Setting the Hawks on the correct path
The people who find these ideas completely ridiculous might find some solace in a statement of my self proclaimed biases. 1. The Hawks are going no where until Joe Johnson is gone. (He wants the ball as much as Lebron James, but has half the talent) ( No player in Atlanta should get paid this much, with a team struggling to pack its seats with fans on a regular basis you only break the bank for players who the fans come out to see, Joe Johnson was never one of those players) 2. Joe Johnson and Mike Woodson are the reason Marvin Williams has in no way lived up to our expectations. With that being said you won't see a trade involving Marvin below, because if I had to rate my favorite players Marvin is in the top 2-3.
Now that all of that is out of the way let's dive into some trade scenarios.
My true belief is that the first step we must take is to dump Joe Johnson even if we don't get great contracts back and great players.
So here is the first trade. Atlanta Hawks and the Washington Wizards
This sends Washington Joe Johnson and Zaza Pachulia for Rashard Lewis, Javale McGee and Trevor Booker ( or we grab Jordan Crawford back) with exchange of first round picks no protection or with protection.
All we get out of this is a center and a first round draft pick and honestly we could loose Javale if he asks for a lot in his pending free agency. Personally I am done with overspending for the sake of keeping players. I can't remember a time a team reached to overpay someone and it panned out.
Rashard Lewis has two years left on his deal. I call that considerable cap relief right when Joe Johnson's contract would have become considerably daunting.
Now will the Wizards take on this risk? I think they might even after this deal they will have considerable cap room and a much better player than they have in Rashard Lewis. It pushes them closer to being competitive and gives John Wall a veteran he can rely on in big moments. And they don't have to worry about trading him because Rashard Lewis has been dealt a few times and he wasn't as productive as Joe Johnson will be. Now there is the Nick Young Jordan Crawford problem. All I can say to that is Joe Johnson can play multiple positions and it increases their trade chips and leverage in negotiations.
Now we have a huge hole at the two guard spot because resigning Jamal Crawford is not an option. Well personally I would like to move Marvin there and keep everything status quo. And if we do that we go into next year with some huge trade chips Josh Smith on an expiring deal and Rashard Lewis on an expiring deal. That could bring some major, current and future talent to Atlanta, but for the sake of it lets trade Josh this season.
Now these two trades weren't my first options. Honestly I would like to trade Josh Smith for Eric Gordon and a pick, but I don't think the clippers would go for that with Blake Griffin at PF spot. Maybe Joe Johnson should go there, but I digress. I came up with two scenarios. Josh Smith straight up for Andre Iguodala. I am not in a hooray mood about this trade, but it does give us one of the more defensively tight teams in the league. The other trade is a straight up for Monta Ellis, which continues to give us that offensive punch without all of the ball hoggedness, but we do loose the advantage of having a 6'7" shooting guard.
So we end up looking like this
Jeff Teague/Andre Iguodala or Monta Ellis/ Marvin Williams/ Al Horford/ Javale Mcgee
Kirk Hinrich/hopefully Jordan Crawford/ Damien Wilkins (must bring him back)/ Rashard Lewis/ and who ever we can manage here.
Our lineup can be very flexible with Al Horford and Javale Mcgee playing center. Jeff Teague and Kirk Hinrich starting together and other scenarios.
So what do you guys think? I feel it gives us a good amount of future cap relief and a draft pick or two.
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Why shake up the team to get worse?
My first gripe about this post is your regard for Joe Johnson. Joe may not be Lebron or Kobe, but 4 out of 6 years he has taken the Hawks to the playoffs (which had not happen in the 6 years before he came) and 5 out of 6 he has been an All-Star voted in by the COACHES around the league. Now you can say that Joe won’t bring a championship to Atlanta but who has?
Overall, the trade scenarios lead the Hawks to a much worse team. Replacing Joe with Iguodala/Ellis and Josh with Javale McGee. Com’ on man! Iguodala or Ellis have not achieved half of what Joe has as far as TEAM or individual accomplishments. And if you were ever frustrated with Smoove, McGee will definitely have you crawling up a wall.
We still have a couple more years before Joe’s contract is too large to continue to consume. I think we play out this season with a few additions to the core. Then at the end of the season, the Hawks will assess the team and with Smoove as our best trade-chip and the fact that he will be in the last year of his contract in 2012-13 season, he will be traded or not depending on the team performance this year.
I am trying to win a championship bring some real all world talent to ATL and get us on National TV every other week.
If you can come up with a way for us to get better without going through a rough patch for a few years then by all means let me know. The current roster won’t win a championship even with a few additons to the core, which I don’t see ever happening given the fact that they have been trying to build out the core for a few years and while they have had their successes they have had way more failures.
I like to think about how fun it was to watch Joe Johnson over the years. To yell in my friends faces when he went off, but those days are gone and not because he doesn’t have it anymore, but because all I see now is a ball hog and dollar signs. That is all I see, not to mention his inability to show up in the playoffs. I know he has good games in the playoffs I have seen all of them, but they were an aberration a mirage a sick joke he played on us.
Plus seriously I could care less about the coaches poll, you name me a player making Joe Johnson money who needed the coaches to vote him. Let me state this plainly the problem isn’t having him around for six years the real problem is that you only pay someone that type of money if they have already generated that type of revenue for you and I doubt he has.
Oh I know Javal McGee would be frustrating, but at least it gets rid of our power forward problem and for some reason I feel like he is still more coachable than Josh Smith.
Oh and on the Iggy Ellis scenarios they both could at least play within a team concept. I think they are both better fits than Joe in Larry Drews system, which is really better for this TEAM.
Like I said, Joe's contract won't be a problem for a couple more years.
He is set to make $18 million this year. That is about what he should be making, he has earned that. And Smoove’s will have much higher value next year when he is in the last year of his contract. So this won’t be the year to blow the team up. This is the year to make a couple more tweaks and make a run at the Eastern Conference Championship. Now if the Hawks are the the 6th seed and get bounced in the second round, then you best believe that a lot of people will be gone. Josh, Marvin, Larry Drew, Sund, ASG, Joe, and anyone else.
As far as the Coaches voting in Joe… That matters most when it comes to All-Stars, because the starting spots are popularity votes. Yao Ming was always a top vote getter but not necessarily because he deserved it every year. The last two years Kevin Garnett has been an All-Star on name recognition only. Smoove deserved it more than KG in my opinion that last two years. And even Tim Duncan. He wasn’t even the best player on his team last year but he started and Lamarcus Aldrige was snubbed and Kevin Love was a replacement. Joe has earned his All-Star selections and the coaches vote is validation.
Joe Johnson is a 6'8 shooting guard.
Have fun when Josh Smith leaves and Al Horford starts griping for help.
Josh Smith improves his conditioning and instead of choosing between him or Horford. You trade the only guy who can actually create offense and shoot in Joe Johnson. Are you kidding me?
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Ironically Andre Iguodala was selected 3 slots after Josh Childress. Funny how we keep pursuing guys we should have drafted.
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
The news tonight is that the Lakers are in running for Chris Paul...
Do you know how far they are in the luxury tax? Having a big contract will not take you out of contention. It actually makes you better since you have pieces to make trades with. Timberwolves and Sacramento has a ton of cap space. You see any silver lining there?
Question: If the Hawks blow the team up, are you going to go to the games? Buy popcorn and soda at them? Support that team? Nope. Hawks are just going to suck again and everyone is going to blame the ASG…
I can't speak for everyone else, but I went to just as many games when they were 13-69 as do now and will do
I had hope in those early teams I saw a future and I could believe in their progress. I am going to go to the same amount games now because I am a Hawks fan, but my level of disgust with them is so much higher now because they are making the same mistakes and have the same problems that I saw four years ago. So if they decide to blow this thing up as long as they don’t trade away Josh Smith and a first rounder for Samuel Dalembert I will go see the games. Actually I will still go see the games, but my reason for being there will be a little different.

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