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2011 NBA Preview ESPN's Hollinger: Gee, I'm not feeling these Hawks (again)

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For the third straight season, things just don't look too good when it comes to the Atlanta Hawks through the eyes of one of Atlanta's own, ESPN's John Hollinger.

From his 2011-2012 Eastern Conference preseason predictions:

9. Atlanta Hawks (33-33)


The Hawks won 44 games and made the second round of the playoffs in 2010-11, but that's misleading. They gave up more points than they scored in the regular season, went 10-17 after the All-Star break, lost one of the top sixth men in free agency and didn't do much to replace him, and will be without Kirk Hinrich for nearly half the season.


Pressed face-first against the luxury tax thanks to the bad contracts they lavished on Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams, the Hawks were left to fill in around the edges with veteran retreads such as Tracy McGrady and Vladimir Radmanovic. These weren't bad pickups for the price, but they don't offset losing Crawford and Hinrich.


John is around the ATL enough to know where all the faults lie with the hometown Hawks. In his prediction, he offers some service to Jeff Teague playing more and the frontcourt of Al Horford and Josh Smith, but mostly laments the usual Hawk issues: lack of depth and lack of championship caliber roster.

More from Hollinger:

As a result, this is going to be a harder slog for the Hawks than they might think, especially with a schedule that does a short-benched team few favors. Unless they're blessed with outstanding health, they're in danger of falling out of the playoffs entirely. After three straight trips to the second round, that's going to be a jolt.

True, any sort of injury bug to anyone's starting five would understandably lower the team's level of play and, therefore, the number of wins one must acheive, but I think John is too well aware of the team's weaknesses and dismisses the team's strength as a regular season winner, and it's not the first time, as mentioned in the lead.

Let's take a quick look back through the last three season of Hollinger's prediction's about the team.

2008-2009:

The Hawks were coming off a sub-.500 season but their first playoff game since the lockout-shortened 1999 season. The seven game series against Boston was an alert that the Hawks were indeed relevant again, having given the soon-to-be-champs all they could handle in what was supposed to be a quick, eventless, sweep of a woebegone franchise.

Still, Hollinger was way less than impressed:

Outlook


Atlanta's starting five might be the best in the division, but its bench might not win the D-League. Triangulate between those two extremes and you end up with a team that's unlikely to repeat its playoff appearance of a year ago unless it enjoys an unusually good run of health, because the subs just aren't up to snuff.Additionally, it's naïve to think the tumult in the rest of the organization isn't going to have some effect on the floor. Woodson is back even though multiple players -- most notably Smith and Pachulia -- had issues with him a year ago, and he's working under a new general manager who may not have his back. Meanwhile, the ongoing lawsuit between the current ownership and renegade partner Steve Belkin is still dragging on with no end in sight.


Plus there's the issue of whether the organization can address in-season problems. While Sund almost has to be an improvement over his predecessor, particularly on draft day, the concern remains that Atlanta's ownership will prevent him from making aggressive moves if it involves taking on more salary.


Sum it all up, and it appears this club is ready to take a step in reverse. The Hawks look like they'll be stuck in the NBA's netherworld --- neither good enough to make the playoffs nor bad enough to get a high lottery pick -- and with little young talent in the pipeline beyond the current starting five, they could be in this pickle for a while.


Prediction: 31-51, fifth in Southeast Division, 13th in Eastern Conference

Save for being off by a whopping (16) games in the win column (47 to 31), (4) spots in the division (2nd to 5th), and (10) spots in the conference (4th to 13th), was there anything he said that wasn't true?

Not really, but in the end those things didn't matter as much as Johnson, Horford, Smith, Mike Bibby, and Marvin Williams making a solid starting five, even if the next three off the bench were Zaza Pachulia, Maurice Evans, and Ronald "Flip" Murray.

2009-2010:

After getting taken to (7) games by Dwyane Wade and the Heat and then getting wiped clean by the LeBron James-led Cleveland Cavaliers, the Hawks came into the season with some momentum, the same starting five (courtesy of the three re-signings of Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza), and the offseason theft of Jamal Crawford for the fabled magic bean combo of Speedy Claxton and Acie Law.

So, with such an embarrasing miss on the previous season's prediction on the Hawks, Hollinger surely saw the bench addition of Jamal (a key piece missing according to himself the previous season) and the obviously improved team and had an optimistic take on the home team.

Eh. Not quite.

Hawks filled out their roster after only going eight deep last season, but that's really all that changed. And they're no longer young enough to bank on internal improvement. Looks like another year atop the East's pretender heap.

Hollinger predicted 2nd place in the division (correct) and 4th in the conference (too low by one, Hawks finished 3rd). He also predicted (44) wins for the Hawks. Not so close. The Hawks finished with (53) wins, and predictive stats indicated they might've/should've had more, not less.

But was he wrong? No, he just once again discounted the value of the guys that were on the court the majority of the time (otherwise known as starters--and Crawford).

2010-2011:

So after two straight seasons, surely John was a regular season believer again, right?

Outlook

It's hard to be too dismissive of the Hawks' chances -- they won 53 games last year in an accredited basketball league -- but as I mentioned at the top, that seems to be the absolute ceiling of how far this team could go. Moreover, they did virtually nothing to change the mix in the offseason.

There might be some upgrades if you look hard enough. Under Drew, it's possible we'll see less Iso-Joe and better transition defense; while it's hard to see the offense improving from last year's heights, the defense offers plenty of room for improvement. Teague could move ahead of Bibby as the starting point guard and provide some relief, while Williams could also rebound from a disappointing 2009-10 campaign.

However, much larger tidal trends are pulling the Hawks the other way. Crawford had a Fluke Rule last year and is unlikely to repeat it, while Johnson is at an age where performance can slide suddenly. More importantly, the Hawks are virtually assured to have more injuries this time around. We know they won't have less, let's put it that way. And if and when they do happen, management won't have the dollars to throw around to fill holes.

As a result, the big picture remains the same: They'll easily make the playoffs but have no chance of participating in them for more than three weeks. If you sense a pattern here, there's a reason. The Hawks made the conference finals in their first year in Atlanta; since then they have made the second round of the playoffs 14 different times and lost all 14 of them, including sweeps the past two seasons. There's a decent chance they'll get No. 15 this year, and an even better one that they'll fall a round short this time. While it's unlikely they'll hit last year's ceiling, they'll remain in the same neighborhood as long as the frontcourt stays healthy.

Prediction: 46-36, 3rd in Southeast Division, 6th in Eastern Conference

Ok--now we're getting somewhere--(46) wins was actually two more than the Hawks pulled out. 3rd place in the Southeast was correct, and was only one place pessimistic with the Hawks actual 5th place finish.

The Hawks did make it through the first round because the Magic, who were the worst possible matchup the year before when they practically erased all relevance the Hawks had enjoyed for 2 seasons, were the absolute best matchup last year for the Hawks, with Jason Collins at center and the athletic Hawks running out on their three point shooters.

Now let's go back to this year, 2011-2012:

John doesn't say anything he hasn't seen for many seasons or isn't actually reflected on the Hawks' roster. But he doesn't mention that, while, yes, in a shortened season bench depth could come into play in a few games this season, the Hawks lost some decent time last year and nearly everyone short of Teague, Horford, and Marvin slipped in their production from a year before.

Josh Smith has lost weight and should be more healthy this season, as is Joe Johnson. In such a quick change season, the continuity that the Hawks enjoy and playoff caliber basketball that core has established can not and should not be washed away this season any more than in the previous seasons that John underestimates that value. If anything, that familiarity should help them early in the season as other teams adjust to changing rosters and starting lineups.

One should not confuse championship chances with playoff chances or regular season acumen. The Hawks are built well for the regular season and the spectrum of teams beyond the elite the Hawks struggle with so much in the second round of the playoffs.

Hollinger deploys an accurate take on a team he knows all too well, but that familiarity has betrayed him in the past, and I believe confuses the prediction on the present. He misses the positives the team gives in trying hard to make sure everyone understands the faults. The Hawks aren't title contenders, but they are better than a .500 team.

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I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern

by a hooter's baby on Dec 22, 2011 9:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

(Hand raised)

Had to read this three times to make sure it was a compliment—-still not quite sure, hoping it is, but thank you (if it is)!

(That’s a shot at me for being a Florida grad and not understanding English)

by Jason Walker on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

it is

great post, im glad you were able to put the previous statements up here. Now I can reference some of my friends to read this so they can actually believe me

"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus

"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague

by Throw on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t have ESPN Insider. Who are the 8 teams he picks to finish ahead of the Hawks so I can have a good laugh?

by redwards95 on Dec 22, 2011 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Hmmmm....

I believe it was:

Heat
Bulls
Magic
Knicks
Celtics
Sixers
Bucks
Pacers

Not necessarily in that order, but those are the teams

by Jason Walker on Dec 22, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

Bucks and pacers?

wtf???

"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus

"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague

by Throw on Dec 22, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

heck i believe were better than the celtics

"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus

"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague

by Throw on Dec 22, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

So do I, especially since they lost Jeff Green for the season. The Knicks look nice on paper, but i’m still not a believer in my opinion.

"Parfaits might be the most delicious thing on the whole damn planet"

by Anonymous HawksGuy on Dec 22, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

thumbs up

A+ piece! it’s one thing to come to terms with our lack of depth. its another to fudge stats to prove your point. i mean i guess they could be honest mistakes, but then again this is ESPN vs Peachtree Hoops. And you sir, get a tip of the hat!

follow up question: should we give joe johnson one more year to break out of his invisible box then amnesty him? i feel like one or two years of joe then amnesty would be the best way to miminize our loss on that, meanwhile we try to make as many smart trades as possible to put quality on our bench. your thoughts?

by Turb0 on Dec 22, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Amnesty on Joe

It’s the money still owed to him that’s a concern….I believe Joe will rebound slightly from last year, but ultimately they have to wipe the books clean before those last three, cap-killing years. He likely will be done by then and next year, not this one, will be the one that makes it obvious, IMO.

by Jason Walker on Dec 22, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the team is saving the amnesty

Until either

A) JJ goes too far into decline
or
B) Marvin comes off the books and the Hawks decide to rebuild with cap space

by axhfan on Dec 24, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we will make the playoffs, but

if there are significant injuries and/or we just aren’t playing well I am in more favor of not doing any panic trades unless it nets us a first round pick, but I would prefer to loose no players and use our lottery pick wisely in this draft.

by RealSquawk on Dec 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

Willie Green

man the hawks are grabbing all the mediocre everywhere

by Jonesy24 on Dec 22, 2011 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

...

10 points in 30 minutes. If you wanted scoring off the bench you go with athleticism.

Al Thornton? still unsigned.

* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins

Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}

by PointGuardSlim on Dec 23, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

One point that Hollinger should note, since he's actually close to the team

When he says they went 10-17 after the all-star break, he doesn’t even make a note that they literally stopped trying after their seeding was secure. They lost their last six games, and weren’t even pretending to care about winning those. They were closer to a 48 win team than a 44 win team.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Dec 22, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And he doesn't take into consideration that

this team pushed the Bulls to 6 games with little help from Jamal and Joe Johnson (except for GM 1). I just don’t see how this team falls off the board after losing a guy that was only good for scoring. He killed the team defensively and ruined the flow on offense. If he wasn’t making shots then he killed the team. The Hawks have added enough pieces on the bench to make up for the loss of one guy. This Hawks bench is deeper and better than any they’ve had since their playoff run started.

by BravesFanScout on Dec 22, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hirich's not on the team?

Was he released because of Amnesty reasons? I did not read it all. It was too much for me to take in. And you know what I don’t like about Hollinger. you have to pay to see what he has to see. What makes him so special that u need an ESPN Insider membership for? I bet that he says the same things as other guys say. For anybody who has an ESPNInsider membership, pls tell me the benefits of it?

by Jeffrey Thompson on Dec 22, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

Not to be that guy

but is there any news on the Teague injury?

"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus

"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague

by Throw on Dec 22, 2011 2:23 PM EST reply actions  

Meh

I figure they’ll be the fifth seed or something. I do enjoy people thumbing their noses at Hollinger, but he’s ultimately right about this team. It isn’t good enough to do anything worth anybody’s time. We cheer for the Hawks to make it to the conference semis. That’s it. Anything worse than that is hilarious and anything better only takes place in psychedelic dreams.

by Thrashy Thrashy on Dec 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

The NBA is about TRADES...

The NBA is about TRADES and not continuity. The HYPE of trades blinds these writers and teams so badly, that it SUSPENDS their COMMON SENSE.

Example: The Knicks just paid 15mil to an injury prone BIG, whose career average is
8pts and 9rebs a game…So now they are CONTENDERS…Really?. The COACH doesn’t believe in DEFENSE neither does his STARS and their bench is WORSE than the HAWKS. Didn’t they get SWEEP in the PLAYOFFS.

The Hawks bring back a CORE of players that are young(Average age 26) and have been togeter for 5 YEARS, but we are going fall off…

THIS ABOUT ASG… The Hawks do not win the conventional way(With a STAR), the OWNERSHIP is HATED and the Hawks are GOOD enough to BEAT any TEAM in the EAST….What writer(National) wants a Hawks FINALS.

THE TABLE OF PEOPLE EATING CROW, WOULD BE A MILE LONG.

by Rufus1 on Dec 22, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

the Atlanta hawks are best team on this planet

Thank you and goodnight

"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi

"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus

"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague

by Throw on Dec 22, 2011 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I only read the caps locked words... so this is what I got.

NBA trades hype suspends common sense. Big contenders coach defense stars worse Hawks. Sweep playoffs. Core 5 years. This about ASG, Ownership hated good beat team east finals. The table of people eating crow, would be a mile long.

It eerily makes a little sense.

Ron Artest = Ron (sm)Artest - He Is The Most Interesting Man In The World

by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 22, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

PLEASE PRINT Hollinger's COMMENTS FOR THE LOCKER ROOM

When the media slammed the Hawks chances in the 2011 playoffs the players went nuts. Remember the Orlando columnist’s ‘bird brains’ comments and Josh’s response?! This Hollinger material is perfect motivation. Print copies- give to Larry tonight! Go Hawks! Willie Greennnnnnnn

by Travis Mays on Dec 22, 2011 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

I understand or bench sucks but...

Whos bench doesn’t suck?

Are we supposed to look at the Miami bench and salivate? Or New York’s?

Other than the Bulls (and by fault of their starting 5, the Pacers), no team in the East has depth.

by axhfan on Dec 24, 2011 2:37 AM EST reply actions  

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