2011 NBA Free Agent Scoreboard by SBNation
by Jason Walker on Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM EST
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Follow along throughout the Free Agent season here at Peachtree Hoops, where we'll look at each day of the initial free agent frenzy and track who has signed where (with Color Coding!) as well as provide our own commentary along the way and how it may affect our Atlanta Hawks.
Here is a story stream, courtesy of our own SBNation, that you can also refer to for rumors and such. Enjoy!
In Addition, SBNation has our own Free Agency page, covering free agency/trades/Stern's whims like a blanket.
Also, here is an excellent breakdown of the Top 79 free agents, courtesy of Tom Ziller. Must read!
UPDATED: Awesome, awesome, awesome team by team free agent breakdown as well from Ziller. Stop here first before even thinking about free agents.
Day One 12/9 Headlines:
Shane Battier makes the Heat defense even tougher, even if it doesn't address pesky issues like size up front/rebounding and point guard play for the new over-cap-mid-level-exception price of 3 years, 9 million.
Caron Butler took 3 years and 24 million Clipper dollars when....
....Tayshaun Prince re-signed in Detroit for 4 years and 30 million which sent the Detroit Bad Boys into...well, not ecstasy. At least his Piston teammate, Jonas Jerebko, got 4 years, 16 million in relative DBB obscurity.
The Kings snagged Chuck Hayes for 4 years and 20 million and Sactown Royalty had to reassure that he's no Kenny Thomas.
Greg Oden is quietly going to give it one more year to make good in Portland for the 8.9M qualifying offer.
Mike Dunleavy, even quieter, is going to sneak into Milwaukee for 2 years, 7.5 million.
Shannon Brown left LA and is heading to the Suns for 1 year at 3.5 million and TJ Ford is San Antonio bound as a part of Vet Min Fever.
Speaking of Vet Min Fever, the Hawks got it all started by getting with Tracy McGrady, then Earl Watson, and finally the Twin of Twins, Jason Collins.
UPDATE: Looks like not even the signing of Jamaal Tinsley could keep Earl Watson from going back to Utah.
Finally, Tyson Chandler became the first of the big money free agents to land in another city, heading to the Knicks for a reported 4 year, 58 million dollar deal.
Whew---we will keep updating as much as possible as rumors come in....check in regularly for that latest news, links, and of course, Free Agent Scoreboard updates. Enjoy!
UPDATES:
As teams near the 2pm start time for signings, there is word that the Magic will receive Glen Davis from the Celtics for Brandon Bass in a SNT. 4 years, 26 million, according to Marc Spears (Yahoo!)
Phoenix retains Grant Hill, and conversely, he retains their medicine men, who have kept him upright as a Sun for 1 year, 6.5 million.
Per Chris Broussard (ESPN), Marcus Thornton remains in Sacramento for 5 years, 40 million. Possibly hitting a snag, per Sam Amick.
Sixers close to keeping Thaddeus Young, Kate Fegan reports via Twitter Almighty. 5 years, 43 million with the fifth year being player option.
Noted Hawk Hater Vince Carter has been waived, according to Paul Coro (AZ Republic). The move saves the Suns around 636 million dollars. He has been added to the scoreboard with his 14.8 PER.
Celtics pick up Chrix Wilcox for Vet Min Fever. That's a good min signing.
Pistons bought out Rip Hamilton, meaning he is now a free agent, with Chicago allegedly in pursuit. He can be found in the 15.8 section of our PER column.
UPDATE 12.11: Even if the links don't keep up with the fast paced compressed offseason, the scoreboard keeps updating----check out the Scoreboard for signings like the offer sheet signed and matched for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute by the Bucks, a great low-rent speculation signing of Brandan Wright by the Mavs, the 1 year, 9 million dollar deal by the C's for Jeff Green, and others---also hit those SBNation links at the top for updated Story Streams and more news!
12/12:
Daivd West, a 2 year, 20 million dollar deal to the Pacers? Interesting (and sane) terms to the deal.
Marc Gasol was Houston bound after signing his lucrative offer sheet, but then Memphis took the check instead.
JJ Barea struck Minnesota gold--for 4 years, no less, meaning Minnesota may only draft two point guards next year instead of a half dozen.
The Warriors signed DeAndre Jordan to a 4 year, 42.7 million dollar offer sheet.
12/13:
Overnight, the Mavericks done did it and signed Delonte West to a 1 year deal.
Kwame Brown...a player I thought the Hawks could get in Vet Min Fever, got a 1 year, 7 million dollar deal from the Golden State Warriors. Ye gods.
The other top FA signs...per Marc Stein, Nene back to Denver for 5 years, 67 million.
12/14:
Somehow, I missed first ballot Hawk Hating HOF Vince Carter signing for 3 years with Dallas for the mini-MLE.
12/15:
Richard Hamilton joins the Bulls for 3 years---the last of which is a team option.
Alas, poor Hawks fans, Jamal Crawford is gone to Portland for a 2 year, 10 million dollar deal, the second year of which is Jamal's option.
12/20:
Much to catch up on!
First, on the restricted free agent market, Marco Belinelli and Nick Young signed their one year qualifying offers for 3.3 and 3.7 respectively, meaning both will be UFA next offseason.
Arron Afflalo, however, struck it rich by staying in Denver, scoring a 5 year, 43 million dollar deal, bringing to mind a similar deal done by the Hawks a few offseasons ago when Marvin Williams was a RFA.
Baron Davis clear the amnestization waiver wire and chose to sign the mini-MLE with the Knicks (1 year, 2.5 million. He'll join Steve Novak, the 3-pt specialist who will likely sign the vet min deal for one year.
Finally, Peja Stojakovic decided to retire rather than join Vet Min fever.
PM:
Woj at Y!Sports just tweeted that Kris Humphries signed for 1 year, 7-8 million and will head back to the Nets.
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Greg Oden gets near $9m, that he has done nothing ever in his career, to warrant. Players can force trades to bigger markets.
So, why again was there a lockout?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
And all the bluster about changing the landscape
creating a situation where smaller markets can better compete, ensuring profitability, etc was a load of hot air.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Exactly
Maybe I’m in in the minority, but I’m glad the Paul trade was vetoed. If he’s not traded, he’ll end up with the Lakers anyway, and, unfortunately, the Hornets will get nothing.
That said, the trade last night was an absolute joke. The Lakers gave up aging spare parts for arguably the most dynamic PG in the league.
I’m not as upset about the Howard to Nets rumors, for the Nets are crappy now, even if they are in a big market.
GATA!
I’m with you. A league-owned team trading its best player for spare parts to the Lakers can only be described thus: the fix was in.
The Hornets actually got the best deal they would get anywhere.
Its either trade Paul or lose Paul. Either way Paul is leaving. The job of the Hornets is to get back the best assets possible or be fine with nothing. The Hornets would have gotten Odom, Scola, Dragic, Kevin Martin, and a first round draft pick. Com’ on man! The Hornets would have run away with that. Think about what Cleveland got for Lebron and what Toronto got for Bosh… trade exceptions.
I still think the trade ultimately goes through
with LA taking back Okafor’s salary so Gilbert can’t cry about their savings, and throwing in another draft pick. Then they deal Bynum to Orlando for Dwight.
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That was simply his Qualifying Offer
They had to offer that much to get the right to match if he found a better offer. It’s hard to admit a draft mistake and move on.
I know...
but they owners cry about not being profitable, then turn around and as soon as possible start severely overpaying folks. We’ll be right back where we just were in a a few years.
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I understand the hyprocracy, but
Portland is protecting their options on the outside chance that Oden becomes healthy. By paying him the one year deal they maintain his bird rights, so that if he is healthy they have the advantage is signing him next year. Is it a waste of money? Probably, but within their operating plans for the season.
I hate trying to justify this move. Oden won’t stay healthy with any traditional sports medicine means. Maybe Phoenix can rejuvenate him or maybe someone can think out of the box to figure out how to improve his wheels, but if it was going to happen wouldn’t it have happened by now?
7'0
The one guy that I wanted the Hawks to try to pursue is now a Knick. Would have been nice to see a defensive minded center then you could have moved Al to the 4 and put Josh at the 3. Oh well. That’s what payroll issues get you.
So Watson did sign w/ the Hawks?
Pardon me if i’m a little late on the news, thought the Jazz were going to offer them a long time deal.
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by Anonymous HawksGuy on Dec 9, 2011 8:13 AM EST reply actions
They signed Jamaal Tinsley...
…they may still sign Watson, but we’re going with the latest report. Nobody has signed yet due to the league grinding to a halt after the overreached on the Chris Paul veto.
wait a minture
the Hawks signed T Mac. oh man this would have been awesome like 4 years ago still its nice. Time to buy a Hawks T Mac jersey along with my Rasheed Wallace jersey and my Mario West jersey
Agreed to sign.
Formality when the flood gates are opened.
I feel
for hornets fans, they just git the shaft from the legue. they are trying to improve the team and the league handicaps them. i would be devestated
by HoopsHighlights&Hope on Dec 9, 2011 8:59 AM EST reply actions
Chances the league just contracts them out of existence after the season?
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Does Seattle have a new arena yet?
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 9, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Do you feel
the trade last night improved them?
The players rumored in the deal are solid, but not spectacular. The fact the Lakers only had to give up (rumored) Odom and Gasol is a joke.
GATA!
True.
Does the vetoing on this trade mean his now untradeable?
Was the issue “Paul was traded” or was it “Paul was practically given to the Lakers?” I believe it was the latter, but I could be mistaken.
Hey, Paul, I’m sure no one would mind if you settled down in the A-T-L!
GATA!
How do they trade him now, when the league vetoed one that was actually a decent trade?
What is NO going to get back that was better than this deal? Houston was the loser of the 3 to my mind, and even they didn’t totally get hosed. And we’ve had tons of trades in the NBA that were more questionable than this.
How does the league turn around and trade him anywhere else – especially if some of the other “owners” aren’t going to be happy unless he goes someplace smaller and where he doesn’t want to be, and those teams have no incentive to make a trade for a one-year rental of a sulky star.
The league can’t trade him as long as it owns the Hornets. There’s just too much conflict of interest with the league trying to put him into one of its favored teams rather than making the best deal possible for the New Orleans franchise. The NBA needs to find a buyer for the Hornets asap then step aside and let the new owner make the best trade possible. If that ends up being the Lakers (Celtics, Knicks, etc), then so be it. It just wasn’t credible that the league traded Paul from NO to LA without Bynum going the other way.
I think they had the chance with this deal
But now having vetoed this one they have locked themselves into a corner.
This wasn’t an unreasonable trade. Who’s going to give up much at all for a one-year rental if CP3 won’t agree to an extension with the team? What teams is he willing to give that assurance? The league could have basically acknowledged that. Sure, there would have been grumbling, maybe slightly more than a normal “superstar” trade, but outside of Dan Gilbert how upset were people really? We’re used to this type of deal.
Now, they’ve actually managed to increase the conflict of interest issue – I’m willing to be there isn’t going to be a better trade offer, so the Hornets are totally screwed. Meanwhile, the league can’t now agree to any trade unless something miraculously comes up that is (a) better for the Hornets and (b) doesn’t make a rich team richer, without a total uproar.
Bottom line, a trade that is legal under the new CBA and not ridiculously unbalanced should be approved. The league can’t start adding requirements that trades also maintain or improve competitive balance. If this type of deal would have flown for any teams privately owned, it should fly here, regardless of Hornets ownership.
And Dan Gilbert needs to shut up.
I seriously doubt the Lakers pulled the trigger on this without assurance that Paul would sign an extension.
I'm sure he did.
Apparently we don’t communicate well. My point is that he’s most likely only going to commit to an extension with those top teams, the same ones the small market owners don’t want him to be traded to. Which means there is not a single trade that brings a happy ending on all fronts, and having now vetoed a workable trade, the league is stuck.
I actually thought the deal looked good for NO
Martin, Scola, Odom, Dragic, and a 1st? That’s not a bad return at all. Now they’re gonna have to keep Paul for the year and get nothing in return.
Yes good for NO
Stupid for Houston. Why pick up a tooth pick (Gasol) and give up so much???? Scola is a crafty fordward/center. Martin is a good shooting guard. And Odom. That is a lot for NO. It is a great deal for them.
I am actually not convinced giving up two bigs for a point guard with bad legs, is a good idea. So Essentially, what Lakers were planning on doing, is depend on Bynum who has NEVER been healthy.
Of-course some may say end game may be muscleman, but if they could not get muscleman, they end up with Paul (injured), Bynum (always injured), Kobe (old and regularly injured). Is that such a good deal to give up two really good bigs for?
Hard to get a tall big to build around
Scola is skilled but he is only 6’8. Houston made this move realizing that they were striking out in free agency. It was a lot to give up to get Gasol, but it was also intended to free up cap space for another move.
I think the real reason it was the blocked
Was the fact of the money Lakers would be saving. They have 2 trade exemptions (one for $9M and one for $6M) they could use, and you could assume from the money they save they’ll be going all in for Dwight Howard
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 9, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
The problem with the exceptions is they can't be combined.
They could use the exception to land a PF, but not likely get enough assets to turn into Dwight. I do agree that the trade was overruled over general fear that they would get Howard in the end as well.
I felt it was a reasonable trade
Gasol is a All-Star big at either PF or C and Odom was the reigning 6th man of the year. Once you add in the Houston deal they turned an All-star PG they were going to lose into 3 solid starters and a potential breakout PG and a 1st round pick. The only thing I thought was wrong was I felt the Lakers should have to take Ariza’s contract back in the deal, but that is a minor thing.
Gasol and Odom is roughly the same as if Atlanta had dealt Al Horford and Josh Smith for Chris Paul. You might feel outrage because it is the Lakers, but when you break it down it isn’t outrageous in nature.
Fair enough.
N.O. got a decent haul, but I still question what the Lakers gave up. Odom is replaceable, and I may underrate Gasol (solid, but not a superstar). Paul is a superstar, and generally, whoever ends up with said superstar “wins.”
My caveats: I didn’t realize the Hornets received a pick, too, and I am woefully ignorant about the severity of Paul’s knees.
GATA!
what?
only give up odom and gasol! the 6th man of the yr comming off is best yr ever and 1 of the best power forwards in the league in fact before the bad playoffs last yr alot of people had gasol as the best power forward in the league,they gave up plenty for him,as a laker fan im not sure i even liked the trade!
by the fantasy king on Dec 9, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not to be that guy...
But it’s “Spencer Hawes” not “Spencer Hawks.” Unless this was a subtle way of letting us know who you really want the Hawks to pursue!
GATA!
Awesome!
Excellent catch—hilarious—-I edited, should update in a few minutes—-I’ll check back later to make sure.
by Jason Walker on Dec 9, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone agree with me that the Prince signing is the worst so far?
I don’t get it. He’s a good player but keeping that team together seems foolish. He doesn’t fit well with the other pieces they have on long term deals. He’s 30 years old. To me they are embracing irrelevance for another half a decade. They need draft picks and some bad contracts to expire. To me Prince is the difference between the top of the lottery and the middle of the lottery because he’ll help win a couple games, but not enough to matter.
It is the difference between Lakers and Pistons/Hawks/....
Lakers pull the trigger. They are not afraid. They IMO pulled the trigger for CP3, in a situation that is far from certain to benefit them. But they embrace change and take risks.
Detroit seems stagnant, and only willing to make change when they must, otherwise, they have stayed with that same team for as long as they could.
Not much different than our own ASG and Sund. They like the core. They stay with the core. Even when the core starts rotting, they are afraid to move and change (see Bibby)
Nene to NJ is being reported...
Please do not sign Earl Watson. Develop Sy or a high upside D-Leaguer before you embarass yourselves ala Teague vs Bibby.
Tayshaun is a weird signing. Seems to be no follow up trade. In other news, according to basketballreference, Horford is apparently worth 10 wins. Not the type to take over games but a solid elite role player. Bogut AND LEUER!
JK. But Sekou Smith says what we’ve been saying the core is not going to stay together for much longer. And the minor tweaks are just borrowing time.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
I don't see the problem with the Earl Watson signing
I do think it would be nice to develop a D-Leaguer (just in general, it’s something the Hawks should try more often) but as a guy who will be a primary back-up just until Hinrich gets healthy, there’s nothing wrong with the signing. I honestly don’t think he’s going to be enough of a participant to steal minutes from Teague.
Pape Sy is not a PG. He’s a 2/3. Yes, we should try to find SOME minutes for him. I don’t think he, even at the height of his possible upside, is the kind of player that we would regret not having utilized more.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Can't really complain about vet signings.
Sund needs to try and court all the 7 foot guys on the list.
jeff foster
kwame
ajinca
gray
jason smith
mbenga
przybilla
Craig Smith is a physical guy I would put on the list. PS nice Excel work on the list.
Just find me a back-up for Josh Smith who's better than Joe Smith and Josh Powell
And I’d be happy with what the Hawks are doing. We’ve got, what, 12 players on the roster right now? Just one more signing, though perhaps another signing would be good so we can put Benson in the D-League.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Gani Lawal
is getting released. Interested?
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 9, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think they have a logjam at the 4
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh
Hawks could do better, I think.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Your optimism is showing
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Dec 9, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We must get a center
It is time to dare. It is TIME to move. It is time to get the home town kid back to his hometown. It is time for ASG to change perceptions and in one move, change the landscape of basketball in ATL. In one move, they become the premiere sports franchise in town. In one move, the hardest ticket in town.
The one move to own it all:
Bring Howard home. Trade Marvin and Lion for Howard. And two first round choices. And take over Hedo’s contract.
Howard comes to play with Smoove and JJ. That is a stronger triple than playing with Deron. With Teague and Captain Kirk and Tracy McGrady and Hedu they can compete with anyone.
It is time, let’s do it Sund and ASG.
The one move to own it all
Kieth bogans was pulled from Chicago's practice
he and brewer together makes about 6.4 million (Bogans is on a non-guranteed contract)
could the crawford trade be back on?
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 9, 2011 5:07 PM EST reply actions
A trade involving JC starting at 8million for those two would work
per ESPN trade checker.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 9, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder if that pushed Detroit to waive Hamilton?
did rip give money back to Detroit to beat JC to chicago?
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 9, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand
……why some teams are actively trying to pursue QUALITY players and the Hawks seem to be stagnant. Joe Johnson has a bloated contract, but that can not be the only reason this team is that uninvolved. New York, Miami, and Lakers(for years) keep overly paid players. I just don’t understand.
most of these trades don't seem to be improving teams at all if anything
the hawks are set at the 1,2,3,4,and 5 positions for the regular season and at this point are just rounding out the roster.
i don’t see a move out there that the hawks can make that would make them a better team. and unless the hawks are able to trade rape another team, the inaction really shouldn’t bother you. more than anything chemistry is going to be the most important factor going into this year that’s where the hawks are going to have an advantage in.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 9, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
You do have a point...
i still believe strongly and I have for the last couple of years…..the Hawks need a center! That’s common knowledge. I just hate to see other teams doing as much as they can to bring players in and it seems the Hawks are’nt. I would love to have Kevin Martin, Luis Scolia(sp), even Lamar Kardashian.
problem with getting a center is that it just makes a hole somewhere else.
if the hawks do a reasonable deal then they can expect to give up one of their best players and then you’ll have to deal filling that gap. The NBA cap makes it all but impossible for you to build an All-Star caliber starting 5.
with the exception of the Thunder no team in the NBA has a legit 5. everyone has holes.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Effing Economics
How do they work!?
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
With Brandon Roy retiring...
maybe we can talk them in to accepting a similar style player in Joe? Take the Camby or Odom salary off their hands?
Maybe I need to wake up and quit dreaming.
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Soooo
E. Watson, Tinsley, and Ford are gone. What now?
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
really i like Brad Wannamaker
he led a top flight Pitt College Team. i hope he gets the spot.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 9, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thad Young 5 yrs 42 million to stay in Philly
good deal for them
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 9, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions
Vlad Radmonovic to the Hawks
Finally an actual knock down shooter. Spacing should improve with him on the court
Just saw that! Real positive moves going on!
Now all we need is Reggie Evans or Troy Murphy and we will have a very solid bench! Excited about the possibilities!
Welcome Aboard, Space Cadet!
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 9, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
F*** the Space Cadet. Josh Powell followed by Space Cadet.. People were clamoring for Kwame as well.
Along with Josh Smith Im just Rolling my eyes at this point.
A 31 yo guy with no defense. Its real simple. No money make a trade for a rim protecting center and a shooter.
What happens when you go big? WHere is dillhole Radmaonvic then?
Smith – SF
Horford – PF
Radmonovic ??
YOu cant do this. Sekou was right. The HAwks immolated themselves by not moving Horford for a center and not drafting Jon Leuer or Donatas Motiejunas. When they do move somebody it will be just another screwed up bottomfeeder move.
The upside of this sacrifice would be enough salary cap space to pursue Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Howard in 2012. But without Chandler, why would either Williams or Paul sign in Dallas? As their careers have shown, a great point guard on a team without great front-court defense isn’t doing anything in the playoffs.
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Scout.com: Hollinger’s Draft Board: Leuer at 14 – June 22nd, 2011
[John Hollinger] John Hollinger: I feel like the Hawks signed Radmanovic solely to keep me entertained. I just hope they encourage him to handle the ball in transition. – October 9th, 2011
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 10, 2011 12:20 AM EST reply actions
Vlad Rad basically takes Pape Sy's spot from last year
Practice player plain and simple and he can spot up for a 3 every two weeks.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 10, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Been at work all day so sorry that imn surprised with Glen Davis
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
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"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
So we sign Radmanavoic but we still need a seven footer
He is a good three point shooter. He can do the job of coming in and taking a few jumpers.
But that is not answering the glaring need for a seven footer.
This team need a tenacious rebounding big man. A fighter. Does not care about scoring. Defends and blocks. A dirty big man.
Sund needs to start talking to Dalembert. I dont care if we have to go into luxury tax, without a big man, this team has same problems as last year, minus scoring power of Jamal. Surely Sund and ASG see that need.
Need a strong C, if possible (Pryzbilla?) and a backup PG to cover until Hinrich's healthy
Teague/Hinrich/???
Joe/McGrady/Sy
Marvin/Radmanovich (Smith)
Smith/Zaza
Horford/Twin
So backup PG (Ronnie Price, Antonio Daniels, Mustafa Shakur, Marcus Banks, Chris Quinn, Carlos Arroyo, Anthony Carter, Acie Law, Delonte West, Earl Boykin) a quality C (Dalembert, Kwame, Pryzbilla, Ajinca, Troy Murphy, Kurt Thomas), not a good roster but not bad either. Not sure of the math, but you’d hope we’d have salary room for a strong, starting caliber player to join and round out the roster, maybe using the mid level exemption.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Intrigue
Maybe after getting a defensive and rebounding minded C that should start (still mad the Hawks didn’t go after Chandler even when Chicago was giving him away for CHEAP a few years back), maybe they can look at getting what some consider a “goon” and just a dunker for real cheap. Playing the goon would be a player like a Sean Williams who once played for the Nets. And just a dunker could be a player like James White. These can be your 14th and 15th guys.
Given financial situation
they may not go past 13 players
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Dec 10, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, they can sign some d-leaguers
The rookie minimum is chump change.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I hope they do, just so
Sy, Benson, etc can get some D League run.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
True
Hawks just need a STRONG 8 man rotation. Right now it’s 5 made up of 8/9 players with only Joe, Josh, and Al as their standouts followed by Jeff and Kirk
What about Kyorlo(Sp?) Fesenko?
7’1 280 lbs I’ve always liked him. He’s very mobile as well. He could start for us immeadeately. Teague, Joe, Josh, Al, Fesenko. I like it. He started for Utah in the playoffs two seasons ago when Okur went down with the Achilles injury.
Then you bring in Zaza, Collins, Benson etc. off the bench. The center spot should be used for brawlers/rebounders and shot blockers IMO. And you can Always go small with Horf. at center if you need to take advantage of matchups.
And then the bench looks solid: Kirk/Pape, T-mac, Marvin, VladRad, and Zaza
Tha’ts the most quality depth that we’ve had in a very long tine.
Unintended consequencies
With the Paul to the Lakers deal falling apart, it actually looks like the Lakers could offer the Magic the best deal for Howard using the Houston 3-way.
Gasol to Houston
2012 Dallas 1st and Bynum to Orlando
Scola. Martin, Dragic and 2012 NY 1st to Orlando
Howard, Anderson, Turkoglo, and Duhon to Los Angeles (could be changed to Nelson if they want greater salary relief)
Brook Lopez and 2 1sts with filler, or Bynum, Scola, Martin, Dragic and 2 1sts? That’s an easy choice in my eyes.
If Howard isn't coming to Atlanta
Lets ship him to the Western Conference
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Dec 11, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
A very valid point
I was more poking fun at Dan Gilbert for his complaints about the Paul trade that I didn’t see working well with a bigger acquisition of Howard that could work better for LA long term.
The part I wouldn’t like about it is that such a trade would leave Orlando as a viable competitor rather than a rebuilding squad. Brooklyn will attract players one way or another, but I guess it is better getting Howard out west and having Brooklyn take longer to load up.
If Dwight goes to the Lakers
Do we shop Jason Collins to the highest bidder out West at the trade deadline?
nope
that would be saying Jason Collins only value is to guard Dwight, which isn’t true
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Well it is
Which is why nobody is going to give up anything for him. He’s a vet min player, so centering a trade around him would be…idiotic.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Just talking about a pick
If you can turn him into a late first round pick from someone out west needing a Dwight stopper, not a bad return.
T-Mac
how does the jump shot look?http://www.nba.com/hawks/video/2011/12/10/TMacTrainingCamp120911wmv-1930707
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
even though the gut doesn't look promising
he could be breathing out
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
for some reason he reminds me of george gervin on the the Jordan Bulls team
just an old guy that knows that he can run you out the gym if he back doesn’t start to act up.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 11, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Since Josh Smith don't wanna be here.
Call up my Wizards and take anybody not named Wall…and maybe McGee.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Hawks are working on 3 team sign and trade with Jamal Crawford and Toney Douglas involved
Better than 50-50 % chance of it happening, supposedly
by BravesFanScout on Dec 11, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Please, please, please
let the Crawford for Douglas swap go thru
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 11, 2011 12:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Really, I read it was Toney Douglas, Bill Walker, and Renaldo Balkman?
Must’ve updated.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 11, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
David Stern says no, bitch.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Haha
Stern has a strong pimp hand
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Dec 11, 2011 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's scary that we're at the point, now, where it seems like he has to personally approve every deal
If there’s too much star talent going to a big market, he’s just going to tell GMs that they’re not acting in the best interest of the league, regardless of whether it benefits the smaller markets or not.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
"For basketball reasons"
needs to become the new internet meme
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 11, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the three team trade that's proposed is true
The three teams that are listed are Golden State Warriors, Atlanta Hawks, and New York Knicks. I would have to believe that we would be getting Andris Bierdens. I know that we we’re interested in him a couple of seasons ago. Contractually, I don’t know if it works though. It is $9M on the books for each season until he’s a free agent in 2014
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 11, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it makes sense
Hawks aren’t going to go that far over the cap, the Knicks can’t offer much more than $5.6 million for Crawford given the players they’re talking about parting with, and it’s hard to see it working out with Biedrins involved.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Maybe if we include Marvin Williams?
That’s the only way I’d see it happen
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 11, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
If he's traded, nobody can amnesty him
So I don’t know.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Well, if they do sign DeAndre Jordan to the offer sheet
I can see it more likely than not.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 11, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
the hawks were trying to trade marvin to the warriors the past couple years. maybe they finally said yes.
i agree with bronn though, i can’t see crawford taking a 5 million dollar deal. (that’s the only way it would work on ESPN trade checker.
ATL receives- Biedris/Douglas
NY receives- Crawford (starting salary 5.6 million)
GS recieves- M.Williams/ R. Balkman/ B.Walker (maybe a 2nd rounder and cash as well.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 11, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
His FT shooting is atrocious
but the Hawks desperately need a big. I’ll take it
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 11, 2011 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not as sure of this "desperate need for a bit" as some others are.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Jason Collins is ok for what he does
If you can get someone better though…but in the words of someone I don’t know, “We ain’t got no money”
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Dec 11, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Zaza is a pretty decent back up center, too.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
The Hawks remind me of Cheap Pete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbpLk240OAs
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Dec 11, 2011 1:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Did it JUST get removed?
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 11, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
ASG did it
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Dec 11, 2011 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude so honestly im all for dwight going to the Lakers
I mean if we dont get him then do we want him in our conference?
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Agreed......get Howard out the East
If Howard is coming to ATL, get him out the East. That should take ORL out the equation. East is tough enough w/MIA, CHI, BOS (for another year or so), and NY.
Anyone else not too worried about the Knicks. Chandler and Amar’e are injury prone, they do not have a deep team, and Chandler historically needs a good PG to maximize his effectiveness, and PG is the Knicks biggest hole.
I feel like the Wizards are going to be the up and comers of the East this year.
They got Bibby as their pg and interested in crawford
so can you imagine a lineup of bibby, crawford, melo, and amare? they will give up 120 points a game
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Instead of spending $ on Bibby and Crawford......
I don’t see why the Knicks don’t just go after Baron Davis. He’d keep his head in the game if he’s on a team w/Melo, Amar’e, and Chandler.
Bibby is washed up, and Crawford needs to score too much to mesh with ‘Melo and Amar’e (in my opinion).
That's if Baron Davis doesn't eat his way into retirement
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Pacers starting to look tough and interesting
To the core of Darren Collison (PG), Danny Granger (SF), and Roy Hibbert © they’ve added OJ Mayo and David West to round out the starting lineup with George Hill, Dahntay Jones, Paul George, Tyler Hansbrough, and Jeff Foster off the bench as well as AJ Price if healthy. Already a deep team, add a couple of bigs who can eat some minutes in this condensed season and they could do some damage.
Not so fast
Supposedly the OJ Mayo trade is held up while Indiana waits on a decision from Jamal Crawford. I’m not sure why Jamal > OJ Mayo. Based on age and defense I’d think that OJ would have the edge. Create his own shot specialist would go to Jamal. Guess they feel they need that more than all-around play.
That's bogus Trade Machine data
It filled in his old contract. He signed for veteran minimum. There are other examples in their system. They have Jason Richardson at 14.4M and I think he signed for about half of that.
How will we fair when we have back-to-back-to-backs?
younger teams look like they a better chance at staying healthy this year.
by HoopsHighlights&Hope on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM EST reply actions
With JJ Barea going to the T'Wolves
and already having Rubio and Ridnour, if the Wolves waive Ridnour is there a chance of the Hawks picking him up?
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
They may try to trade Ridnour
All these personnel moves make me reluctant to draft my NBA fantasy team yet.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I mean Rubio, not Ridnour.
They might see what they can get for him
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
they still got floyd?
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Do you mean Flynn?
If so, no. He’s on the Rockets roster now.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
lol yeah thats who i meant
I knew it was fl something
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
KKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!
The team has 7 Guards… 7…
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
A possible explanation to the Chris Paul trade saga
If the Clippers give in the NBAs demands they do the deal because they get all they wanted, but I think the real goal is to make an example out of Paul to show the small market owners how the new CBA protects them. Here’s my logic from my understanding on the new CBA:
Under the new CBA S&T deals are limited to the length and raise amount of non-bird rights free agents (4 years with only 4% raises). Additionally after a trade it takes 6 months for a players Bird rights to vest with the new team. Therefore a player must wait for 6 months after a deal before his new team can offer him a 5th year and 7.5% raises. This means that if New Orleans fails to find a suitable deal for Chris Paul, then he can sign with a team with cap room for 4 years/74M or with New Orleans for 5 years/100M. If he wants to go to a team without cap room then they must work out a sign and trade giving the Hornets something back and Chris Paul could still only get 4 years/74M. A young specimen like Dwight Howard might not see that 5th year as a concern, but Chris Paul’s knee issues probably would prefer to get his years guaranteed just in case. If Paul wants to walk he’ll have to pass up 26M in guaranteed salary.
That’s how I read the new CBA. It means the public battles to get out of a city will occur with a year left on a contract. But if a team doesn’t give in to player demands, the player will have to make a tangible sacrifice to dictate his destination and even then it may not be possible. Looking at Chris Paul, the Lakers and Knicks won’t have cap room to sign him outright next summer. It’ll take a desirable landing spot with cap room to lessen the Hornets bargaining strength with Paul next summer and he’ll still be out that extra guaranteed year.
Just the way I read things, please correct me if got any of the CBA details wrong. By the way we still would have had to overpay Joe Johnson to keep him under this system. It is designed to help retain players that are worth more than the max salary to a team.
My take on the Chris Paul saga is this
They are trying to sell that team and it is worth much more to a potential buyer with CP3 than without.
@Kris_Willis
Yes, but
If he could walk for little financial difference like under the old rules (Bosh and Lebron didn’t give up much to play together because of the S&T rules) then they won’t get the offers they want for the team. Stern needs to demonstrate what the new system does for such franchises to get the best price for New Orleans.
I just think it is about more than just the Hornets. For Stern, it is about getting that third of the owners back on his side by showing they plugged the hole in the system.
Was there a bidding war for Kwame Brown that I didn't hear about?
7M for a year? Shouldn’t that be about 5 times as much as the next best offer for him?
I nod to this. It more than surprised me.
Folks are trying to say it’s not as bad as it looks, buuuuuut….no.
by Jason Walker on Dec 13, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
They locked, crying poverty...
and then this? And it’s the greedy players fault they lose money?
As said before, “a fool and their money are soon parted.”
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
New CBA or no
As long as owners and GMs give out contracts like to this very marginal players, there will be complaints. The problem is things like this, not LeBron James making $16 million or Kobe Bryant making $21 million.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
why is this difficult to understand?
It is a seven footer.
Marginal seven footers are difficult to find. Even a Kwame Brown.
Look at last year’s championship, who won? Dallas. Why? Not because of Dirk. It is because of Chandler. While Miami has the best player in the league, they can’t win.
Look at year before, who won? Lakers. Why? The twin towers.
Look whether you believe it or not, Hawks are undersized. Seven footers are precious commodities. They will get value. Whether Chandler, Kwame, DeAndre jordan.
You can keep saying Lion is a center, but clearly, the world believes differently. It is 2011 not 1955. Get on the bandwagon dude :)
There's quite a bit of difference between Tyson Chandler and Kwame Brown
Paying a guy $7 million to say you have a 7 footer on your roster isn’t a good idea. There’s a ton of college teams that have a seven footer sitting on their bench, and it doesn’t mean a lot for them, either. Having a seven footer and having a GOOD seven footer are two entirely different concepts.
Don’t overemphasize just how important they were, either. Chandler was huge for Dallas last year, yes. He was their second best player. But their best player was definitely Dirk, who has an awesome offensive skillset and is almost impossible to completely shut down. His length makes him very difficult to slow when you know can pull up from anywhere from 27 to 15 feet from the basket to shoot it, and he’s not afraid to get inside for 3-4 looks a game either. Also, Jason Terry was on fire shooting the ball pretty much throughout the playoffs. 44.2% from three. And yes, Chandler’s defense and rebounding. And Jason Kidd’s defense, too.
As for the Lakers, yes, good to have two seven footers. Also great to have a big man as skilled as Pau Gasol. Good ball handler, efficient scorer, solid (not great) rebounder, and really, better on defense than he gets credit for. Not great, but solid.
So I don’t feel like your repeated insistence that the Hawks get a marginal big man are suddenly justified just because someone gave Kwame Brown more money than he deserves.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
It is about Defense, that is my point
Hawks defense lacks cohesiveness. Lacks the central resistance of a big man.
Look, Lion does not defend the basket. Smoove is our best defender. We need the presence of a big man.
You miss my point about Chandler vs. Dirk. No one would argue Dirk is the best player Mavs have, and one of the greatest in the game today. Just like I don’t say Lion is not ten times the player Kwame is. The point is you have to have a defensive presence in order to take the next step. Whether Kwame, or DeAndre JOrdan, they add value by being able to deflect shots, not be pushed around, and be tremendously athletic in case of DeAndre and semi-athletic in case of Kwame.
For Hawks to take the next step, a semi-athletic center is needed for defensive presence and rebounding.
Ha, Kwame not being pushed around!
Now, that’s comical!
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 14, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
That's it...
let’s sign Jim McIlvaine, Shawn Bradley, Joel Pryzbilla, Jerome James, and Mark Eaton, then trade Teague, Horf, and Josh for Rasho Nesterovic, Roy Hibbert, and Robert Swift. We’ll never lose! After all, they’re 7’ or more?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 13, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we can sign Jon Contract back to the Hawks for a max contract to provide interior defense
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
How about keeping who we have and adding a center?
Is that too much to ask? Why is it that it has to be either/or?
I pass on some of those that you mention, I’ll take others, Big Eaton and Hibbert namely.
See the mention of Koncak above re: Kwame
just cause you’re 7’ doesn’t make you worth big money. Kwame isn’t worth that, and his height has nothing to do with it. I’d have liked to add him, at $2m or less not $7m. Same goes for Pryzbilla, among other 7’+ players available.
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I will say this and hope Pointguardslim doesn't see it
If Kwame Brown is worth $7 million then what should Thabeet get?
@Kris_Willis
I say this about our friend Pointguardslim
At least he is willing to roll the dice.
I personally think Thabeet has poven ZERO. He is as big a bust as that Monster QB at LSU Demarcus Russell was coming out of college as the next incarnation of Donovan McNabb and Vick combined. Instead he turned out to be a zero.
Signing Thabeet, to minimum, and giving him a try, may not be a bad thing. See note below about rolling the dice
I SAW IT!
The dice roll was Motiejunas.
Smith – inside
Motiejunas/Leuer – outside
Bogut/Thabeet – inside
The answer is Leuer or Motiejunas + center. If Leuer and Bogut cannot be had for Horford + pick, well we screwed up.
Larry Drew and I agree Josh Smith stays inside and you add a big true perimeter shooter.
Then add a defensive center.
defensive power SF/ perimeter PF/defensive C
Horford is none of these! It makes no sense! outside of A) sentimental attachment B) Horfords value is shot.
Im sorry I believe A before B.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 15, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
You're right about it making no sense
I literally have no idea what you’re saying.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Theyre ignoring Motiejunas
Drew said [Vladimir Radmanovich] is the kind of knock-down shooter he was hoping to get. He said he noticed during extensive Synergy study that Radmanovich has a knack for quickly getting to open spots. Drew said Golden State coaches also gave Radmanovich positive reviews.
"He’s a four that can really stretch the defense," Drew said. "I did a lot of homework on him. With Joe’s ability to force double teams, having that four that can go out there and stretch it, it gives you an added weapon. Tracy is a really good passer and you put him with the ball in position where he can operate, teams have to collapse their defenses on him [too]. With Radmanovic, he’s a guy that lives at the 3-point line."
Trade Horford.
Josh Smith is an inside player. Al Horford. Thabeet is an inside player.
You trade in Jamal Crawford or Marvin Williams for a perimeter player. You dont add Thabeet and move Smith to the perimeter. You get bigger on defense but suck on offense. That’s asinine.
Smith + Perimeter PF + center. Its 3 perimeters 2 inside, Not 3 inside 2 outside.
Hence 21yo 7’1 Motiejunas mismatch and perimeter abilities. Hence 22yo 7’0" Leuer’s mismatch potential, longer and might even be better than Motiejunas.
In a draft where the 40th pick could be as good as the 20th and the 20th as good as 8th, and Jeremy Tyler was 39th mind you, we traded away picks.
But, oh, we’re cash strapped and trade away picks. Hence 31yo declining Lakers Reject – Vlad Rad, the 6’10 space Cadet.
No Jon Leuer, no Donatas Motiejunas, lol add Thabeet and move Josh to the perimeter. That will make us contenders…. Right. smh
Thabeet for President.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 16, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
You write as if your'e responding to tweets that I'm not hearing
It seems you’re advocating trading for Hasheem Thabeet, and then talking about how stupid that move is. I really don’t get it.
I wouldn’t trade Al Horford for 10 Hasheem Thabeets.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
He advocates an unknown Euro
or a 2nd round pick in one of the worst drafts in NBA history as who should trade a proven All Star for.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
and Bogut is chopped liver..
one of the worst drafts in NBA history?
Drew said Vladimir Radmanovich is the kind of knock-down shooter he was hoping to get. He said he noticed during extensive Synergy study that Radmanovich has a knack for quickly getting to open spots. Drew said Golden State coaches also gave Radmanovich positive reviews.
"He’s a four that can really stretch the defense," Drew said. "I did a lot of homework on him. With Joe’s ability to force double teams, having that four that can go out there and stretch it, it gives you an added weapon. Tracy is a really good passer and you put him with the ball in position where he can operate, teams have to collapse their defenses on him [too]. With Radmanovic, he’s a guy that lives at the 3-point line."
Smith plus
Vlad, Horford or Leuer, Bogut.
I’ve heard Bogut, Bynum, Howard trade proposals.
Why not Horford, Bynum, Howard? 6’10 Horford apparently is not worth 1-armed-Bogut no All Star coaches reserve selections? And neither is Smith.
Yet you decline to mention any of that. But our roster is just the bees knees isn’t it.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 16, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Leuer for President 2012
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 15, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
What is reasonable is driven by market dynamics
Not what I think or you think.
His track record has shown picking him number 1, was a much bigger mistake, than picking Marvin at 2.
Still, we have to make an attempt and get someone. It is a roll of the dice, sure, but if this generation of Hawks is going to have a chance to go to ECF, we must get bigger/taller and become better rebounding team. I have seen Chicago, and trust me, no matter what Teague does, no matter how much better Marvin plays (I have zero trust in Marvin), we won’t get past Chicago. And Heat has more athletic players than us.
No matter how much we improve at 2 and 3 and 4, the game centers on centers.
As for Kocak, the name brings memories of past I rather not revisit, but I say this about Mr Turner, he was willing to roll the dice.
As I have said, the day we traded tree and Wittman, is the day we lost identity. But Mr Turner rolled the dice.
In life you have to roll the dice. Play it safe and you get to first round or at most second round. At some point, you have to go try, at least try, to get a center, as opposed to just pay lip service about we would be willing to go into luxury tax when the right player comes along.
You know what is even more puzzling to me, is that there are fans that parrot the same thing ASG says. Such as, "this ownership group has said they won’t go into luxury tax, so don’t being up talk of acquiring a center". Why?? Why not put pressure on ASG? Why should we be sheep?
I want to ask Rick “sleep at the wheel Sund” who is the right player? Will he even admit there is one? Is Nene the right player? Is Tyson Chandle? Is Kwame? Who…………….Silence is deafening
If the market says Kwame is worth $7m, then the market is flawed
he can’t shoot FTs, isn’t a scorer, isn’t much of a shot blocker, he’s a decent rebounder. Other than that, he’s big. If Kwame is worth $7m, then Horford’s worth $20+, and Pryzbilla worth over $10m.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
This
And the market IS flawed, which is why people complain about marginal players making more than they’re worth. Yes, yes, “Everything is worth what it’s purchaser will pay for it,” but the NBA is a very limited marketplace, so market dynamics don’t always correct themselves. The owners and GMs make enough bad decisions that they could essentially sink the league if they continue making some of the crappy decisions we’ve seen in the past.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Which is why I was very anti-owner in the lockout when they started talking about guaranteed profitability
so even incompetent idiots that give Kwame $7m, or Jerome James and Eddy Curry $100m in the same offense, should be profitable? No thanks.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
The system is flawed, but
I didn’t hear any chatter about someone paying Kwame Brown the MLE let alone 7M, so I wonder who the Warriors were bidding against. That seems to be an unforced error.
And at the end...
Nene, Tyson Chandler, and Kwame.
What you should be hearing after mentioning those three names is this.
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by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Kwame Brown isn't anywhere near Tyson Chandler
Doesn’t even belong in the same conversation. Why pay that much money for a guy that might not even be in the rotation by the end of the season?
Fact is two of worst contracts signed this offseason have been by centers
@Kris_Willis
"Fact is two of worst contracts signed this offseason have been by centers"
but then, that fact can be said about most every off season could it not Kris? Some of the worst contracts; Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Jon Koncak, Jim McIlvaine, Dan Gadzuric, Erick Dampier, Vin Baker, Bryant Reeves; have been Cs. People have always overpaid and/or overdrafted height.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Jamal Crawford mulling over offers from Portland, Sacramento, and New York
Will pick a team by Wednesday.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 13, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions
Maybe
They do seem to stockpile on 2 guards. With no Brandon Roy and no Rudy Fernandez, it might make sense.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
as much as i would love to see a
bibby crawford melo, amare lineup (no defense team) im pulling for anyplace out west
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Amazingly
There’s some leaguewide restrain shown as Nene avoids getting a max deal.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Hawks should just resign Jamal if he only wants one year
Our bench would be unreal!
Kirk, Jamal, Tracy, Zaza, Collins, Stackhouse, Radmanovic
That would be a pretty tough bench.
by BravesFanScout on Dec 14, 2011 12:48 AM EST reply actions
The length of the deal doesn't matter
Unless Jamal wants to play for the vet minimum the Hawks can’t afford him
@Kris_Willis
So, a question
Is Jerry Stackhouse actually signed for the season? Or is he just on the training camp roster? Or is this one of those things where we sign him to a few ten day contracts until Hinrich is back, or what?
Anyone know the answer to this? Vet min for a guy who’s played 18 seasons has to be quite a lot, where the minimum for signing a guy like Donald Sloan is less than 500k. I’d like to think the Hawks can spend their resources a bit better.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
League rules handle that (at least under previous cba)
The team is only responsible for the minimum portion (2nd year minimum) of the contract. The league has a fund set aside to cover the difference due to years of service. It was meant as way for teams not to get penalized for employed veterans instead of the cheapest option at the end of the bench.
Rookie 2nd round deals are still lower, but for cap and cash purposes all other minimums are created equal.
This free agency period has taught me not to trust ESPN
The TV network, not just the site. They reported several things on TV as completed deals and then I search the internet and find they haven’t happened. I’m not talking big stuff like the Paul saga but little signings and trades like the Mayo deal or a Lakers free agency move. I guess in their quest to stay up with tweets in timeless they stopped verifying what they say on air.
Hawks...please get Arenas..if anything our bench will look like an old All-Star line up
Hinrich, Arenas, Stack, T-Mac….pretty good bench help…throw in Vlad The Impaler and now teams are getting nervous about the Hawks…
I'd rather not have him anywhere near this team
Frankly, I’d be too nervous knowing there’s a guy with a history of pointing guns at his own teammates in our locker room. And then I’d have to deal with his crappy play on the floor, where he chucks and doesn’t convert enough shots, and isn’t good enough on defense to make up for it.
So, no thanks.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
he pointed a gun at a guy who is now accused of murder
I think I believe Arenas in what he said about that incident…the young fella was talking real big and tough and his little joke went to far….since then and before then you never heard any issues about Arenas other than he was over paid. Now he won’t be….I say take the chance at a vet min and see what happens…if he is in shape..remember this is the same guy who dropped 60 on the Lakers a few years ago
Regardless of the circumstances in that incident
I still don’t want him. He hasn’t even been remotely useful in 5 years. He was absolutely terrible on the offensive end last year. I wouldn’t touch him with a pole. At least in McGrady and Ramanovic, we have guys that did something somewhat valuable last season.
Not to mention, Larry Drew would play a guy like Gilbert Arenas much more than he should, and it would result in fewer minutes for Teague than are reasonable. And for Hinrich, when he gets back.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Well said
I could see Arenas being used in the same role as Jamal was last year – a back-up 1 guard who doesn’t quite have the distribution skills, defense or mentality to quuite pull off the role.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
I meant whilst Hinrich is out.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Umm...did you really just try to defend Arenas?
What a stretch.
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Regardless of the gun incident (which you hope he learned from)
He showed so little in the playoff series last year that you question what’s he’s able to do anymore. He had one good game where he was the only Magic player who could make a shot and the team lost that one. Other than that game we got the best of the matchup anytime he was on the floor (imo from memory).
If the Hawks brought him in I’d feel like it was an attempt to load the roster with recognizable has-beens to sell tickets to non-fans who don’t follow the game. I’m not sure Agent Zero would quietly fill in behind Jeff Teague as he’d want to use this rental period to showcase that he deserves another deal elsewhere. I’m not sure Larry Drew is the man who can keep Gilbert in check as a coach.
I'd think of him as more of a SG
he can still hit the outside shot, and we lack makers from the perimeter.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
There's better out there than Arenas
He was always a bulk shooter, less than a pure shooter.
Seriously, Kirk Hinrich is a much better shooter than many of the names which have been mentioned.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
lot of teams writing him off
I know he didn’t do anything last year. BUT….he was still trying to get over that incident and image issues, new team, he didn’t really fit in. But the upside is he is over his injury, body is not worn out, and he can play PG and SG, and he is a better shooter than Jamal….strictly comes off the bench but I think he can make a difference…some team is going to grab him
you cant be serious
Mo Evans also?
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
I'd forgotten that Mo Evans was actually on the team last year
Utterly forgettable. He was pretty bad while he was here last season, not at all missed when he was gone.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I noticed that his replacment for minutes Kirk and teague
can make wide open layups while on a fast break
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
any chance
For a Crawford/Kaman sign and trade? It would put us into the tax for this one year, but man, how bout that lineup
PG-Teague
SG-Johnson
SF-Smith
PF-Horford
C-Horford
Bench-Hinrich, Williams, McGrady,Sy, Radmonovic, Pachulia, Collins.
Sounds good no?
by birdwatch on Dec 15, 2011 1:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd love to have those two Horfords in the line-up
We’d be a great deal if we could pull that off.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
we would be a great deal!
lol
But we’d still be soft down low…. (sad face, sobbing)
by birdwatch on Dec 15, 2011 1:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If we had two Al Horfords
I’d take that over what at least 28 other teams would use as their frontcourt.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Yes
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
When he clears waivers, I sure will..thank you!
by Jason Walker on Dec 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Can't you bid to eat some of the salary and get them off waivers?
Why not bid the minimum, and get a cheap player?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
If you are below the cap, you certainly could
That’s how the Clippers bid 2M for Billups.
by Jason Walker on Dec 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, and while we aren't luxury, I assume we aren't "below the cap" either.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Correct.
We are on the lux tax borderline, sitting around 69M…Luxury Tax ~70M.
by Jason Walker on Dec 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dumb question...
But will this be the Hawks fate for the foreseeable future? Horford, Johnson, Smith, and rotating bottom-of-the-barrel players each season due to our proximity to the tax threshold? Why wasn’t relief given to teams that signed players prior to the new CBA?
GATA!
It's what next offseason will look like, at least
With only Hinrich coming off the books, and with the ownership group still in place for the foreseeable future, the 2012-2013 offseason promises to look very similar to this one: the same core, the same sort of vet minimum deals to fill out the roster.
One thing that could free up additional cap space would be if the Hawks amnestied Marvin after this season. Is that allowed? I never learned the details of the final amnesty language. The other thing they could do would be to trade Josh Smith. I think that’s more likely than the former, honestly, because the Hawks don’t seem like an organization inclined to pay a player to play somewhere else.
Or they could have just let Joe walk
take the short term hit, and rework things towards the future.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I don't think the ASG would amnesty any player
based on their track records. They’re business men, not basketball fans. They won’t want to pay out Marvin’s contract solely to be able to free up some cap space, that’s extra money they have to shell out.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Well a few thoughts (WARNING: depressing)
On the CBA: Rolling back salaries was discussed and the union wouldn’t accept it. I don’t blame them. You were signed for a certain amount and you want that money. It makes sense. Also currently signed contracts wasn’t really that high on the League’s agenda because those contracts expire. If you fix the system to prevent that from happening again. It would self-correct after a certain number of years. The thing is to save Xmas they didn’t fix the system. They helped themselves a lot financially, but didn’t fix the system. I’m not sure the dramatic changes to truly fix the economics were ever presented because of the drastic changes they involved. The “fix” the new cba implements is to make luxury tax exceeding extremely painful after a 2 year transition period. The thought is that will force team’s to spend wisely. We’ll see.
As for the Hawks, they’re the ones who overpaid Joe Johnson to stay. If they had been coldly rational about it they wouldn’t have paid him that much and he likely would have left. That’s the problem with the system is that even if you’re rational all it takes is one team acting without restraint to skew salaries.
The Hawks have 2 key overpaid players under the new CBA that will kill flexibility for 3 years. Joe Johnson is receiving the max. He may or may not be the best player on the team, but the max salary only makes sense if you are a marketing draw as well. You can’t pay that much just to be a good player. You have to be face of a franchise and put butts in seats. Even if players understand this, they don’t accept it. Players want to be paid as much as they can receive, not what they are actually worth. That’s the system. The max salary artificial holds the true stars of the league under what they are worth and distributes that money to other players in the union. It also gives a number for the better players on a team to demand regardless of whether they move the needle in the marketing value area. Unfortunately we don’t have a marketable superstar. That was screwed up when Marvin Williams was drafted.
That brings me to problem #2: Marvin Williams. His 8M per year is out of whack with the role he provides. I’ve read about his unselfish, glue like performance. I don’t buy it. For 8M a year you have to make a bigger impact for a team to be successful. He should embrace the 6th man role because 5th option among starters really should cost more than 3M per year on a team with a balanced budget.
Additionally Kirk Hinrich’s 8M is overpaid but expiring. Zaza’s contract for a big is actually not out of whack, but the inconsistent minutes he’s given by Drew makes it seem so. Further complicating the Atlanta payroll is that the team has sucked at utilizing the 2nd round (and a lot of the 1st round as well) to fill rotation roles inexpensively.
Now the sad truth. After next season a hard choice or two is going to be required. Joe’s contract will continue to grow. Marvin won’t be off the books yet. Josh Smith and Jeff Teague will require resigning decisions. If Teague can perform like he did against Chicago full time then he won’t be cheap. If Josh becomes the true star of the team, he might actually be worth the contract Joe has. And even he doesn’t someone may outbid the Hawks to get him. Even if they save the amnesty clause they might not have the finances to utilize it to help the roster. Also, after the 2 year transition period the cap may be smaller and the penalties could be a lot higher.
So yes the cheap tweak of veteran minimums is likely the story for the first 2 years. Then we might have a year of profound sadness as tough decisions are made. Then we’ll likely have a year or two of decline until full rebuilding. That’s the anticipation unless ownership becomes bold or thinks outside of the box to fix things. I’m holding out hope that surgically-repaired Marvin becomes worth his salary and that Joe has a big bounce back year, both for the benefit it will give Atlanta in the standings but to possibly create some trade value. Then the team might have some options. If Jeff and Josh continue to improve on their post-season performance the team might actually compete well enough that luxury tax because tolerable for a couple years to get us over the yoke of Joe’s contract. I can dream at least.
by Evil Dallas on Dec 16, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, didn't realize I went so long
I just keep typing and typing. Mods, Feel free to delete it as off thread topic. I don’t mind.
by Evil Dallas on Dec 16, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, but I do get long winded and
Wow, I made a lot of word typos in that long rant. Hopefully, you can substitute the occasional becomes for “because” or realize when I meant to use negative wording (shouldn’t cost more than 3M for 5th option in starting lineup).
I really believe Joe will be better than last year, but never truly earn the contract. He has to perform in the playoff consistently well for one thing. Beyond that his personality isn’t changing to make him a media/marketing darling nor is his style of play going to sizzle more to make him more of a draw.
My dream scenario
is Joe has a solid season being he’s a workout man that should be well prepared for the short race. Then he has a solid two rounds in the playoffs, with big games in round 1. We’re sold to a billionaire, who takes a trade of Joe to somewhere maybe for an expiring deal, maybe for a lottery pick to a team with tons of cap space not willing to wait.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Remember there are other options
The new CBA has built in clauses for restructuring contracts, smaller payments over longer term.
It would require conviction, creativity, and persuasion on the part of management to convince JJ of that to help the team for its needs, if the team is unwilling to go into luxury tax territory.
All qualities that Sund lacks. We need a new GM to think outside the box.
Yeah, that JJ contract having over our heads is rough
JJ isn’t going to get better, but he’s going to continue to get more expensive, and if the cap doesn’t increase, we’re going to be in an even tighter spot than we were. The owners wer ejust interested in the team looking good so that they could sell it, and having to pay him $23 million in 2014-2015 and almost $25 million the year after that…wow that’s a lot. If JJ is going to get amnestied, it’s going to be in that last year or not at all. No one is going to pay him closer him close to $50 million to not play.
We’re not getting any kind of relief any time soon. Three or four years from now, when JJ is declining, this team is going to be pretty unwatchable since we won’t be able to sign quality players to fill in around him.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I still don't buy that the Hawks are not for sale.
For whatever reason, I still see ASG selling the team but have taken a private approach then the last sale. It seems weird that they would sell the team and then all of the sudden take the team out of the market and keep them.
Once the sale actually happens, That may be the only way we would be able to get out of the inevitable decline the Franchise will see in a couple seasons.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 16, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions
Another Big - Cheap
One big who might come cheap is a kid by the name of Hamady N’diaye. This would be his 2nd year in which in the league so far, he has done nothing. But if you watch what he did at Rutgers by setting a shot blocking record. He should come real cheap and could play a couple of minutes every so often to deter and block shots.
I must have the jones for basketball..........
because I’m watching a Piston and Cavalier pre season game, and Damien Wilkins is having a pretty good game.
In other news Kobe might be a free agent soon
By that I mean that his wife filed for divorce. Not sure of the back story on it, but rough off season for the Lakers.
Travis Outlaw amnestied, claimed by the Kings
See, this is the exactly the kind of contract which killed the old CBA. 5 years, $35 million, and you regret it the very year after you sign it. Why? Because he’s a very marginal player-he’s Marvin Williams-lite (and Marv doesn’t deserve what he’s making, either, especially next season).
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
how much longer is his contract
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
He just signed last year, I'm pretty sure
So it should be 4 more years. Not sure what portion of that he is owed by the Kings.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I meant marvins sorry
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Marvin's got at least two more years
he’s owed $7.5m this year, a little over $8m next year, and then has an option at $7.5 in 2013/2014.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Or the Knicks
who if I’m not mistaken, picked up an option on Billups for this season just to amnesty him. But then the Knicks have been the posterchild for stupid decisions in the NBA, and if they didn’t have NYC TV money rolling in, would be in dire straights.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Is there going to be a game thread on here tomorrow?
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Just curious
Did you guys participate in any kind of SBN preview/prediction thread? And if so, when should we expect to see that? My mind is churning a bit about this team, which is why the AM-hours comment.
My thinking right now is this: Despite the predictions that the Hawks will take a step back this year, I honestly can’t see them finishing lower than sixth, assuming pretty much everything goes wrong. The Knicks could take a step forward this year and jump the Hawks, but I don’t see them losing ground far enough for the Sixers to catch-up-they’re still biding time and waiting on their youth to mature. Moreover, I could even see the Hawks sliding back up to the third spot, behind Chicago and Miami. Three observations:
1) Orlando is in a tough spot. Any distraction there at all is going be tough for them, since it’s Howard or bust. Glen Davis beefs up the frontline defense, but he’s not a very strong offensive player, and even Brandon Bass does a better job at spreading the floor. I don’t know if they’ve got enough guys to space the floor-Redick might have to take on a bigger role than he was ever meant to. Jason Richardson is a great shooter, but he’s the kind of offensive threat that teams fear.
2) Boston is aging. Well, okay, the four frontline players are still awesome, especially together. But in a season like this, they could have a real rough time. KG, Allen, and Pierce are all going to need to keep their minutes down, and their bench stinks. Marquis Daniels? Keyon Dooling? And those are really their TOP reserves. There’s nothing at all there to be enthused about.
3) The Hawks themselves. After seeing Teague in a preseason game, I feel just confident enough that he can be the kid we saw in the playoffs. They’ve made some sennsible signings with limited cap space. And last year was already close to their worst-case scenario: JJ’s shooting sucked, Josh Smith had knee problems, and LD kept giving minutes to Mo Evans despite his being a complete waste of space. Even if McGrady struggles, he should still be a better use of minutes than guys in similar roles last year. By default, we should improve by not giving any minutes to Josh Powell or Mo Evans, and there’s actually reasonable players to use this year instead. So the Hawks should be at least slightly better, for a few reasons.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
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