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Atlanta Hawks News: Sekou Smith's Prediction And Fan's Outrage Surrounding Jamal Crawford

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Full blown season predictions are still probably a few weeks away but NBA.com's Sekou Smith offered up his perspective by including the Hawks among his surprise teams. Don't get excited because it isn't what you are expecting.

Since my cupboard of pet teams is already overflowing this season (the Hang Time Grizzlies, L.A. Clippers and now the Minnesota Timberwolves),I'll channel my dark side and say that this is the year the Hawks hit the skids. (And I realize we're talking about one of just three teams, along with the Lakers and Celtics, to make the second round of the playoffs in each of the past three seasons.) They've operating on borrowed time with all of the subtle tweaks the franchise has made the past four years. But without Jamal Crawford (free agent) and a healthy Kirk Hinrich to start the season, the Hawks will start the season in neutral without making a splashy move during training camp. The fact is, they've done just about all they can with the current roster, all the while resisting the urge to make any significant changes to their core. This is the year that inactivity comes back to haunt them.

Lets keep in mind Sekou is not your ordinary NBA writer when it comes to the Hawks because he covered the Hawks beat and can still be seen frequently at games and around the players. So his insights into the team shouldn't be ignored.

Interesting that he brings up the subtraction of Jamal Crawford. Current Hawks beat writer Michael Cunningham experienced a lot of outrage from fans when the news leaked out yesterday about Tracy McGrady prompting fans to draw the conclusion that it meant the end of Jamal in Atlanta. So much so that Cunningham had to post a tweet that said the two moves were completely unrelated. Conversely, the rumored signing of McGrady was received around Peachtree Hoops with a positive vibe.

The interesting thing is that as I have said in the past, I never saw Jamal on this team past last season. In fact I thought he would have been moved at the trade deadline last season. Of course I also thought that Jordan Crawford was drafted to replace him.

Jamal Crawford had a wonderful two year run in Atlanta with a Sixth Man of the Year award and a wonderful first round showing last season against the Magic in the Hawks' upset win in round one of the playoffs. But, Atlanta has a ton of money invested in the shooting guard position. They also have Kirk Hinrich who is injured but whose defensive abilities will have him in the mix as long as he is wearing a Hawks uniform. Then there is Jeff Teague whose performance in the playoffs alone should afford him an opportunity this season.

I wonder if those screaming the loudest about Crawford's return are also the ones calling for more minutes for Teague because I am not sure you can have it both ways.

The rumored swap of Crawford for Ronnie Brewer would bring the Hawks back a player that can be successful without the ball in his hands. Lets be clear that as wonderful as Crawford has been, he has been a liability unless he had the ball and was on the attack. Most of the time his offense more than made up for his shortcomings but it still feels like a shift in philosophy is happening with the Hawks in the backcourt. Teague, Hinrich, Brewer (if he is acquired) and Joe Johnson are all capable defenders which is a long way from where the Hawks were at the beginning of last season.

Sekou Smith may very well be right that the Hawks regress further this season. However, I am of the opinion that if it happens it will have more to do with chemistry issues and ill-fitting pieces within the team than it will with the potential departure of Jamal Crawford.

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not buying it

Assuming there are no more major injuries, I don’t see the Hawks falling off the face of the map like that. Even with Hinrich sidelined, Teague should be a substantial upgrade over the PG play they had the last few years which should largely make up for the drop off from Crawford to Tmac and whoever else they sign. I’d be pretty surprised if the Hawks fall below the 6th seed.

by redwards95 on Dec 8, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

Disagree

If the Chicago SNT goes through im feeling really good about our boys. If asik comes too Im really feeling good but even with just brewer i feel like we are working stuff out. Or at least thats what I will tell myself as i go to the games watch on tv and curse and scream about ASG

by AtlsMrWonderful on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Meant to post this comment when the post went up so here goes

Am I missing the point with Jamal? I think he was a big part of last year’s team but I have never felt that he was completely crucial either. Now if he simply walks away that is one thing but there is the possibility that Atlanta gets a player back. At any rate I feel like no Jamal this year is offset by more Jeff Teague.

If I am missing the boat someone please throw me a line. What am I missing?

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I feel the same. Especially once Hinrich returns, the Hawks should be a better team overall without Crawford. They got a great return in the trade for Crawford but they would be smart to quit while they’re ahead. If they can get a useful player for him in a sign-and-trade that would be more than enough.

by redwards95 on Dec 8, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This...

I don’t get it.

GATA!

by Jman781 on Dec 8, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You would think

Hawks’ fans would be wary of giving out contracts like that

I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern

by a hooter's baby on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering how much some whine about extending Zaza, Marvin, Bibby, and Joe

at amounts more than they’re worth, agreed. But then people are idiots.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 8, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

You're not missing the boat.

I have no idea how anyone deemed “an expert” could see the removal of Jamal Crawford from the Hawks’ roster as a big deal. Crawford didn’t play any defense, he didn’t create much for other guys, and his scoring efficiently regressed last season (relative to the year before). Now, I know that the Hawks are not good enough to win it all. And they may well continue their recent slide backwards. But that’s not what Sekou is arguing.

Ultimately, just how much they improve or decline will depend upon how well they can cheaply stock the rest of the roster. But losing Jamal Crawford isn’t suddenly going to make them a 35-win team. With their starting lineup, they are who they are: a decent team that’s good enough to make it to the playoffs but not good enough to win it all.

by Adam80 on Dec 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing Sekou is saying, at least what I'm reading

is that without Hinrich, or Jamal, we have no bench. We have the same old core, that is starting to turn on itself (Josh stuff) and no adequate bench to spell them should someone get hurt. If we stay healthy, and add the right very cheap vets to the bench, we can turn out all right. But a stiff breeze could knock us over, if it hasn’t already with the Hinrich injury and Smoove wanting out.

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 8, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not like Hinrich is out for the year. He’ll be back in a month or two.

by redwards95 on Dec 8, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

we hope

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 8, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with your assessment of Sekou's predicition

9 games in 12 days with essentially one point guard that while breaking in another will be a challenge. The condensed schedule will also test the chemistry on this team which has also been brought into question.

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 8, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You miss the point, it is simple to explain why fans are upset

Fans are upset because they like exciting basketball.

Anyone that has ever watched Jamal, can attest to that fact. Jamal is an incredible offensive player Anyone that has ever seen Jamal’s handles, his incredible off balance shots, knows that is a God given talent. It is not replaceable. Jamal can miss a shot, but the handles before he makes the shot, make you go wow.

It comes down to Basketball as art vs. basketball as Xs and Os.
If you believe it is only Xs and Os, you accept losing Jamal much easier If you don’t, is much harder (see fans).

Now I kind of am in the middle. I have seen the truth in Teague (all due respect to Hawks Straight talk and Co Co, they saw it first, at least they wanted to try him out first). I think we have a jewel in him, and keeping Jamal can slow down or stop his development with the coach we have. So I can see why we lose Jamal.

But I agree with Seku, we go down this year. Because other teams in East have improved (Indiana, Washington, Sixers) are probably just as good or better. We have to fight Orlando without Jamal (we don’t have a shot), obviously heat and Chicago are better. Celtics, are probably still better.

So I think we are left to fight with NY and Deer for the final two spots. I doubt we can get any of the top six spots.

So does a trade of Jamal make sense? On paper for Brewer, may be? In the hearts of fans no way. Which is why I am insistent that we get Asik for Jamal, or just let him walk. I can not accept Brewer for him.

Does it make sense? No. You can say Spurs win with Xs and Os, or Cows win playing ugly, but in the heart of basketball FANS, that don’t count. Basketball is an art. And Jamal is an artist that you are losing, you better be really really careful what you are losing. Not to mention, one of the best spokepeople I have seen in an athlete. In a way, Jamal is also not happy to go, because this is the place where he grew up as player, became a man, where he is loved, and wanted. It is really really sad and hard to let him go to that cold frozen dark place called Chicago. I for one, will miss his excitement every time he enters the game

by ATLpaul on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You do realize that some of those "Basketball as art"

people see artistic work in complete players, not just one dimensional scorers?

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 8, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on what we get back though paul

I am not prepared to say that Jamal Crawford is not replaceable. He can be replaced and it doesn’t have to be with a shoot first player that plays no defense. We are constantly ridiculing this team for staying the status quo when this is change albeit slightly. Again my opinion is that regression is still possible but losing Jamal will be just one of a number of factors in that.

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 8, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You are correct

Just trying to give a different perspective why there is uproar. People on this site are too close and aware about Hawks needs. It is not always reflected on the common fans, who come to games or watch them casually. That is all

by ATLpaul on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That was kind of my feeling as well

although I certainly don’t want to refer to this site as being more in the know. I would say casual fans see the crossovers and four point plays but don’t understand the salary dynamics

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 8, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I respect Sekou's work but.....

The condensed season works to the advantage of teams w/a returning core. The Hawks’ core is intact, and will not require meshing once the season starts.

Jamal is great to watch, but he’s not irreplaceable. Flip Murray was great off the bench too. Hopefully T-Mac can score off the bench and stay healthy during the shortened season. Jamal isn’t getting younger either and has lost his explosiveness around the hoop.

I think we start to see a drop off next year w/Joe a year older, Josh probably gone, and relying on Horford more offensively (especially if the Hawks still do not have a true center).

by mstaff2003 on Dec 8, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks ..

for the kudos on Teague – I’m going to use that as my only expert prognostication for as long as he gives me material :). Now, to your point, we’ll just continue to disagree about common fans. My mom is a common fan – guess what she likes,..WINNING. When we win, she goes. When we don’t, she don’t. She doesn’t care about exciting losers. My best friend loves a good dunk and a crossover – guess what he does after that, yell at Jamal for sucking at every other part of the game. The rest of my friends – all think I’m irrational about the Hawks, don’t know why I blog, etc. Guess what they think about Jamal – he’s a guy on the team. He’s not a star by any measure. They care about him as exciting as he hits a 4 pt play and when they go home – they spend 10 times more time worrying about Al, Josh, Joe, etc.

Trust me, you like Jamal and that’s fine, but he’s just a guy. He did not make the Hawks a better team on the whole, We were an barely above average team before he arrived and we will be the same after he leaves. If you check our attendance figures, I’m CERTAIN that the numbers are no different. So, let’s rid ourselves of this illusion that he really matters. he doesn’t. i repeat – common fans don’t care about Jamal. I put that on my momma. 25 years of watching Hawks ball bears it out…

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

lol but yet I seem to do the samw

M

y best friend loves a good dunk and a crossover – guess what he does after that, yell at Jamal for sucking at every other part of the game.

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by Throw on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

And

if I see some signs and jerseys in honor of Crawford when he departs (Lord KNOWS he better depart) – I’ll bow to ATLPAUL for being more in touch with the pulse of the common Hawks fan…

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with all you say

Winning and exciting is better than just exciting.

Still those dribbles by Jamal, God I’ll miss him. i only wish i could dribble like him

by ATLpaul on Dec 9, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

common fans*

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

My feelings exactly. Teague will have more to do with the success of the Hawks more than ever. Teague will do a lot of scoring this year. He showed that he could do that against Rose and the Bulls.

by jdewayneatl on Dec 8, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

4 pt plays

http://sportsandgrits.com/

by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 8, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not that Crawford's role is hard to fill

But we may not have a player who can fill it. It’s looking more and more like our bench will be a slight variance of Damien Wilkins.

by axhfan on Dec 10, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

but there was supposed to be the demise of Denver when he left.

But like Kris said, with more of Teague and hopefully a replacement free agent or 2, the Hawks should stay in the upper half in the East

by xavip on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Knicks are about to dump Billups at the curb like old trash

Trade Turiaf. All of this just to sign Tyson Chandler and lure CP3. The only person who will have knee ligaments on that team is Carmelo

I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern

by a hooter's baby on Dec 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

That is what I read into that too

That move is all about trying to lure CP3 there but how can it happen salary wise?

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 8, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure it works financially

Instead of waiting on Paul, their best bet would be to sign Nash next year.

I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern

by a hooter's baby on Dec 8, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't they have to dump Turiaf and Billups just to get Chandler?

I don’t see it as a move for CP3, but rather an acceptance they can’t get him because of bad timing and lack of trade pieces.

Also, this seems to be the year of stupid amnesty. The Spurs had a year to see that Jefferson didn’t fit with them, but for some reason they resigned him to an extension when he opted out. Now they amnesty him. The Knicks picked up a 14M team option on Billups only to decide to amnesty him to make other moves. If they hadn’t picked up the team option they could have saved their amnesty for another player.

by Evildallas on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

One more thing

let’s not use Twitter and some blogs to give us some impression that there is outrage about Jamal. That’s just SIMPLY NOT TRUE. There isn’t going to be sports talk for days on it. Won’t be a bunch of articles in the paper or clips about it on the news. Won’t make any of the national news. We have more access to news and opinions than ever, so the ones we look at make us think that our voices are louder than they are. I PROMISE you there is not going to be outrage over Jamal Crawford not being a Hawk this year. Won’t be a bunch of Jamal jerseys, no signs saying why didn’t we bring him back.

Feel pretty strongly about. It’ll only be ATLPAUL (bless him) saying why we still need him. That’s it. Moving on…

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

I will say this

There may not be any outrage at the games but the Hawks are going to get killed by the national media for letting Jamal walk or for re-signing him. Mark it down that is happening. I can probably produce a list of websites that it will happen on and who will write it.

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 10, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Too true

If we sign him – we’re sticking to a failing strategy. If he walks – our cheap ass owners aren’t committed to winning.

by axhfan on Dec 10, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, let's mark a bet on that one

Please list the national media outlets that are going to kill the Hawks on this. I couldn’t disagree with you more. I’ll come back once Jamal leaves and we’ll count it up. The only way I even partially agree is if you are saying they are going to kill the Hawks for having poor cap management that allows for pieces not to be re-signed, but for BASKETBALL REASONS – I don’t agree a bit. Some may say that we could use him, but ‘killed’ – sorry, not buying…

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 11, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Your version of killed and mine may differ

but I will bet you my car that Pro Basketball talk will do exactly as I have described above. It was the same thing with Joe.

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 11, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I stand by the statement – honestly don’t see more than even mild dissent by even a few correspondents. There are too many ‘voices’ to expect everyone to agree, but there was great reason to kill the Hawks about Joe Johnson and I don’t see it in any way approaching what will inevitably happen with Jamal. I think people will criticize the lack of bench depth and scoring punch than a call for Jamal Crawford specifically. Like I’ve been saying – Jamal is a piece that is a final piece – he’s not a building block. The only teams that would clamor for him are those that think he can put them over the top.

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

We essentially agree

but is he the final piece for those teams chasing him now? New York, Indiana? I don’t think so

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 12, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Very good point

I amend that to say “And teams who haven’t really proven that their front offices know what the heck they are doing.” :)

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 13, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that we are missing one crucial point in the J-Craw discussion.

Resigning a player does you no good if you aren’t going to let him play to his strengths anyway. Drew tried turning him into a PG last year, which helped account a lot for his “disappearance”. Better to let him go, than to try and force fit into a bad role. It will also remove the temptation from Drew to give time to someone else over Teague at the position.

by RamblininAlb on Dec 12, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree

Sometimes I wonder if those calling for Crawford’s return are the same people that are calling for more Jeff Teague. I am not sure you can have it both ways especially after Hinrich returns.

@Kris_Willis

by Kris Willis on Dec 13, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But Jamal was never going to be a good fit here b/c his strengths are the kind that aren’t championship strengths. Every team can use a Vinny “The Microwave” Johnson, but not as a major cog. I think the Hawks fans who cling to Jamal don’t understand that Jamal is not that super unique in the NBA. If you asked a guy to ONLY score and to not do anything else – rebound, defend, pass, etc – you can get Jamal’s production from a LOT of players. I don’t mean his game is not unique, but if you asked for Jamal production – I think you can find that. Or you can approach it at a value that’s much lower than what’s there, so to me – and esp. with our cap situation and with NEXT season coming where it’ll be MORE free agent talent – Jamal is a no brainer to get let go. My preview will probably be sobering in that – I’m for carving out cap room as a major focus for next year.

Hawk Str8Talk

by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 13, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign Crawford you useless ownership!

Trade joe johnson for J. Mcgee or cp3 for a suitable package. and sign jamal crawford for a 3 or 2 year deal or 6 if he wants but not a contract like jj.
now we have a happy 6 man and a large cap. then draft gaurds next year or sign a solid one. and win championship. that easy.. hahaha

by Quikee on Dec 9, 2011 1:54 AM EST reply actions  

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