Atlanta Hawks Roster Set After Requesting Waivers On Keith Benson
The Atlanta Hawks will carry 15 players on their roster at least to start the season after the team requested waivers on 2011 second-round pick Keith Benson on Friday. The team also released 2010 second-round pick Pape Sy along with Brad Wanamaker and Magnum Rolle.
Here is a look at the expected depth chart as the Hawks break camp:
PG: Jeff Teague / Jannero Pargo / Donald Sloan / Kirk Hinrich*
SG: Joe Johnson / Willie Green / Jerry Stackhouse
SF: Marvin Williams / Tracy McGrady
PF: Josh Smith / Vladimir Radmanovic / Ivan Johnson
C: Al Horford / Zaza Pachulia / Jason Collins
The big winners in this appear to be Donald Sloan and Ivan Johnson who both have spent time in the D-League. Atlanta will carry four point guards on the roster counting the injured Kirk Hinrich and were no doubt influenced by the injury suffered by Jeff Teague in training camp. Teague is expected to start Tuesday's season opener but had he been out for any length of time, Atlanta would have been extremely thin at the lead guard position. Johnson impressed with two solid performances in the preseason games.
Jerry Stackhouse on one hand is a bit of a surprise at making the roster but on the other has been billed as an extension of the coaching staff. While none of us really gave him that much of a chance we really shouldn't be that surprised given the comments Drew and the other players made.
According to MC, there are four players with non-guaranteed deals. The date that those deals would become guaranteed is on February 10 so expect a flurry of roster moves around that time. By carrying 15 players, my unofficial math says that the Hawks are over the luxury tax threshold but only need to get below the number by the end of the season. Those unguaranteed deals should enable them to do just that.
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Benson Waived?
I agree totally, they should’ve Stackhouse as a coach because that’s all he’ll be providing for this team. Benson will probably develop into a solid PF in thei league….ie Dale Davis type… hard nosed, tough defender, rebounder and understands his role…every team needs that type of player (everybody doesn’t need to be a scorer)
by Hawk4life1017 on Dec 24, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
We really need to give a big guy a chance to develop
No wonder we don’t have a true center because we continue to be content with Pachulia and Collins behind Horford. Benson may not have been playing well right now, but what do you expect out of a player from Oakland. You draft him for potential and athleticism and keep him on the roster to let him get stronger and teach him better post moves. If we only have one friggin pick in the draft and use it on a post man, we better keep him. We’ve been wasting second round picks on guys who are projects and then we don’t let them develop. How does that make any sense. We might as well use our 2nd round picks on guys who can only shoot and throw them in to make shots. It seems like we don’t have anyone on our second team that can score anyways. I’m not happy with the front office right now as you can tell lol.
so minus youth and atheleticism
we only have two young shot blockers…both of them starting. Marvin Williams still doesn’t have “youthful” competition behind him.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Horford ain't a shotblocker. Player non-development ftw. Benson could have been a good PF and I liked Sy. This could burn the Hawks if they catch on.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 24, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions
What does ANY of this have to do with Horford?
Are you secretly in love with him, so you outwardly reject him?
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Wow
That perfectly describes my relationship with Rachel Ray
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by a hooter's baby on Dec 24, 2011 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so minus youth and atheleticism we only have two young shot blockers??
No I’m in love with you Duff_Man and it ain’t no secret.
Josh Smith is obviously one shotblocker so who’s the other?
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 26, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
i guess averaging a block a game doesn't make you a shot blocker
right
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
People waltz right into the lane with Al. come on man...35mpg.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 27, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
In part because of weak perimeter D (until Hinrich arrived)
although Al wasn’t an intimidating force waiting, they got in to the lane because of our perimeter D, not Al or Josh’s inability to reject them on arrival.
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I think the HInrich thing is funny, Hinrich's defensive rating was worse than Bibby's last year, for several reasons, but I digress.
This isn’t about Josh rejecting them. On occasion he’s too short and can’t cover the ground and angle himself to block the shot.
Horford isn’t particularly quick enough to use his length to block shots.
And this is against the elite teams I’m talking about.
* Hawks trade {Al Horford + protected 2nd rounder} for {Perimeter F Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Jeff Teague * Joe Johnson* Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Andrew Bogut *
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Merry Christmas to All Hawks Fans & bloggers
I agree keeping Stackhouse, letting Benson go, are surprise moves.
It tells us some revealing things though about the internal happenings at ASG and relationships to LD/Sund.
After LD asked for Sy to be waived, the same Sy he was a proponent of for the last year and a half, the same Sy that ASG spent half a million $ to keep, I am sure he & Sund lost some credibility within the ASG ranks. Remember this is the cheap org we have come to know who do not hesitate about selling draft picks and not paying for coaches.
To me, keeping Benson in D-League, which is where he belongs, is a future move. ASG must have given LD and probably Sund an ultimatum about this being the year for improvements or else. Keeping Benson for future does not do a thing for LD. Benson’s usefulness this year, is open to debate. I personally don’t think he is ready to compete in NBA. Remember, he was cut by the Italian team he played for during the lockout, and I have no doubt, he would not have been able to withstand the rigors of playing center in NBA, even as a backup.
So if it is all about this year for LD and Sund, then the context is set. The moves then make sense. Sy is a future product if ever, lacking basketball acumen but being a great athlete. Same for Bensen and even Rolle as they are future players if ever. So instead we now have a useless Stackhouse from a basketball skill perspective, but one that may be able to help our fragile minded Hawks. Remember gang, we lost many games last year by staggering margins, even to Bobcats, so the psyche of this team needs improving. In that context, keeping Stackhouse to help Hawks psyche, and to put all the chips down for this year, then moves make sense.
What does all this drama mean to Hawks? We still lack a seven foot center banger to relieve Lion from his center duties. But at least, we have a tough guy in Ivan Johnson, so Hawks are close to where they need to be. Just need a seven footer to bang around.
I read Greg Ostertag is trying to make a return to the NBA
Saw that he and Ricky Davis are going to be playing in the D League trying to make a return to the association. I haven’t heard the name Greg Ostertag since Kansas 1994.
Ricky Davis used to be buckets, too bad he was crazy
Used to be buckets, or smoked too many buckets?
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Stackhouse
I have read some of the quotes from Stack and I have to like him for his leadership and his knowledge of this team. I am hoping he will vocalize some of the things we have been bitching about for years.
Sloan and Johnson impressed me in the preseason and I can’t complain about getting Willie Green.
At least our bench is comprised of a bunch of guys who I have heard of unlike in years past.
The Hawks have absolutely no depth at the 2-4 positions
Josh Smith, with his slimming over the offseason, no longer has the body of a PF, so I think we needed to keep Benson around, instead cutting Johnson who has an incredibly low ceiling. The Hawks are going to have to rely on the starters to play impressively if the team is going to make an impact on the standings.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Dec 24, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions
Marvin Williams bulked up to 245
I think he and Smith will trade assignments more often than not.
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by Real 2K Insider on Dec 24, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
It is just dumb to waive Sy and Benson
If the alternatives are Willie “Long Two’s” Green and Jerry Stackhouse. And on top of this Willie Green contract is guaranteed. Hes not even going to play when Heinrich gets back. Its an overreaction to Jeff Teague injuring his ankle that might have cost the Hawks potentially two rotation players for the cheap
Not for nothing but I’m sure the coaching staff (as bad as they might be) are qualified enough to see that these guys were extremely unlikely to be rotation players. They are not the first 2nd round picks in league history to get cut w/o getting burn.
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by Real 2K Insider on Dec 24, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are we talking about the same coaching staff?
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Usually those second rounders are drafted by teams with great depth
or at least average.Our depth is no that great unless McGrady can still make some shots. We have one of the worse benches in the league until Hinrich comes back. We need back up caliber guards and I hope Sloan and Pargo can play well.
I'm just saying
This is the same coaching staff that didn’t think Teague could play at all, so much that they traded several assets to acquire Kirk Hinrich, but then realized Teague was a player only after he was forced into starting. I don’t know if they’re actually qualified to tell us who is worth keeping around and who isn’t. For all i know, their decision making paradigm is “Well, these guys were good enough to play for other teams at times in the past, so they seem like safer choices.” Ignoring that one of them is like 38 years old.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Yea, I am not a fan of Drew
We needed to hire a real coach but he will be fired this year, or hsould be, if we dont get out of the first round. You’re supposed to improve and I can’t see this team improving with him as a coach.
I pray this was sarcasm
This Team started Mike Bibby…
I'm done with the Acie Laws of the world
I’m glad to see the organization actually admit they have made a mistake and cut their loses early, rather than string us along with two players who will wither on the vine and never see legit court time.
This shortened season and hellacious schedule
Will be the challenge for every team in the league.Teams that still will require several games to gain chemistry.To players who are still not in playing shape.Lastly injuries unlike anyother season may be the end of a team,if they arenot careful.I like the choices made for this roster.A good blend of old and new.Some savvy veterans that know what to do to close games.Last season in the games we lost.Many were lost in the 4th to quarter.Due to being cold at the free throw line.Bad choice shots from the field.No defensive rebounds and mental toughness.I think they have addressed each one of those problems with this roster.
He is one of the weirdest players to watch
He has the reputation of a knock down shooter but every time I watched him play, he missed all of his threes.
except against the hawks
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Only makes sense if cutting Pargo
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by Real 2K Insider on Dec 24, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
As a Hawks fan
I feel like this is the last year of mediocrity. We are either going to play much better with Teague developing into a very good PG, or we are going to barely make the playoffs or be left out entirely. We are going to get a fairly decent draft position this year hopefully and I would love to see us take a Zeller brother. Also, if we don’t make it past the second round this year, it will be time to break up the “core” and clear cap space.
Decent Moves
I really don’t get how people can say"hawks will either be left out or"limp into the playoffs"…We will be fine as a 4 or 5 seed…Imho having a short season benefits us because of our"core"
…JJ should be healthy, teague and others should be solid….I think the cuts were appropriate btw(first time poster long time viewer)
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by I am usually right except when... on Dec 24, 2011 9:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hate the Sy move
why are we waiving drafts picks? should have traded them for cash or future picks if thats what we were doing with it. Sy looked capable of backing up at the pg and giving us a difficult match up for other pg’s. all the guards are not needed hope Sy comes back
we wouldnt have gotten anything for them so we couldnt have traded them
But I would rather keep Sy than Stackhouse. There’s no point in drafting guys and cutting them immediately(Benson).
Can Sy, Benson, Wanamaker and Rolle be added to the Reno D-League team?
Do the players have to be contracted to the Hawks to suit up for the Bighorns?
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?

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