The Atlanta Hawks Open Preseason Play With 79-77 Loss In Charlotte
by Kris Willis on Dec 20, 2011 8:52 AM EST
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The Atlanta Hawks finally tipped off their 2011-2012 preseason schedule Monday night with a 79-77 loss to the Charlotte Bobcats at Time-Warner Arena. Essentially Larry Drew used this game as an open audition for the camp invitees who are all battling it out for one of the final roster spots. Every Hawks player besides Kirk Hinrich and Jason Collins played at least 11:46 in this game. Also consider that no one played more than Marvin Williams' 21:07. I am sure that Atlanta would like to have won the game but that was not the ultimate goal here.
Here are a few random observations about the players that we know will be a part of the Hawks going forward.
- The new slimmed down version of Josh Smith looked much quicker and even more explosive. He is going to cause a lot of problems for opposing defenders but I am still not completely sold on how he is going to defend the bigger power forwards. in the league. Smith finished 5-12 for 11 points and seven rebounds.
- Joe Johnson also appeared to be in great shape and looked slightly slimmer according to my eye test. Johnson finished 3-7 for six points but also had four rebounds and five assists including a nifty no-look pass to Josh Smith for a dunk on the Hawks first score.
- Tracy McGrady never really looked into the game much going 0-2 in just under 12 minutes of action. I guess when you have been in the league as long as he has it is hard to get excited for a preseason game.
- Zaza Pachulia didn't shoot the ball well going 2-7 but finished with eight points and six rebounds while going 4-4 from the free throw line. Pachulia was wearing a protective sleeve on his lower leg. Remember he suffered the lower leg injury while playing for Turkey this summer.
- Not sure if it means anything but Donald Sloan got the first crack at the point guard position replacing Teague late in the first quarter. Sloan finished 1-6 for three points with three assists and only one turnover. He struggled early keeping D.J. Augustin in front of him but seemed to settle down and did better as the game went along. I thought he did a pretty good job getting the Hawks into their sets.
- Brad Wanamaker also got point guard minutes finishing with three points and two turnovers. I am not sure that either he nor Sloan did enough to impress especially with the news that the Hawks have signed Jannero Pargo to a free agent contract.
- Jerry Stackhouse still looks the part but struggled going 0-3 from the field for two points.
- Of all the newcomers, I thought Ivan Johnson probably played the best. He played 17 minutes scoring four points and grabbing seven rebounds. He is my sentimental favorite after watching him play in the D-League last season but is more of a combo small forward/power forward. I don't see him sticking with the club.
- Keith Benson and Pape Sy gave about what I expected. Sy showed off his athleticism but struggled at times with his decision making. He had a nice chase down block late in the game but his jump shot is still a work in progress. Benson blocked three shots with his time on the floor.
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I agree on Ivan Johnson - Good observation
He was energetic, rebounding, fighting, doing all the dirty work we need. That is the kind of player Hawks need. Keep him instead of Stack. And only one of Bensen and Rolle. I want to see more of him on Thursday.
This morning I am down. Hawks are very very thin. It will be a struggle scoring.
Would we make the playoffs? I am on record as saying yes, but only as a seven or eight seed. Marvin’s stats look good, the reality was not much different than past.
Teague will be ok scoring. I still have doubts about how good he will pass the ball. We shall see. But he certainly is an NBA point guard caliber.
One injury to any of our top three players, and Hawks may become a lottery team. Very difficult season ahead. I am afraid, the year may show more than anything, this team has peaked and indeed needs to be rebuilt
I wouldnt be so pessimistic
When Hinrich comes back, hes only projected to be out a month, we will seem like a much better team. With Hinrich, McGrady, Pachulia, and Collins, we have some decent backups and I don’t expect guys like Teague and Smith to stay off the court very long. With less depth, the starters will play a little more. That may be bad later in the year with this schedule but I am not worried about the wins amount unless someone gets injured. I still see a fourth or fifth seed for us. There are some very good up and coming teams in the East, but I don’t believe they can keep it together all year long.
I don't think there is room for Johnson
With the Pargo rumor out there and the cap situation I don’t see how this team goes above 14 players on the roster. Maybe even 13 and that is counting Hinrich. They are going to have to be creative the entire season.
@Kris_Willis
Yeah...
Assuming we stay healthy, we’re a dangerous team.
I don’t like our bench, but we don’t have the cash to have depth anymore.
/seesdeadhorseandbeatsitmercilessly
GATA!
@Mr. Willis and others
I did not like what I saw from Josh Smith. 5 for 12 in limited minutes.
Or that Marvin William kept feeding him the ball.
Ideally how would you want the team to share the offense/finish plays in terms of usage%?
Usage % = amount of shot attempts and turnovers (possessions used by a player).
Jeff. % Usage
Joe. % Usage
Smith. % Usage
Marvin. % Usage
Horford. % Usage
==
Here’s how last year’s team usage%. What I see is key core members deferring to Josh Smith and Joe Johnson.
I don’t think Teague’s usage % can be helped, its comparable to Ty Lawson and a few of the young PGs.
And Joe’s getting up there in age so I’d keep his Usage the same instead of revert to Woody days. But it looks like we are going to rely on Joe in the manner of Pre Jamal days.
Jeff. 20% Usage
Joe. 26% Usage – 46% total
Smith. % Usage
Marvin. % Usage
Horford. % Usage
how would you split the rest of the offense? 18% each? I don’t think this equal opportunity offense will work or that we can exploit anybody with Marvin or anyone on the bench starting. Or that milking Horford’s jumper will leads to win.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
Fantasy, sigh
Usage % = amount of shot attempts and turnovers (possessions used by a player)
Joe.26% Usage
Jeff. 20% Usage
Smith. 20% Usage**
Leuer. 20% Usage
Bogut. 14% Usage**
*Smith would be relegated to offensive boards, dump offs where he can dunk. and Set PnR plays ie where the PG we Stack Joe and a roller on top of each other and Joe curls and hits the roller.
*Maybe this is lowball for Bogut if we feed him in iso. But he would be getting the same things as Smith. Dump offs and offensive boards when we try for 3.
That is a very balanced team.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
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by Duff_Man on Dec 20, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess a week's worth of practice is supposed to give us some insight?
Wow I can’t believe people are being so pessimistic already. I think across the board we match up with anybody in the league and as long as we figure out th wing 3 point shooters we’re ok. Chemistry is yet to be seen with only a week to prepare so I still have to see more.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Realism vs. Pessimisn
Let’s look at teams ahead of us, according to ATLpaul, and how they have upgraded:
1. Heat in East. No doubt about their ranking, added Battier, They already have number 1 player and best shooting guard in league.
2. Cows in East. No doubt about their ranking, already too deep, they lost couple players and added some in draft, their core is too good, too deep, no change. Losing Thomas can hurt them some
3. NY. Yes I am ranking them ahead of Celtics. Amare, Carmelo, Chandler too tough, three all stars. And , Shumpert is an stallion
4. Celtics. Branden Bass an upgrade to Big Baby. losing Green and Perkins/Kristic hurts them., But they got promising rookie JeJuan Johnson. Watch out for him. And they got Rondo, big three
5. Sixers, very deep team, very well coached. Very athletic. The new Hawks
6. Pacers, the surprise team of East. David West, Paul George, Granger, Hibbert, George Hill, Collison, deep deep team
7-8 (Hawks, Wizards, Deer, Orlando) those four teams will be fighting tooth and nail. It is open to debate what happens to Orlando if Howard decides to leave. Wizards will be tough (Javal McGee, Wall, Young, JC2, Turiaf)
So you see me friend, while we lost Jamal, and Captain Kirk is out till perhaps end of Feb, we have our hands full as teams 1-6 have upgraded. I am willing to go on a limb and say we are going to be fighting tooth and nail for positions 7 and 8 in East.
Very flawed
The Celtics are getting over the hill just as the hawks are climbing the hill. i think right now we have passed the Celtics.
NY has no backcourt and no D.
The Hawks will finish 3rd in the East.
+1 Team sport..
The NBA is still at TEAM SPORT. The Hawks are still a very good team, with EXPERIENCE!
The Defense will be better with Teague at the point and that will change our entire team. We also had 10 BLOCKS last knight…When have we ever been able to say that? This is now a defensive team and we will be better.
I gladly eat my words and hope to be proven wrong
But tell me Rufus1, how do you replace 20-30 points (Jamal and Captain Kirk) scoring? Can we beat Orlandos or teams like that without that? Do you think Rad and T-Mac can bring that level of scoring back?
NBA is a scorer’s league first. The scoring is taken for granted. Once you score, the difference maker is defense. See NY can’t win without Chandler and Shumbert, even though they had great scoring with Amare and Melo. Once you add Chandler and the Stallion Shumbert, now you have a winning formulae.
We may be a good defensive team, frankly i doubt with no anchor in center, still, we are better defensively now, but we can’t score, with JJ the only effective scorer. How do we score vs. knicks and Pacers when they double JJ????
We still have Kirk...
and Teague will easily average what Jamal averaged last season (14.2 ppg) and he will provide better defense. Now question is can T-Mac and Rad replace Teague’s 5.2 ppg.
JJ does have help scoring. Unlike Jamal, Teague can get to the basket regularly. Teague will create more opportunities closer to the basket for himself, Al, Smoove, and Marv. I am definite Al will score more. Smoove can put up 17-18ppg himself.
With a starting five that will regularly be in double digit scoring, scoring won’t be as much a problem as you may think. The difference will be if the Hawks can stop those high-scoring teams on the other end.
by jdewayneatl on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think Lion or Smoove will score more???
Has Lion added an inside move????
Has Smoove jumper gotten better for 15-20 feet? What were your thoughts after seeing him in action in one pre-season game???
Does Teague distribute the ball like a pure point guard, so as to get the ball to Lion and Smoove in the right place? Is Teague too fast??? I think Teague will get it in time, but will take a year of being a full time NBA point guard, to understand you have to slow down some, and distribute the ball. I have not seen that in him yet. He has one speed. Light speed-Warp speed, but even speedy bigs like Smoove and Lion and Marvin can’t catch up with that.
Admittingly I haven't ready any of the arguments
but I too think they will score more simply by subtracting Jamal. More touches = more points
@Kris_Willis
Defense wins championships
Kirk wasn’t that much of a scorer to begin with and would we really have any more depth with Jamal commanding the money he’s due?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Defense wins, are Hawks a good defensive team????
Can they rebound?? Surely you are not saying that MArvin and JJ rebound with the best of them at their respective positions? What if Collins starts, does he rebound? Zaza rebounds. But Zaza is not starter material. You need him to bang on the backups and help your second team. He is the best rebounder we have.
Yes we have better perimeter defense with Teague, and Captain Kirk (back in Feb). But who is intimidating in the center outside of Smoove? Who is blocking and rebounding to let your fast team run?
Still, even a Pistons team (a great defensive team), with a anchor in middle in B. Wallace, and great perimeter D in T-Prince, had Hamilton at his height, a still superb R. Wallace and T-Prince could score.
Now if you get Dalembert, I could be convinced we are a good defensive team. Till then, we are pretenders, not contenders for good defensive team of the year.
That is why I liked what I saw in Ivan JOhnson. He seems to want to get dirty. But LD’s offense is everything mentality, will keep him away from a spot on the team.
And look I am not even talking about LD’s motion offense is everything mentality yet. I stop….
bass better than glen davis?
thats debatable
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
He did give Al a bit of trouble in the 1st round last year
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
kurt thomas and asik gave al trouble in the playoffs
but we wont say they are good, I think al was just off during the playoffs in general
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
No wrong thinking my young friend, Lion was not just off
You have to see the trends with Lion, and why some of us are afraid as he keeps relying on that sweet jumper of his.
Good coaches know the book on Lion. I won’t reveal it yet, but suffice it to say, if his offensive weapon is a jump shot where he can’t get off the ground, and no inside move, you can shut him down. It was not just a bad series. It takes good coaching and … Like I said, I won’t reveal it, but let’s hope he has added an inside move.
The reason I was against him taking part in meaningless games for his Island country, is because it does nothing for his game. Instead of improving and going to big man camp, he plays vs. KY college kids, and many games for Dominican Republic. He will pay a price for that. With Chandler in East, Howard still in East, Bogat and Noah back to health, I think you won’t see him back in ASG
Is this what you really think.
The Hawks will definitely be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East. The Cows (as you refer to them) will definitely meet stiffer competition on a nightly basis. No one in their right mind would have predicted D. Rose to be the MVP or that he would lead the bulls to 62 wins and the best record in the league in just his 3rd year. They took the league by surprise and ran with it. They won’t be taking anyone by surprise this year and they won’t be as successful. Ask the Boston Celtics in the 2nd year of the “Big Three”.
And yeah, they will definitely not hold up through such a grueling schedule to finish high in the seedings this season.
I believe the Knicks will be good but the Hawks backcourt will be the difference (especially when Hinrich is back in the lineup). The Heat have brought back the same team from last year except for the additions of Haslem and Battier but they are still hoping for more from the 1 and 5 spots.
The Sixers and the Pacers are good teams but will be the best of the bottom half of the playoff contenders this season.
by jdewayneatl on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Listen to think we are in any way form or shape better than Cows is just dreaming
MVP Rose, is the real thing. That team is deep. Deep at every position. While our first five can compete, as soon as you bring in the bench, you lose to them. The only team deeper may be thunder, but i am not even sure about that. Chicago will not take a step back. Will Rose be the MVP again, I doubt it, but the team is too tough. Remember they had some serious injuries to Noah and Boozer last year. And I have not even talked about their coaching yet!!!!!!!
I watched pre-season NY team (one game only). But I am a firm believer Shumpert is a steal for them. With their sold out arenas, and three all stars, that team will be tough.
Listen, please don’t say we have as much talent as Heat. That is just your passion for Hawks speaking. That is not even close from a talent perspective. Lebron is the best in the world. D-Wade is the best SG in the league. You add to that Bosh, Battier, Haslem, Chalmers, and that team 1-7 is tough.
We shall see about Pacers and Sixers. All I know, is those teams are deep. Our starting five is better, but what after that???? Pacers will have integration issues for some time, but keep your eyes on that team, a lot of good players on them.
I am glad that you recognize my passion for this team.
But that is not the deciding factor in my belief of where the Hawks stack up against the rest of the East. I can admit that the Bulls are a good team and when a team has the reigning MVP as your leader, that team is always a factor. But what you have to realize is that every team in the league and especially the East will have the date with the Bulls circled on the calender. The East is not the same conference as it was a few years ago. From top to bottom there are tough teams in the East. I pick the Heat, Chicago, and Atlanta to be in the top 3. After that New York, Boston, Dwight (Orlando/NJ) will be battling. Philly and Indiana will be tough. But the bottom half of the east is better with Milwaukee, Toronto, Dwightless (Orlando/NJ), and Washington will all be able to get some big wins.
So to think that the Bulls are gonna run through teams the same as last year is dreaming. Teams will adjust to Rose the same way they adjusted to play Dwight, Lebron in Cleveland, D-Wade before Lebron and Bosh, and the Big 3 in Boston.
But I can’t believe that you would say that Miami’s top 7 is better than the Hawks top 7. Considering that Miami’s top 7 includes Chalmers and Joel Anthony as starters, their top 7 is already flawed. And Bosh would be the 3rd or 4th best player on the Hawks behind Joe, Al, and/or Josh.
NY doesn’t have all the pieces yet. Shumpert may be a steal but no way does he make a big difference this year. They don’t have a PG that will be able to sufficiently facilitate in Mike D’s system.
really?
there is way more talent on the hawks bench than last year. Jamal does not make an equally deeper team without the guys we have now.
The Heat still have front court issues and bench scoring issues, So Chicago has found their second scorer in Rip Hamilton?, New York still hasn’t shown me anything yet, the celtics are old and won’t last in this compacted season, the sixers have always been inconsistent, and the pacers aren’t a surprise because they match up well with a lot of teams.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
new yorks pg's are barron davis and mike bibby
that is all im gonna say
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Point Guard is indeed their weak point
Tony Douglas is their starter. And I am of the belief that Baron Davis, when he wants, can still play. Not so much Bibby.
I don’t think you can simply dismiss NY now, because they indeed have tremendous firepower in Amare and Melo, and defense in Chandler and Shumpert. That is a lot of talent on that team.
How do you say Hawks bench have more talent?
Are you looking at it from perspective of big names (Stackhouse, t-mac, Rad????)
If so, those players are at end of their career. IMO, I would not give Stackhouse a contract. Rad is purely a long distance shooter (not a bad thing), and T-Mac, we have to wait and see.
If you think Rad+T-Mac+Stackhouse=Jamal, then I ask how come Jamal gets a contract for 5M for two years, and those three together don’t make half that per year??? All I am saying is, if you let Jamal walk, then add pieces of value to replace him.
Current Hawks bench=Big Zero. We could upgrade by getting a big man, perhaps Dalembert if ASG has any guts, and then move Marvin to bench. But as is, Big Collins, Bensen, Rolle, are not NBA prime time ready. After Zaza your big man depth is zero. And you already know our point guard situation after Teague while Captain Kirk is out.
Hey I want to be optimistic, but the condensed season, and the fact everyone around us upgrades while we go for BOTTOM OF THE PILE LEFTOVER players who have either seen their best days in past, or are undrafted for reason, leaves little room for optimism.
The big man situation is dealt with
one….because Magnum Rolle and Keith Benson have yet to prove themselves. The young talent we have have yet to prove themselves, so what’s wrong with having some veterans who have already proven themselves around the young guys? They’re trying to make up for trading away Jordan Crawford (whom people should’ve been crying over instead of Jamal) and this is what you get. Jamal is talented…but giving 5 million or more to a one-dimensional player, 31 year old player to go over the lux tax line is something we all have to get over.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Kirk Hinrich actually replaces Jamal's role on the team
As the first guard off the bench. When he’s healthy anyway.
And yes, I expect him to be at least as good as Jamal. He’s shot a hither % from three in his career, he passes the ball around better, and he plays better defense. He’s not the shot creator that Jamal is, and doesn’t get to the line nearly as much, but it balances out.
Then we’re just using McGrady and Radmanovic to replace guys like Damien Wilkins, Mo Evans, and Josh Powell…which is a ridiculously easy task for them.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
When is Kirk back???
What do you do in the meantime???
Are you talking theories??? Because we have no idea when he be back, how rusty. In theory, you may not get production, good typical production, until March. What happens till then?
So your whole argument is based on getting Kirk back soon. Otherwise, that bench is not even the same.
Also you forget, Jamal is a better scorer than Kirk. I am not saying he is a better player. I am saying he is a better scorer. He scores in bunches. wins your several games a year. Assuming coach knew how to use him, he is a potent weapon.
Josh Powell and Rad are pretty much the same player. You are kidding yourself if you think you are getting more from Rad at this stage of his career.
Wilkins and Mo vs. T-Mac? hmmm, i am on the fence on that.
But again, no Jamal, means your bench scoring will suffer.
Jamal misses in bunches too
Like I said we haven’t seen anything to make snap judgements about this teams depth. What…one preseason with one week to prepare??? Are you serious?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
The bench part, yes, I am serious
Our bench is seriously lacking.
Let me compare to Falcons for a second.
What if we stood still, did not go after a defensive end (Edwards), had no first round picks (we drafted a blue chipper in Julio) and everyone around us got draft picks or traded for blue chippers?
What do you think? Do you get nervous?
That is what we are doing with Hawks. Stackhouse at 40? T-Mac? Rad? I am supposed to believe those will add value???
And for the sake of argument, let’s say Falcons added to their bench by going after Keith Brooking on D, and an over the hill TO on offense and some others you never heard of? Would you get nervous then???
So is giving the perception that the moves you make better than actually winning.
I hate to go against my Falcons but they are no more better than the Hawks, no matter what personnel moves you like. The only thing we get nervous about with this particular Falcons team is that they just might not screw this one up this time.
Well it is difficult to compare teams in different sports
Are Hawks more successful in NBA than Falcons in NFL?
You can argue on both sides based on record.
Hawks have made it to second round of playoffs twice. So that in itself means we are one of top 8, consistently for 3 years.
Falcons, have made it to playoffs, twice in 3 years. Lost in first round both. Last year we had a bye, so really that was the second round.
But a little more in depth analysis tells one much fewer teams qualify for playoffs in NFL each year. So by just being in playoffs, you are already more elite in NFL than you are in NBA.
Then last year, Falcons were best in NFC. When was last time Hawks won the East? Answer: Never. And I am talking just regular season.
But let’s take records out of the equation for a second.
There is no doubt, Mr Blank, Thomas Demitrioff, The greatest coach in NFL – Mike Smith, and Matty Ice, are a tremendous combo. Perception, I believe the truth, Falcons are a well run machine.
And every year, since the new regime of mentioned leadership and QB, we have added pieces. No I am not blind to fact that we don’t have Brees or Aaron Rodgers here. But still, every year, Falcons add something, in the marketplace or draft and take chances. And I take a competent QB like Matty Ice that gives you a chance any day in NFL.
That my friend, taking chances and going for it, is what a team needs to do to get to the promised land.
Back to Hawks, there is no way, we can get past second round with existing players, minus a serviceable big man defensive anchor. Three years we stay constant and hear nonsense from ASG about our elite status. Sund is one of the worst GMs, if not the worst, in NBA. He has given away two draft picks (first rounders). It is very difficult to stay good if you give up your first rounders. We can only hope, for a wholesale change starting at ownership level (where are you pizza man???). Till then, I am pretty convinced unless I see a drastic change, we are now on the slippery slope of Hawks level of play based on existing talent. And I am convinced, Falcons and their beautiful man Blank, have a bright bright future.
The starters looked great in my opinion!
The ball movement was excellent. I think with a year under the belt in Drew’s offensive system, the Hawks will look completely different than the team that allowed Joe and Jamal to go one-on-one the whole game. I also see great potential in the defense. There are no liabilities on the floor withe the starting unit. They are long, athletic, and with Teague’s ball pressure at the top, this team will create a lot from the defensive end of the court.
Benson has the potential to make an impact similar to Tyson Chandler and Marcus Camby. He has a mid-range jumper similar to Camby and can be a threat offensively in the pick-and-pop game more so than the pick-and-lob game of Chandler. Once he learns positioning and gets stronger in the paint, he will be a good defensive stopper and good rebounder. It may not be this year but coming soon to a Highlight Factory near you. 10ppg,8rpg, 3bpg.
And adds some muscle to his frame
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
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