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Bulls Fan Here With a Potential Trade and Wondering Your Thoughts

Hi All,

You probably have read a few of my posts here, i visit this site every now and then to see whats up. I had a trade that i came up with, and I wanted to gauge your reaction on what you would think of the trade. I'm one of those fans who loves churning out possible trade ideas, dont know why really...

Trade is after the jump, but let me set some presumptions. First off, the bulls have like many teams, the full MLE to use, which is a little over 5 million. The bulls have been searching for a two guard (as you may know) and one big potential player is Jamal Crawford, however since he is technically going to be a free agent, in order to trade him would involve a sign and trade.


You probably have already heard about that rumor, and how the trade is meant to be based around Crawford and the Bulls wingman Brewer. The thing that intrests me about this rumor, is the fact that no one seems to mention that if Jamal Crawford was signed and traded, it would have to be to a deal above the MLE. Brewer, makes less than 5 million so if Crawford was being signed and traded for brewer, somehow the difference would have to be made up by chicago.

Another big aspect is how much Jamal Crawford would want in order to go through with this sign and trade. So for this excersise I am going to assume that Jamal Crawford is wiling to sign and trade for the amount of 8 million, which seems to be about the market value for scoring wingmen right now...

Some numbers

Jamal Crawford-8million
Kirk Hinrich-8.1 million
Ronnie Brewer-4.7 million
Cj Watson-3.4 Million
Pargo-1.3 million
JLIII-0.9 milllion
MLE-5 million*

(*approximate)

Now the trade....

Star-divide

Atlanta Signs and Trades Jamal Crawford and Kirk Hinrich to Chicago (16.1 million)

and

Chicago Signs and Trade Caron Butler (MLE) Ronnie Brewer, Cj Watson, Jannero Pargo, and John Lucas III to Atlanta (15.3 million)

Rosters afterwards

Atlanta-

Teague/Cj Watson
Joe Johnson/ TMac/Brewer
Butler/Williams/Brewer
Josh Smith/Sy/Rolle
Horford/Zaza

Chicago-

Rose/Hinrich/Crawford
Crawford/Hinrich/Korver
Deng/Korver/Jimmy Butler
Boozer/Taj
Noah/Asik

Why Atlanta does it- Atlanta all of last year was in dire need of a real good SF. Williams was a hard working forward, but he wasnt a particulary good offensive player and was just a solid defender. Butler not only becomes a great offensive sf to add but he also in a way replaces Jamal Crawfords offensive output. You also get Brewer who is a great backup wing man and an elite defender (also one of my favorite players on the current bulls). You get a great backup combo guard in cj watson, he is a good ball handler and willing passer, but his ability to shoot the ball is what makes him special. pargo and John lucas are expiring deals which you can waive, they arent very good and are just filler. Both brewer and watson would have two years left on their contract, and Butler would probably have 4.

Why Chicago Does it-Chicago gets their starting 2 guard in crawfod, while we do recieve a huge blow to our defensive team by losing brewer. Hinrich does make some of the defense up on the perimeter, but nowhere near as athletic or as big as brewer was. Hinrich does give us another ball handler and play maker, and he is pretty beloved by the bulls organization and many bulls fans even today.

Let me know if there are any questions, and please comment on your thoughts below. Thanks for hearing me out guys.

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I’m not really good at looking at possible trades, especially with NBA teams. The one big thing that sticks out at me is that if Rick Sund really wanted Caron Butler at the MLE, he’d just offer that to him. I have doubts about whether management thinks we need anything more than a good back-up for Marvin Williams. I have hopes that perhaps, after his back surgery, he can be a solid contributor this year. It’s a far cry from the star we thought we were getting when we drafted him, but it’s not his fault that we took him instead of Chris Paul.

Frankly, I’d hate to see Hinrich go. Mostly because everyone I’ve seen play PG over the past 4 years or so has been a terrible defender, and he is not. Teague’s defense is still somewhat of a question-mark. We don’t know what he’s going to look like with more extended playing time.

That salary for Crawford looks reasonable, though. This does look like a favorable deal for the Hawks-I honestly wouldn’t do this if I were the Bulls, but they’re the ones with the supposed interest in Crawford, not me. I would say that the lack of a decent back-up for Josh Smith is a sticking point-Pape Sy is a 2/3, probably more a SG than anything else in the future. But then, the Hawks were quite content with utterly useless guys like Josh Powell and Etan Thomas on the depth chart last year, so what do I know? They’ll probably try to sign Jason Collins for the veteran minimum yet again as the third string center.

It’s actually a curiosity to me, though, if the Hawks end up doing a S&T of Crawford. There’s almost no way to do that without going into the luxury, something they’ve desperately avoided up until now. Even if they just took back Brewer and Watson, it’s still going into the luxury a fair amount, so I don’t know why wouldn’t maybe package Hinrich in too. So yeah, not a poorly conceived idea.

I’m not completely sold on Caron Butler being a useful piece for the Hawks, though.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Dec 8, 2011 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

thanks

i actually tweeted this trade to a bulls blogger/pod caster by the name of Doug Thonus, who informed of a very key flaw in my scenerio….A team cannot sign and trade a player that isnt already theirs already…in other words, bulls cannot sign and trade caron butler (like how atlanta couldnt sign and trade tmac on friday if they wanted to)…and that one little caveat completely destroys my trade

Ill delete this post the morning (unless mods do) just so you can see this reply. Thanks for replying though man…back to the drawing board for me

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Dec 8, 2011 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I told you the trade you need to go for, and you did not want to do it, and then you did not reply

Then you go and post this trade on our site, that makes even less sense, SMH

Let me educate you, here is the trade Hawks fans want to have:

Jamal for Asik and Brewer.

If you still have your crush on Captain Kirk, I offered you another trade for him,

Asik and Taj and Korver for Captain Kirk.

Now you are being greedy and want both Jamal and Captain Kirk, so I say give us Brewer and Asik and Taj and Korver.

Remember as I told you before, even your own Chicago writer agreed that you have to give up your big men to get creators to help Rose.

Again quoting from the article because you seem to have short term memory loss,

“But to reach the same level they’re going to have to get better, in part by having a player who can take some of the offensive pressure off Rose and Deng. If that means making a trade that cuts into the Bulls’ depth, which is a clear advantage, then perhaps that’s the way Foreman and Paxson will have to go. I wouldn’t want to trade Asik or Gibson either, but the conference finals proved Rose has to have a better wingman. Is O.J. Mayo still available? Courtney Lee? And if so, is either the upgrade that helps the Bulls slip past Miami? (Probably not.) Would you give up a “big” who can score and defend to get a 15-points-per-game scorer?

And so, this is the game Bulls watchers are going to play for the next month and beyond, particularly if the team isn’t as good as it was in the last regular season, or if Miami gets out of the gate quickly.

Would the Bulls be willing (able?) to get Brandon Roy after amnesty, and if so how much does Roy have left? Where is the trade sleeper, the kid from Golden State or Sacramento who will blossom playing with Rose and Deng, whose value to a contender is much greater than to a last-place or rebuilding team?:

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7299273/chicago-bulls-need-acquire-offensive-help-afford-it

Good luck finding creators to help Rose, who is the only one that matters on your team

by ATLpaul on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

You're the one who's being greedy

We’re not getting Taj or Asik for the hardly-unique Jamal Crawford.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Dec 8, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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