Instant Reaction: Bobcats 79, Hawks 77
by Jason Walker on Dec 19, 2011 9:25 PM EST
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First Take: Roster Scrapping---Who Ya Got?!
Oh, did you care about the game and the score? Sorry. Not here. The roster battles were a lot more fun to monitor than whose second 5 could play against whose third 5.
The Box Score:
Note the minutes played before any kind of hand wringing over the final score, etc. Charlotte, who is working some new roles and lineups, needed to run their guys out there a bit longer...almost 10 minutes per player longer.
Meanwhile, the Hawks were working on some roster battles and rotational combinations, meaning the bottom third of roster got considerably more attention than the top third.
Good and Bad:
The Starters looked good---Al, Joe, Josh, Marvin, and the most awaited player of the season for the ATL, PG Jeff Teague. Teague looked at ease shredding the Bobcats on his way to the hoop. That he finished well is an improvement from last year....next stop: dishing off the penetration.
All the starters showed their usual individual good and bads out there: Al was good from the field, but may have strayed outside a little much, Joe was steady and provided across the board production, but continued to oddly miss open threes. Marvin rebounded well, but it was usually his own misses and Josh......well, Josh was Josh, showing off his hops (and his new, 25 pounds off, look) to get 7 rebounds and 2 blocks, but also unleashed some very questionable shots under pressure and sometimes under no pressure.
As for the rest of the team, Pape Sy looked good in the first and not so much in the second. Neither Donald Sloan and Brad Wannamaker showed enough to visualize either of them playing a rotational role with the club. Vets Tracy McGrady barely played, and couldn't tell when he did, and Jerry Stackhouse missed everything but a pair of free throws.
The battle among the bigs involved Ivan Johnson, Magnum Rolle, and second rounder Keith Benson. And to those who may wonder which way I lean after a single preseason game, let the record show that Benson was +7 and had (3) blocked shots in his (13) minutes while Rolle and Johnson combined for -4 and a single block.
Final Thoughts:
Not bad for a first game...the Hawks have a strong starting 5, this we know, and the battle for the roster spots and rotation should be an interesting follow through the next (and last) preseason game in Atlanta on Thursday (730pm EST).
Exit Question:
What say you? Hit the comments area and let us know!
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Well backup point guard position is wide open and scary
Wannamaker, sorry need to cut him, hate to say that.
Pape Sy, he is no point guard, but keep him, he seems to be able to jump, i haven’t seen much else
Sloan, i am undecided, best of three, but can we have other options
Tough battle for backup big man, Bensen did ok, and Magnum still sounds cool
I missed Jamal
Jannero Pargo is our new temporary back up. Sloan, Wannamaker, and Ivan Johnson should get cut tomorrow.
by jdewayneatl on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
I-Jon, definitely gone.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Ivan Johnson was actually ok
I thought after a shaky start, he was energetic. He fighting for loose balls. He was rebounding. He has seven rebounds. Were you watching the same game?
I would actually keep him around for the next game.
I would let Wannamker go. And Stack.
I will repeat, keep Ivan Johnson till Thursday and give hime another look
Pape Sy!!!
in order of Young Guns
1. Pape Sy
2. Kieth “Kito” Benson
3. Magnum Rolle
4. Donald Sloan
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5. Brad Wannamaker
6. I. Johnson
I think Wannamaker could make the team next year if he can work in the D-League
Sloan seems ready and could be a 2nd string PG next year if we can’t keep Hinrich (we can’t)
Sy looks so much more in control. his and1 in the second quarter was great.
Benson reminds me of a young Keon Clark which is ok for a late second rounder.
Rolle needs to cut down on the fouls but looks like a decent pick and pop PF (much better than j.powell)
all in all a good haul of young players by Sund. if he can keep four of them and ween himself on the vets we could be on to something.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 19, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully one of those young guards makes the team
They seem okay, but not great-but youth and energy might be worth a lot in this compacted season.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Needed better jumpshooting tonight
T-Mac, Vlad-Rad didn’t make jumpshots tonight. Pape Sy, Donald Sloan also took a lot of jumpers and had a lot of misses. JJ wasn’t even knocking down his jumpers, Josh Smith took, guess what, too many jumpshots. Guys either need to get to the basket more, or really work on their shot forms.
Ivan Johnson looked a bit better than my first impression, but Benson looks better. Heck, almost impressive, even. Benson should make the team. Need to see more of Rolle-he looked okay, but I want to see a bit more activity out of him.
Marvin Williams actually looked pretty good. Jeff Teague looks like a stud. Horford’s offensive game is solid, where was the rebounding? Zaza is still active. JJ didn’t have his best night, but he’ll be ready to go when the season starts. Josh Smith is….Josh. Good effort tonight, really, just too many stupid shots that he consequently missed.
What the heck is up with L&O SVU? Got an episode on in the background, and I swear, people are ALWAYS being shot inside the police station, inside the courthouse, and on the courthouse steps. The third is somewhat more understandable, but seriously-Metal detectors anywhere? I’m alarmed at how easy it is for someone to get a gun inside of a police station on this show.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I was most impressed by Marvin and Tea bag. More excited about this season than I thought I’d be a few weeks ago…
I feel like SWAT right now..Colin Farrell GET AT ME! GET AT ME! LL Cool J GET AT ME!
by bwellnjonesco on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
did mcGrady play?
i barely saw him
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Played about 12 minutes
Missed both of his shot attempts, didn’t get fouled, didn’t really do anything positive at all.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Apparently we signed Jannero Pargo, link below
-This might make the Sloan/Wanamaker/Sy debate moot. Other than that Stackhouse needs to be DNP’d for the entire season. He looked old and washed up.
-Sy showed freakish athleticism but little else, might be good to have him stay in the D League.
-Kito impressed me with 3 blocks, can’t do worse than Etan Thomas/Hilton Armstrong.
-Backing up PF with Radmanovic and Rolle doesn’t seem like a terrible idea.
-All in all, this game is only gonna make me wait nervously for Hinrich’s return
"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2011/12/19/atlanta-hawks-at-bobcats-game-thread/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks
"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White
Stakchouse has a non-guaranteed deal
Doubt he makes the team.
With Pargo, yeah, I doubt Sloan or Wanamaker makes this roster. I can see Sy making a contribution to this team. Good energy when he’s on the floor, good quickness and aggression. I think in a compressed season, we’ll really appreciate speed, quickness, and youth.
I also liked Benson. Perhaps he stay out of the D-League. I want to see more out of Rolle-too bad the Hawks won’t be on tv Thursday.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Something infecting about this pargo singing Bronn
by hawksdawgs on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just hope I can survive the season with an inflamed Pargo
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
We can use Twin to only line up against Dwight, and Benson to only line up against JaVale McGee.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
expected as much from only a week of practice
rough is how it’s going to be in the beginning because of the lockout and new pieces. On to the next one
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I hadn't seen photos before today, but Brad Nanamaker and Donald Sloan are two of the whitest names I've ever heard.
That shatters my entire universe.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Don't overlook Drew's coaching job.
He did a great job of distributing minutes and working different combinations. In one preseason game after a lockout, Drew handled the roster better than Woody did in 6 years!
The play he called to set up a game-winning shot was well designed
If we had had an actual shooter on the floor, I bet that goes. If JJ had been in and done as good a job using those screens, that floats in. Instead, it’s Donald Sloan, and it’s an airball. And…I think it was Ivan Johnson who lacked the awareness to realize he might have been able to get a put-back if he’d gone quickly. Rebounded landed right in his hands, and didn’t go back up until too late.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I didn't see the play,
but from what I’ve heard from people’s accounts I’d like to have Nanamaker stick and learn more from Hinrich. It’s rare to see a pass first PG nowadays.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Wanamaker, you mean
Nanamaker is…well, it seems like a cool, derivative nickname, maybe?
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Yeah, that's right
I think I had Joe Dirt stuck in my head whenever I saw his name on the game thread.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
USAGE % Offense?
What% out of 100%
According to shot creating ability what % would you give to each starter?
USAGE %
Joe -25%
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 19, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions
Pape Sy was good
good athlete and made some great plays in the first half, im gonna cut him slack for the second half because well nobody on either team played well in the fourth quarter…
Also Jerry Stackhouse is done
quite frankly he shouldn’t have even been out there over anybody. He just doesnt have the legs anymore
Pape Sy
had an incredible fourth quarter run-down block…. Prooooobably a foul during the regular season, but it looked good!!!
Joe is a Beast
Al is a Beast
Smoove is a MONSTER!
by Garrison Hayes on Dec 19, 2011 10:41 PM EST reply actions
Tracy McGrady-G , Jerry Stackhouse G-F and Kris Benson C-F Ivan Johnson PF Should Improve the team........
Look at these two NBA stars Career stats so far….Tracy McGrady G 18,108 Points, 5122 Rebounds, 4051 Assists , 1120 Steals, 792 Blocks,in 2002-2003 he had 32.1 PPG. Also Jerry Stackhouse G-F 16,119 Points, 3011 Rebounds ,3192 Assists, 852 Steals,430 Blocks,He scored 29.8 PPG in 2000- 2001 for Detroit. Kris Benson Looks unbelievable, and Ivan Johnson looks like an awesome PF. Magnum Rolle looked good as well. The Atlanta Hawks Starters They made the Playoffs last year, and although losing a Jamaal
Crawford is tough they should be possibly better this year. As well as our Bench. But a lot of new faces and not enough spots on roster.
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