NBA Trade Rumors: Atlanta And Chicago Reportedly Discussing Jamal Crawford Sign And Trade
by Kris Willis on Dec 7, 2011 3:08 PM EST
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Jamal Crawford has garnered plenty of free agent interest around the league but the Chicago Bulls may be stepping up as the front runner. Hoopsworld's Steve Kyler is reporting that the Hawks and the Bulls are discussing a potential sign-and-trade deal for Crawford centered around Ronnie Brewer.
Brewer played in 81 games for the Bulls last season averaging 6.2 points per game while hitting 48 percent of his shots. He is listed at 6-foot-7, 220lbs and would theoretically be able to swing between the shooting guard and small forward positions at times. Brewer has career scoring averages of 9.4 points and is a career 51 percent shooter. Brewer is set to make $4.7 million this season although that number will be prorated due to the shortened season.
Alex Sonty of Blog A Bull talks about the rumored deal:
I'm weary to jump at a package including Brewer to get Crawford from the Hawks -- as Crawford likely wouldn't sign for the $5 mid-level exemption, when he can make maybe 50-80% more per season elsewhere. But this is likely because the Hawks are more interested in Brewer than Korver, so the wiggle room likely isn't there.
Consistent, trustworthy leaks over the past two seasons that Crawford's overwhelmingly eager to win a championship pushes me toward the fence of buying such a deal. But if Taj or Omer are demanded in the package, pretty sure the Bulls would be smartest to pass -- and we should expect they will. Also, neither Taj nor Omer make enough for a trade to be legal under the salary cap rules. The only package I can really see working out with the dollars is Korver or C.J. Watson in the package with Brewer; under which case, the Bulls begin shopping for another guard to come off the bench.
With Kirk Hinrich injured, the Hawks need guards and Brewer could be regarded as the anti-Jamal Crawford. He is a defender that is going to pick and choose his offensive opportunities. The most interesting aspect might be what the Hawks ask for in addition to Brewer. I think it is unlikely that the Bulls would part with either of the bigs mentioned in Taj Gibson or Omer Asik. However, Korver could provide that long range marksman that the Hawks haven't had in an eternity while C.J. Watson could also be helpful at the point guard position. What the package would look like would depend on what size of a contract Crawford would agree to.
Exit Question: How would you feel about a sign-and-trade deal sending Jamal Crawford to the Bulls for a package centered around Ronnie Brewer?
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It's a solid deal
I too doubt that the Bulls would give up either of their bench bigs, but it can’t hurt to ask on Gibson. Brewer, Watson, and Korver if you can’t pry a big loose would be fine.
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Hey Jamal is going away regardless
So a sign and trade makes sense.
BUT…….
not sign and trade for anything, because ASG is most probably limited in what they can spend. So we don’t need to help Cows which are in our own conference, unless they are willing to help us too.
We need a center. So unless Cows trade Brewer and Turkish guy, I say pass. Of-course if Cows throw a first rounder and a second rounder and Brewer, I may be tempted.
Asok is the only one we really want. Hawks are foolish to go after Brewer if they are struggling with money. I rather send Jamal to western team under those circumstances.
We also don’t need another freakin Power forward (taj). So no way to that. No way to Watson. I like Korver and Asok also together. But not just Korver (though you could pursuage me on him)
Salaries of the rumored players
It is hard to speculate without knowing what Jamal might get but assume more than $6 million and less than $10 million annually.
Korver makes $5 million
C.J. Watson $3.6 million
Asik makes just $1.7 million and Gibson $1.1 million which is further evidence of why the Bulls aren’t likely to include them.
@Kris_Willis
I could be flexible, if they throw draft picks (first rounder and second rounder)
The cows are not going anywhere, they know it. They are desperate for a shooting guard, be it Captain Kirk or Jamal.
I could also be convinced about Korver, but I think they will not trade Korver, he is not replacable.
They don’t need Asok. Not with Noah. Last year he hardly got minutes, even when Noah got injured. So what is it to them?
Asik is Noah's primary backup.
And bigs are overvalued by a bunch in today’s NBA
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not last year
That was Kurt Thomas. Kurt Thomas carried the entire weight last year while Noah was injured.
Now question would be what happens with Kurt? Would they sign him again?
If not, then the question is which is more valuable, 50 big men, or another creator to help Rose? Desperation of Cows answers that question
Now you could convince me to take Kurt. I have seen how he got to Lion’s head last year. I was hearing that in person during the games. The man is a mental but a great mental
Hell, to be honest, the trade helps us by weakening them
We know they’re desperate for a scorer. Watson and Brewer are good defenders. The day JC plays some Bulls=type defense will be the first of his life.
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I don't think so, you forget they have a great coach
That coach will use Jamal the right way.
He will come off the bench. He will either score quickly, or will go back to sit down.
It is not like LD playing Jamal for Teague for 20 minutes (exactly why we lost games vs. Cows last year in playoffs, bad coaching).
Under the right circumstances, Jamal is a very dangerous weapon. That is why he is so valuable, you can not defend his scoring when he is on, impossible
The Bulls Blog is already discussing how bad their defense would be
If they had to play Korver and Jamal together. Call me crazy but at first glance I don’t necessarily dislike the idea of Brewer and Korver and maybe Watson
@Kris_Willis
I would take Brewer and Korver
But there is NO WAY Cows will give up Korver. He is one of a kind. You can not find that type of outside shooting easily there days.
I could have killed Sund the day he let Korver go to Cows from Utah
Jason Kapono is still on the free agent market.
One dimensional spot-up shooters are a dime a dozen.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Here is my thinking
Brewer is a defensive guard
Korver brings outside shooting but not much else
The Hawks have to sign a point guard at least until Kirk is back and Watson isn’t my first choice but…….
@Kris_Willis
The question about this rumor is
how much would Jamal sign for and would the Hawks go into the luxury tax.
@Kris_Willis
Remember JJ can do some point guard
And I like you point about TJ Ford, and then trade Captain Kirk for a center somehow
I am in love with that type of shooting by Korver. He reminds me of the great teams of Hawks past. He reminds me of another great pure shooter we had, Randy Wittman.
The day we traded Randy and Tree, was out end. Still, we can get him and get great scoring. I take him any day
He can but it is less than ideal
Offensively is not a problem, defensively in this condensed schedule would be a nightmare
@Kris_Willis
A deal that gives us Brewer Korver and Watson
Transforms our bench from a HUGE liability to one of strength, would be a GREAT deal for us
Provided Jamal signs for what I think he will
and the Hawks are willing to go into the tax.
That is my interpretation anyway. I haven’t ran it through the trade machine and am a little fuzzy on the new CBA trade details
@Kris_Willis
I don't want Watson
Seen him, has nothing left in the tank.
I take TJ Ford any day over him, any day
Not sure
But i think he just got a raw deal at Indy. He was doing everything they needed. Once they got the kid from SA, and the kid from NQ who i love that backed up CP#, TJ was the odd man out. He has moves and the court vision of a true point. He and Teague, what a yummy thought
Bulls cant be that dumb
to give up Asik for Jamal Crawford
That is too sad
I try not to think about that though, need to look forward – and Chicago is indeed in a difficult spot.
Based on Pacers and Heat performance last year, the formulae to beat them is now obvious. Put a mobile big and they become crippled. They have no one else that can create their own shot but for the Great Rose. That is all that is needed to shut them off, and they know it
It would shock me, too, if true
They’ve already had Jamal (admittedly, seasons ago), and he’s not exactly a Thibs sort of player. Also older and without any real upside, as far as growing with the team. And I think Asik (as a big with value now and upside, plus on a rookie contract) is worth more than that.
Wait so there is a chance we could get asik?
im all for it
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Of course not, because the alternative is he goes elsewhere and you get nothing
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Let's do it!!!! It would greatly improve our team.
Korver swings this deal in our favor big time! He was such a scary player last year in the second round and he is a scary player in general. Him being able to light it up from 3 can change a game it makes it difficult for players to help off him and will allow for more one on one play for some of our players. This deal would be amazing so it probably won’t happen. haha
Jamal is gone anyway
Knowing this, I am in favor of any sign and trade that brings back players who can play quality minutes. Korver and Brewer is a good combination. One of them can come off the bench in a defense/energy role, while the other one can come off the bench and stretch the floor. It is good to have role players like that, especially affordable ones like them.
Gibson or Asik would be ideal, but even if neither one is included, it is not a bad deal. I would probably insist on a draft pick thrown in if I were Sund, but I am fine with this.
I really want to know why Jamal thinks he's going to get more than $5 million this season
Heh. Good for us if this deal happens, but it’s hard for me to imagine someone actually wanting Crawford enough to both pay him more than $5 million and give up talent to get him.
In a vacuum, I take Brewer over Crawford, easily. If we’re getting something else along with Ronnie Brewer, I’m in love.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I think he is getting more than $5 million judging by the amount of teams that are interested
Its the market driving the price up.
I like Brewer a lot too.
@Kris_Willis
He does provide what the Bulls need in someone other than Derrick Rose who can create his own shot.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Remember Jamal can be very effective under the right circumstances
In a team with as many defensive players as Chicago, his weakness would not be glaring. And if their coach does what Woody did, which is bring him in for scoring and not as a point guard (remember Bibby was still good during Woody years), then Jamal can be very effective. And if he is not scoring immediately, you take him out. Which is what Chicago will do because they have a great coach.
You can not find offensive skills like that easily (think JR Smith or Hardin though Hardin plays D). Those players are very rare commodities.
I am not even commenting on his handles or style, which is pretty to the eye. And add to that, in ATL he proved he is a great locker room guy. A veteran with a silken tongue that is a great teammate. Not easy to get all that in one man.
If we can either get a solid big man in Gibson or Asik
or a pretty good three point shooter in Korver or Brewer, I will be very happy. Crawford is leaving anyways so getting one of our two needs is solid. I wish we could do a Gibson-Crawford deal straight up. That would be nice. Either way I am happy.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 7, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions
Considering
Jamal is fueling the negotiations between the cows and Hawks, this deal has legs but I can’t shake the feeling it’s on a turbulent setting.
Considering I wanted Brewer...
as the defensive half of a pairing with Anthony Morrow on my “let Joe go” thoughts last year, hells yeah I’d be interested in Brewer. He’d be a great defender, and could push for minutes at the 2 or 3, and even the 1 with Joe next to him in a initiator role.
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Good Deal
Even if it was straight up Jamal for Brewer its a good deal because Jamal could walk and we could end up with nothing.
And brewer would be great on our bench with Mcgrady.
I am happy to see the Hawks being proactive.
If we get Asik, it is a no brainer at that point
Bigs are just too hard to come by. I think he could start right away.
No way the Bulls are giving up Asik for a URFA.
They refused to include him and Gibson in a trade for Mayo. This is Crawford creating leverage for a bigger contract. If he wants more $ then he can sign with N.J or N.O outright and the Bulls will sign J Rich or Butler for the full MLE.
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I just don't understand this line of thinking
I mean i get it – you are a cows fan.
But why keep xtras on the bench, when you can help Rose? When Rose is the player that makes Chicago go?
because you can keep the extras and still help Rose
or if you move the extras, get a better return than Jamal
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jamal crawford
There is no way the bulls should even be considering bringing back jamal crawford , he isnt the answer to our problem, hell i would rather have ben gordon back
Then you must realize that most teams now know the formulae to beat Chicago in playoffs
After what Pacers and Heat did, it is clear you frustrate Rose, and there is no other one that can create his own shot. You also can’t afford to take him out of the game, because again no one to create his own shot. That is what JAmal gives you. Of-course there are others out there, such as our own JJ.
Ben Gordon does not qualify as one that can make his own shots. That is what you need. You have shooters, you have no one that can create, besides the great Rose
I've always liked Brewer
Yeah, everyone knows about his D, but the guy’s got hops and can run with the right team on the floor. I could see him, Teague, and Smoove leading to some nasty breakaways in transition.
im watering at the mouth at that
and dont forget horf, he can run the floor
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Is anyone else surprised that Jamal has garnered this much interest
We won’t know for sure until we see dollar amounts but it seems like there are a lot of teams chasing him.
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Not really
there’s a really diluted FA pool of shot-creators and scorers. All goes back to the laws of supply and demand, and JC is the benefactor of that right now.
no but I have listened to his podcast
but I mean that is a fair question. Why did outside media degrade Jamal while playing for the Hawks for being one dimensional only to bash Atlanta if they don’t re-sign him?
It is a double standard and one that can’t be won.
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I swear ive had the same thoughts
And its not justJamal Crawford who overnight has became the most overrated player in the NBA. it also seems like every team is back to making these dumb free agent signings for aging vets going to bad basketball teams that arent going to the playoffs this year. Then dont get me started on competitive balance either. This whole lockout was a farce
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