick
Josh is a terrific talent but his basketball knowledge (taking bad shots when momentum swings and other team is making a run), just limits this team in my opinion.
Zaza has no offensive game and just fouls people. Been to many games this year, and just don’t like his game.
Teague, simply can’t shoot.
Felton
Johnson
M.Williams
Horford
Nene
Look to move M. Williams in off-season for another small forward, and upgrade bench (resign J. Crawford).
I think this sets up us nicely for a great starting 5, allowing Al to move to power forward and allows us flexibility for the bench.
I'd trade him to the Broncos if they'd play ball.
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by Duff_Man on Feb 22, 2011 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would disagree
I am a big fan of Josh’s athleticism. There is no doubt he is skilled, but if you really look watch games, go to games, you have the crowd screaming DON’T SHOOT THAT. It is usually at times when the game dictates you bang it inside. The other team is making a run. And it just throws everything off. In the past I would say, well that is the coach’s responsibility to tell him not to do it. He is now in his mid 20’s. Basically he is a grown man, but doesn’t act like it, or is stubborn. I love what he brings to the defensive side, however, you have to give up talent to get talent.
Nene is a good young center (you need someone to go up against the big centers in the East, and exploit those that don’t).
Felton or Ty Lawson would give us the perimeter speed offensively and defensively, that can also make outside shots (something Teague just can’t do or at least doesn’t have the confidence).
The belief has been keep the team together and we will get over the hump. I just don’t see it. Marvin is regressing. Josh has the same issues every year (taking bad outside shots). Joe is a given and Al is a given. If you can strengthen your point guard and center position, I just feel you have to do it. I still think the bench is an issue (need a solid back-up PF) and another three point shooter. But you should be able to get that relatively on the cheap compared to starter money.
Just my opinion from watching every game this year, and attending 15.
Joe is a given what?
4 for 16 shooting night? The only thing consistent about JJ is his paycheck.
This team has so many issues that a quick jumper on the shot clock is not anywhere near the top of them. Like it or not, Josh probably shoots a better percentage than the guys we supposedly want shooting three’s. Just because the fair weather fans don’t want him shooting jump shots, that doesn’t mean he can’t make them or that he hasn’t hit some very big shots for us this year.
I don’t know why we are even talking about this anyway. Josh isn’t going anywhere and Denver is already talking extensions with Nene
Tough Call
Like the Hawks going after Devin, definitely can give up Jeff and something extra. Bibby would be hard to move to NJ cause they may want to go younger or have expiring contracts.
Another intriguing move could be if the Hawks would go after a player such as Iguodala to have a good tough minded SF to be a point forward and to guard what is going on in NY and South Beach at the SF position. They could move Marvin and Zaza and a 2013 or 14 1st rd pick. No matter how good Marvin plays, we as fans would always remember that he’s no CP3 or D-Will when we all knew that we needed a PG. And for inside play, they could pick up someone like Earl Barron for cheap just to take up space, alter a few shots by being close to 7ft, athletic, and long, and he also has 6 fouls to replace Zaza.
Tell me this....
what would our bench look like if we did this? HUH!???!
You mean Jamal for Harris straight?...
the starters would be Harris and Joe at G, Smoove and Horford on the frontline with Collins/Marvin depending on opponent. The bench would then have the other of Collins/Marvin up front alongside Zaza, Josh Powell, and Etan Thomas, plus Bibby, Teague, and Jordan Crawford behind the Gs, Mo Evans and Damien Wilkins on the wing.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
Bottom line
If we trade Jamal, our bench is going to suck worse than it does now when Jamal is off.
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JC2 is gonna have to step up and fill his shoes.
I know we haven’t seen enough of him, but I think he’s capable. Even if he’s as streaky as Jamal was, he plays better defense and gets rebounds, which is always a plus.
Jamal is being misused
He is being used as a point guard. He won’t perform at his value, he MUST be traded
I'm all for this trade.
Harris is everything we need in a PG.
The other teams teams who are interested are Portland and Dallas.
Portland is offering A.Miller and J.Przybilla for D.Harris and T.Murphy.
Or A.Miller, J.Przybilla and G.Oden for D.Harris, T.Murphy and a 1st Round pick.
I’m not sure about Dallas, but I hear they’re working on a 3 way deal with Denver where R.Felton & T. Mozgov would go to the Nets, Harris would go to Dallas, and Denver would get draft picks.
The stats are a wash.
Except that Assists go up. I would have to look at a Jamal for Harris deal as a good thing for this squad because of the position involved. I feel that with our offense, Harris could make Horford and Josh’s games elevate.
Yeah it’s no certainty it would work, but there is certainty that what we have will not. No risk, no reward.
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by Duff_Man on Feb 22, 2011 3:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
how many people trust Sund and ASG?
Was this org not the same one that talked about trading for big Z near trade deadline last year?
Was this org not the same one that talked about getting a real coach (Avery Johnson) and then settled for the cheapest option?
Was this org not the same one that talked about getting Shaq and trading Marvin and then backed off.
Sund=most incompetent GM in NBA. He put Hawks in this spot by signing Zaza and Bibby and Marvin. He should be fired. I don’t trust this man until I see something signed.
we see what a great job he did for the super sonics
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
I take it you have never heard of David Kahn?
by xavip on Feb 22, 2011 5:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder why we are not trying to trade Zaza
He is the worst big in the league. Is there any one that would take Zaza off our hands? Walking by his restaurant today, it is closed. Dude can’t even run a restaurant. That was a successful place, and now it is close for business period. He fumbles the restaurant business like his layups.
Any trade made should be for 2012 and beyond
Not for the current playoff chase. Of course any trade made should make us more competitive this season but we know our fan base. They barely come out to see a winning ballclub and there aren’t any real big expectations to even make it to ECF’s this season. So go ahead and blow up the Hawks . We still will make the playoffs. Attendance will be the same. Therefore I think we should make a move for Ramon Sessions or Lawson( And let the PG know from the start, he is the leader. No deferring to JJ, Horford, or Smoove. We needed a PG to run our team!) Next thing I want to address is JJ. JJ’s contract is a hinderance but it’s not as bad as most people make it out to be, because when u add contract totals of JJ/Horford vs. Carmelo/Amare’ for example i think the talents for both combos are equivalent over the next 2 seasons perhaps. That is why I would roll the dice on Sessions/Lawson (More cap maneuverability) as opposed to signing Harris. And the key to everything is Josh Smith. Will he improve or has he peaked. I think he will never get any better than he is now. I can’t really recall any championship team with one of it’s best players a basketcase except the Pistons. So I think we should trade him for a big and etc. this season, this summer or next season. He has a good contract considering his talent. So we have options, it’s just do we have a GM to make it work and an ownership ready to commit the finances.
by xavip on Feb 22, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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