Hawks Among Three Teams Interested In Cleveland's Ramon Sessions
by Kris Willis on Feb 17, 2011 8:33 PM EST
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Kurt Helin of Pro Basketball Talk runs down the Ramon Sessions trade rumors and says that the Hawks, Trailblazers, and Knicks have reportedly shown interest. Helin doesn't list any specific Hawks players as likely candidates headed to Cleveland but does say that Sessions to Atlanta makes a lot of sense for the Hawks.
When discussing the trade yesterday, we wondered out loud what kind of defensive upgrade Sessions would be over Bibby. Helin touches on that subject in his post:
The question is on defense — is he a better defender than Bibby? The numbers on Synergy this season say no, and Byron Scott has been frustrated with Sessions’ defense in Cleveland. But Bibby has such better big men behind him covering up his mistakes than Sessions we find it hard to compare. Basically, we’re not sure Sessions can be worse than Bibby.
That isn't potentially what Hawks fans want to hear.
Helin goes on to say in the article that the team that offers the best package of expiring contracts and or picks would likely be the front runner to obtain Sessions. Yahoo Sports goes a step further and suggests that the Hawks are offering a mere second round pick for Sessions.
The paper also notes that the Atlanta Hawks are said to have interest in Sessions. Several sources say that the Hawks are offering a second-round pick for Sessions, but the Plain Dealer reports that that won't be enough. The Plain Dealer says that rookie Jordan Crawford(notes), whose big claim to fame is that he dunked on LeBron James(notes) a few summer camps ago, is a possibility.
Now I don't believe the second round pick offer is valid for two reasons. Atlanta has a full 15 man roster at the moment and would have to waive someone to make room for Sessions. Also by adding him for a draft pick it would push Atlanta well into the luxury tax which seems unlikely. The Hawks would probably rather push Jeff Teague into the trade rather than the rookie Jordan Crawford.
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By trading Jeff Teague for Ramon Sessions
We’re trading someone that we know is better defensively than Bibby for someone who we think is better defensively than Bibby. Just, putting that out there.
lets bo honest withourselves
is it possible to be worse than bibby defensivly?
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
so do you think sessions could be worse than crawford and bibby?
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
actually here's question I just thought up
who is more capable of defending the other if jamal and Bibby were to go 1 v 1?
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
The only hang up with trading Teague
is if you actually still think there is a chance that he can play. Which the Hawks are showing no signs of.
@KrisPTHoops
I can still be disappointed with the decision making that requires the Hawks to trade a good young player for someone else who might not end up being a serious improvement, only because that other player has gotten more playing time in HIS young career and you have a better idea of what you’re getting.
Sessions is not such a great player that I can clearly say he’s better than what Teague could be, and in fact, he has enough problems in his game that there are plenty of reasons he shouldn’t end up playing extensive minutes here.
That is a good point
but here is what we know. Sessions is an upgrade if for no other reason than he brings more experience. Neither can shoot the three and Sessions probably can make better decisions.
We call Teague a great defender but in reality we don’t know if he is or not. The reality is he should be better than Bibby because he is younger and quicker. Can’t the same thing be said about Sessions?
Don’t get me wrong. I would have liked to have seen Teague get a shot. I would still like to see it but I won’t not throw him in on a deal if the deal will make us better.
@KrisPTHoops
Never said Teague was a great defender
Actually, he’s pretty indifferent to date, since young players have a tougher time the defensive aspect of the NBA and he doesn’t have enough serious game minutes where he’s asked to carry big defensive responsibilities. We know that Teague’s quickness makes him better against the people who kill Bibby, and his willingness to work at it beyond the occasional gamble makes him better than Jamal. His quickness and good hands are the basis for eventually becoming a very solid defender.
We're also trading someone...
we don’t play for someone we might.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
I thought the same thing when we drafted Teague
Hey, we’re using a first round draft pick on someone we might play. Same with Acie and lord knows how many other players.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Man I hate to loose a valuable second round pick.
Would you start Sessions over Bibby?
The pick
First I wish we had an organization that valued second round picks and knew how to use them. We don’t, so giving one up doesn’t seem to matter that much. We gave our 2nd rounder the year Sessions went late to Dallas for Anthony Johnson. Dallas was dumping him for tax savings, we shouldn’t have given up a pick (Glen Davis, Josh McRoberts, Kyrylo Fesenko, Aaron Gray, Marc Gasol, Ramon Sessions all went after the pick we gave away).
The trade exception we have isn’t large enough to accommodate Sessions so matching salary would have to go back. At the minimum that would be Mo Evans and Etan Thomas or Jordan Crawford (using Jeff Teague instead allows us to stay within the luxury tax threshold). I assume the 2nd rounder is in addition to a package with a recent former first like Teague or Crawford in it. If the trade was Evans, Thomas, and a pick for Sessions then I could see it being a 1st rounder.
During February Sessions has been averaging 19.6 ppg, 8.9 apg, and 3.8 rpg in starters minutes. Those are solid numbers plus he’s averaged 7.6 free throw attempts per game. I would anticipate that given his recent play that an offer of a recent 1st rounder and future first and expiring filler would be needed to close the deal. Personally I’d risk Teague, Evans, and a 1st to get in those skill sets (penetration, getting to the line, scoring in a way other than jump shots) our lineup seems to be without. I hate giving up picks, but without improving the PG position it’s likely that we’ll have another quick exit from the playoffs.
I don't know why you think this team is unable to utilize it's second round pick.
Look how great this year’s second rounder is working out. Oh, wait.
by RamblininAlb on Feb 17, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest
I was shocked that they signed Pape Sy and saw it as a step in the right direction compared to the years of long shots and traded picks from the Billy Knight era. The injuries are a downer, but our previous euro-picks never made it to the states.
Consider the level he played at before coming...
and his layoff for health reasons, he’s got respectable numbers right now for the Flash
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/pape_sy/index.html?nav=page
For a psuedo PG, you’d like either better #s in 3s, assists, steals, or blocks (at least assists and one other) but it’s a start. We’ll see what he’s got next year.
And I’d rather go for Devin Harris than Ramon Sessions. But maybe do Varejao and Sessions for Jamal, helps up front, and let Teague compete with Sessions and Crawford 2 for backup minutes at PG (which he clearly ain’t getting) or SG (where maybe he can).
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
We do know that Varejao is out correct?
Even though I would probably still be for acquiring him.
@KrisPTHoops
Yeah...
but he has a few years left on his deal, if you think he comes back 100% and can be the C alongside/behind Horford we need. And even if you have to cut Etan Thomas to make it work in roster #s, you just lost what, maybe 6, 7 minutes of playing time the rest of the way that can just go to Josh Powell or Zaza anyway.
http://sportsandgrits.blogspot.com/
i dont think these people have actually been to a hawks game
because I dont think they truly understand the extent of how much of a defensive liability Bibby is
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
TRADE THE PICK!!
Trade any and all picks. And aside from Smoove and Horf, trade any and all players too.
This front office as currently constructed has shown draft picks are a waste of their time. I mean Sheldon Williams in the first round? C’mon! Maybe we should try to help facilitate the ’melo deal. Anything we can do to plug the holes. No pick should be off limits.
by birdwatch on Feb 18, 2011 2:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Forget ramon sessions
An go with Mo ,Parker, jamison, and Varejao……for Josh Powell , Marvin Williams, Jordan Crawford and Evans and any pick they want…hell give them all if we want to be champs!!!!!
Thank you for pointing this out
Somehow we went from acquiring a point guard to being the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers minus the only guy on the team that could play
+1
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable. the other half is close to the cliff like Mrs Huckstable
If Tyrone Hill and Sam Cassell had a staring contest, who would win?
On an unknown date in the year 2012, Mike Brown and Mike Woodson will come together to discuss offensive strategies.
Sessions can’t shoot 3s and can’t play D. What is he the answer to again? I’d rather keep Teague even if he only plays every 5th game.
I'm not the biggest PER guy out there...
but his is 19 right now. I’m pretty sure he’s an upgrade to a guy that isn’t even good enough to get on the floor.
Yeah, because Cleveland is loaded with talent right now
Come one, that’s like saying you’re the best politician. Sessions plays on a crap team with crap players, so of course he’s going to put up some numbers. Teague would easily be starting on that team.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Offer our 1st rd pick
offer a 1st rd pick + Mo and Damien for Sessions and anthony parker. A starting NBA PG has to be worth the 24 later pick in the draft. Parker is a bigger better version of Mo.
I didn't say we needed Mo
but I am asking where Parker plays?
@KrisPTHoops
by Kris Willis on Feb 18, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Parker better than Mo and Damien
Parker is as good a defender as Damien and he can shoot the 3 better than both. One player that eliminates 2 for less money. It also gives the Hawks extra roster spot.
He is less of a small forward than Mo is.
If you get Sessions then you play Bibby and Sessions at the point. We play Joe and Jamal at SG. At times Jamal could play some point and Joe could play some small forward. I will ask again. Where does Anthony Parker fit in the above? If we move Jamal then yeah I could see it but he doesn’t play in the above scenario.
@KrisPTHoops
Parker add versatility and better bench depth
He is a 41% career 3pt shooter and hard nosed defender. The Hawks would have the option of playing Joe at the SF and Marvin at the PF. He would give LD more option when Jamal is having a bad shooting knight or when josh won’t stop shooting jumpers. With his 3pt shot he would fit very well in LD’s system…. I just like his game and he would make our bench better…for a very low price.
I don’t see any reason to go after Sessions if they don’t have guaranteed minutes for him to play. Big minutes at that,
I don't see Sessions coming here without playing big minutes
I think he would likely start. Of course that is just my thinking.
@KrisPTHoops
by Kris Willis on Feb 18, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
As evidenced by what exactly?
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
We should be trying to get Jamison as well.
Just sayin.
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by Duff_Man on Feb 20, 2011 7:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Whew I don't know Duff
He hasn’t looked real good.
@KrisPTHoops
by Kris Willis on Feb 20, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I think he'd be a better option at SF for us.
That said, I am only following him via fantasy, so my knowledge of his game is limited at best.
And then of course I just looked him up and realized he’s my age.
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His contract is terrible
which is why they haven’t traded him already
@KrisPTHoops
by Kris Willis on Feb 20, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
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