NBA Free Agency 2011: Knicks Pursuing Jamal Crawford In Three Team Sign-And-Trade
by Kris Willis on Dec 11, 2011 2:14 PM EST
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Several outlets are reporting that the Atlanta Hawks, New York Knicks and an unnamed third team are discussing a three team trade involving Hawks free agent guard Jamal Crawford. Matt Moore of ProBasketball Talk reports that Knicks guard Toney Douglas is one of the pieces involved in the trade. However, CBS sports NBA writer Ken Berger reports that Douglas is not involved in the current discussions.
After receiving a lot of interest prior to the free agent period opening, things have been quiet in regards to Jamal Crawford since signings began. There was rumored interest in a sign-and-trade with Chicago that may or may not have been true but would seem to no longer be an option with former Pistons guard Richard Hamilton likely headed there.
Its hard to speculate about the trade discussions with the Knicks until we know for sure who the third team is and who the Hawks could potentially receive. In his blog post last night, MC cautioned that Hawks GM Rick Sund still does not have the green light to approve a deal that results in a luxury tax payment for the Hawks. If that remains the case then these discussions could be a moot point without the Hawks first finding a way to unload some salary elsewhere to get further below the tax line.
2:15 PM Updatevia Michael Cunningham Twitter
Hawks GM Sund: "We have never been a taxpaying team and our goal is not to pay the tax. You never say never." No tax=No Crawford S & T
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"We have never been a taxpaying team and our goal is not to pay the tax.
I thought the goal was winning a championship
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Winning championship, making a profit... Same difference =P
by ap3604 on Dec 11, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well said. This team is committed to making playoffs and nothing more as long as possible.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 11, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly the only that makes a difference is a new owner
But I think trading Captain Kirk, would be one way to help Smoove and Lion. If Teague and whatever backup situation actually works, then we can focus to use Captain Kirk as a trade tool to finally get that meduiu, priced seven footer.
Captain Kirk!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bZKEhgieoc
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
its funny
I’ve never heard anyone from the hawks say “Our goal is to win a championship.”
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
"Our goal is to field the best team we can."
“Our goal is to continue improving.”
“Our goal is to compete at the highest level.”
I’ve definitely heard statements like that.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
I just want to have a chance, not win a championship, just have a chance
I was dis-heartened last year vs. Chicago. It was not a matter of quality, it was a matter of quantity. They just have too much. Three legit centers. It is impossible for us to fight that.
I only want one. Then with Zaza and Jason we are good, but we need one starting caliber center to have a chance. We just don’t have a chance.
I just read Turiaf got traded to Washignton. So now they have Javal McGree, an athletic freak, and a good backup. And we are still waiting
See Teague's play against Chicago at least gave me hope
Hopelessness was the season before against Orlando. Lost in all of this we need a center talk is that the Hawks already have a All-Star center. Are we really going to take McGee or Turiaf over Horford? How about Josh Smith? No not really.
Definitely not championship caliber but much better shape than we let on sometimes.
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Dec 11, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I rather ASG sit pat, then overpay for a player (or players) that will not equal a championship.
BTW, the free agency period isn’t over yet. It seems like the Hawks are more active before the trade deadline anyway (i.e. Crawfor, Hinrich). I would rather see what we have first before we ship out major pieces. My list of items include…
1. Teague as the full-time starter
2. Marvin’s fixed back
3. T-Mac’s impact (offensively and defensively)
4. Larry Drew after a year at the helm
5. Josh Smith’s shot selection
6. Joe Johnson shot volume
7. Horford’s post move
8. ZaZa’s and Twin’s playing time
I find this sentence amazing "I would rather ASG sit pat"
What part of waiting for a decent center and not even looking for one in past three year don’t you get?
Refresher in recent Hawks History:
Big Z available near two year ago, Hawks paid lip service to getting him. Then they shied away. Big Z eventually signed with Cavs after Ferry met him in person, and told him Sund is not serious about signing him. Hawks get sweeped. We stayed pat. No worries though, we have the fat Jason Collins. Hawks get sweeped in second round.
Shaq available last year. He would have brought crowds and attention and presence. After paying lip service, once Hawks heard Cavs want Marvin, Hawks shied away. No worries though, we got Etan and a newly trimmed, but still immobile center in Jason Collins. No worries, Hawks fight and are overcome by Chicago big me. We stay pat.
This year, we draft Angel Hair Bensen. Dude has zero chance to make it in this league as a center. Dude did not make it in Europe as a center for cryin out loud. You claim we are still good. Ahh we still have Magnum PI. We stay pat. Be happy, don’t worry.
I fail to see your line of thinking. While every other contender in the last two years have made changes (NY big three, Miami big three, Celtics traded Perkins for Green, Orlando traded half the team away, Chicago got Booze, Thomas, Korver), we stay pat. By now your logic should obvious to you, staying pat means going in reverse.
Listen you are dreaming if you think staying pat even means getting to the second round. I am sure Sund loves you.
Not over Horford or Smith, but with them
All the Zaza love aside, he’s a 4th big. Twin is junk minute. If we had a 3rd to rotate in with Horford and Smith, not on their level, but close enough and with skills complimentary to them, that’d be a huge help, and one of the missing pieces on the team.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
Hawks have an ALL STAR
Hawks don’t have an all star center. Keep those facts straight.
Al Horford gets selected to all star, because he score well, and he rebounds well, and he brings intangibles (like being a good teammater, not making mental mistakes, not taking bad shots) to the table.
But if you are telling me he plays the center position well, I say get your prescription for your glasses fixed. I have a good eye doctor I can recommend.
Listen, A center plays dirty, and defends the basket like Mama bear. A center does not move away from the basket to take 20 foot jumpers to score. A center, INTIMIDATES. Are you telling me AL HORFORD intimidates like Javal McGee? In the famous words of John McEnroe at Wimbeldon center court, YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS. A CENTER BLOCKS. The fear of a center makes other teams shy away from the basket. Are you tell me Al got selectd to All star game because he intimidates?
Did Al intimidate Stoudemire after he called him out? did he intimidate Noah and Asok last year in playoffs? I saw a Smoove that fought inch for inch with them bigs. I saw an Al that moved far and away from the basket.
Don’t throw the ALL STAR arhument at me please Kris. Al is great player, my own favorite (the way he used to play before the UFC takedown by Blake). But he is no center in NBA.
Just in East, otehr than Turiaf and
By your definition then there is what three centers in the league?
Lest I remind you, Atlanta defeated Orlando in the playoffs last season who have the best center in the league.
@Kris_Willis
I stop on this thread now, because I think I am abusing it by posting too much
I await my next opportunity :)
In the old C definition, that's about right
there’s more if you count backups, but true elite Cs in the Robinson, Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, Eaton, Mo Malone, Daugherty, Mutumbo, Kareem, Parish, etc mold? Just not many. That’s why Horford is an All Star C, not so much that he isn’t good, but there are so few other good ones to pick from. Send him back 20 years ago, and he’s not an All Star C. Maybe a solid, Ho Grant PF, but he’d not be an elite C.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 12, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I like Al too but he aint a center
I remember Kurt Thomas ( OLD Kurt) handle Al in the Hawks Bucks series a few years ago. He was way stronger than Al and just moved him around the post…I was like “dang!!!” Kurt T is a beast
jj implied it ... in his camp day 4 quote
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 12, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Do we really need another guard?
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
We need a backup to cover until Hinrich's healthy
a SG/SF that can push Marvin for the starting spot, preferably one that can really knock down the deep ball since we lack that, and a shot blocking C.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
I agree with the center
I figure tmac, joe, and josh will help witht he sf whenever necessary. its just I always thought we would go after a true center since that always seems to be the thing that holds the team back in certain games
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
$58M over 4 years for Chandler
There’s no way the Hawks would’ve given up that sort of money, even if they could have afforded to.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
im not saying chandler
but at this point like an average person at center
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
I think any legit 7 footer who can start and play 30-35 minutes a night is going to be overvalued in this market,
even in a trade situation (meaning we’d lose key parts in overcompensating to bring one in). I do understand your point that the Hawks need a legitimate center to be able to compete, but I think I’m now resigned to the fact (or more like having my optimism beaten to a pulp by the ASG’s bonehead personnel/transactional moves) that we just cannot afford one, or won’t spend the money to be able to fine one either via free agency or trades.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
optimism beaten to a pulp
yeah that sums up how I feel. I believe to compete against certain teams we need one but im just done with the owners of this team. Also I have to remind myself that LD is the coach and he will more than likely screw up everything even if we get the pieces
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
If we sign another player
Then I am betting it is a vet point guard. MC says someone like Carlos Arroyo
@Kris_Willis
Blah
I guess he’d better than some alternatives. I just worry that if we get someone who’s actually serviceable, we’ll see him cut too much into Teague’s minutes. I also wouldn’t mind seeing Pape Sy get some playing time.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
arroyo?
ugh this is gonna be a long 66 game season
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
did he play last year?
i remember him getting cut by the heat
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
I think he went to Boston after that
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Dec 11, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know if you saw this but,
#Hawks GM Sund: “I like our bigs. We are going to continue to look at [point guards] as training camp goes.”
This was a tweet I saw Micheal Cunningham made a couple hours ago
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Sund doesn't have to say this
He can just not make a move. But making this kind of statement, is simply not right. It is this line of thinking that makes Smoove want a trade, and Lion start to lose interest.
We are simply too small to be a legit threat in Eastern conference
Coach asked for another shooter,
Josh Smith – inside (baseline/PnR)
Vladimir Radmanovic – OUTSIDE
Al Horford – inside (elbow jumpers, Pick and Pop)
Josh + shooter + center seems to be the formula going forward. Josh cannot be the best option to be stationed outside.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 11, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, the mysterious third team theory
Crawford to the Knicks
Knicks pieces to team with cap space
TPE to Hawks
And now entering the game for Atlanta, Traded Player Exception.
The Hawks are glad to participate in a three way as long as we just have to lie there.
somebody at MSNBC never watched Hawks games
He’s a high-usage scorer who does not have terrific playmaking abilities. He’s 31-years-old and his defense has never been excellent.
But he played decent enough defense in Atlanta, and he makes a high-octane offense that much better.
Was going to point this exact thing out but felt like it was too early in the new season
I expect nothing less from that site
@Kris_Willis
What is sad is that the window of opportunity for this team closes in 2 years max
Hawks should entertain going into luxury Tax, even with current ownership.
Sund is irrelevant. He is only going to do what he is told.
But even for ASG owners, who only probably want to put a veneer of success on top of the hodge-podge of talent they have, so they can sell this team, they must know, the best way is to get a respectable rebounding big man to win more.
That will let them sell the org easier. How do we know if we can get to Eastern conference finals or not? Have to add a rebounding big man, and then we either know this nucleus has it or not. This is not rocket science. Three years we have waited. Three years, and still no respectable big man. To be clear, I mean a center. A legit medium quality center that can rebound. No I am not talking Nene or Chandler caliber. I am good with Daelmbert, Hawes, even Kwame Brown for Goodness sake.
Kris and Jason, you both should be calling out Sund and ASG on this topic. We must have rebounding. We must fight inside to win in the East.
Horford isn't respectable?
Why call out Sund when his bosses are the ones calling the shots? I can’t sign a check on behalf of Peachtree Hoops without the bosses at SB Nation giving me the ok. Is that me not doing my job or is it out of my control?
We have been dreaming of this mythical true old style center for so long and the fact is that not many even exist. Chandler is a nice defensive center but he is hardly a threat at both ends of the floor. The fact is that the NBA is changing and has been for some time. I’d love to have a big capable center next to Horford but the reality is he is a better center than many that could be acquired.
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Dec 11, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hordford as a player is more than respectable
More than that. He is a role model. A tremendous asset to Hawks and NBA.
But he is no center.
Look, in past we have had great centers that have scored outside. Jack Sikma comes to mind. Bill Laimbeer. Big Z. But all of those guys were fighters and not afraid to go inside and get rebounds. Big Z intimidates because he is just big. Bill Laimbeer was dirty. Sikma, was a tremendous worker and stayed inside to rebound.
Lion keeps moving away. You have no one to defend the basket if you are counting on Al. You have no one to do the offensive rebounding if he taking 20 foot jumpers.
Mixing him being an ALL STAR and respectable with being a center??? I think that is what you are doing.
Why call out Sund? Because he makes stupid proclamations. Like he likes our bigs. Yes we must call out ASG and Sund both.
Listen, I am not talking mythical beast in the Scottish lake. I am saying we don’t have likes of Javal McGee, Kurt Thomas, Noah, Bogat, Lopez, Daimpier even, Joel Anthony, Asok, Stoudemire, KG, Tyson Chandler, Hibbert, Hawes.
As a player, Al is better than some of those. As a center, no he is not better. He is too small.
Now being small does not always stop you from being a center. If you have the mentality of a warrior which is what he had. IF you fight like early Al, if you fight like Alonzo mourning. But if you become a pussy cat, then that is all you are. A soft 6’ 9: player that likes to take 20 foot jumpers. And keeps asking for help.
Listen to him say we need big men. He likes to play the four spot. What does that tell you???
If we had got Big Z, you would have hated him within a week
By the way, Al Horford is every bit the center that Stoudemire and KG are and in my opinion a more complete player than every single one that you mentioned.
I’m sure he would rather play the 4 spot and I’m sure he would be good at it but that doesn’t mean it has to happen or it should happen. Propping up a stiff at center isn’t the magic cure all that you claim it is. It worked against Orlando but we saw how bad the big lineup was against Chicago. It forces Atlanta to play four on five on the offensive end.
@Kris_Willis
Amare and Garnett are 4s, by nature, too
http://sportsandgrits.com/
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
One more thing in regards to Horford
You are basing your entire opinion on his performance in the playoffs, particularly against the Bulls. You constantly mention that Noah got the better of him in that series but you fail to point out that coming into that series Horford had out performed Noah in the head to head match virtually every time.
When Atlanta beat Chicago late in the regular season it was Horford who led the charge. Base your opinion on the entire body of work and not just six random games that support your opinion.
This is laughable to the point that I don’t even want to talk about it anymore
@Kris_Willis
If you as a season ticket holder
that had likely watched 90+ games from this team last season couldn’t look at Horford in the playoffs and tell he was hurting then it is you that needs to get your glasses fixed.
@Kris_Willis
I'm hoping it was a case in the 2nd round last year that it was injury or fatigue which explains his poor play for the series.
That goes same for JJ and all of last season.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
I think Al Horford is a much more offensively capable version of Chuck Hayes
A PF who played Center for most of the season at Houston and excelled greatly. And he’s 6’6 to boot. I agree with your statement that being small doesn’t affect a center as long as he has the mental capability of playing the position. Horford is a MUCH better offensive player than a lot of those players listed and is a lot more successful with most of those “20 ft. jumpers that soft players take.” With respects to his defensive game I think he is a much more disciplined Josh Smith. I will give you this, Horford was always a system of Larry Drew’s help-defense philosophy and so it is not necessarily an easy way to define how he well he will do one on one. He’s always been great at defending screen plays although he has work to do on his post defense.
You can base efficiency with success and although he took a more perimeter oriented approach to the offense he was still efficient with his shots. Though, understandably, I still don’t think he isn’t getting used correctly by Larry Drew. The most any player has scored per game with a usage rate below 20% in the modern era is 18.5 PPG. Among guys with a usage rate below 20%, Horford (15.6 PPG) was fourth in the league in PPG last season, trailing only Ray Allen (16.5 PPG), Dorell Wright and Danilo Gallinari. Obviously, all three of those guys are benefiting, scoring-wise, from so many of their possessions being used on three-point shots. He also posted better assist numbers to go along with those perimeter players.
If the Atlanta Hawks are going to become a successful basketball team it starts with Al Horford. It starts with Al Horford getting higher than a 20% usage rate in the teams possessions. With what Al Horford has to offer in terms of offense, defense, assists, etc, he is the best and most important #2 option on any Non-Miami team in the league.
It gets to the point where it’s like beating on a dead horse when you continue to bash ownership and Sund for not signing those types of players. We’ve heard it before. We’ve been in this position before and people act surprised like it’s the first time it’s happened. You know the salary cap situation. We are stuck with Joe Johnson. No, we can’t trade him without taking some of that salary off. No, we can’t amnesty him under the new CBA. Ownership just won’t do it.
Ron Artest = Ron (sm)Artest - He Is The Most Interesting Man In The World
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 12, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Though, understandably, I still don’t think he isn’t getting used correctly by Larry Drew.
I still don’t think he is getting used correctly by Larry Drew. Typo
Ron Artest = Ron (sm)Artest - He Is The Most Interesting Man In The World
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Dec 12, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Douglas Bros. in the A?
Seems like the Falcons could be the third team involved, since HD is a FA after this season, and getting Toney would likely be incentive for Harry to take a hometown discount.
If the Knicks trade falls through and CP3 is traded to the Clippers
this trade could work out for both teams
ATL-Craw (starting salary 8 million)/ M.Williams
for
LAC-Kaman (will be a free agent next year)
this trade works in Trade Checker and would lower the team salary by alot.
LAC would get a replacement for Aminu and a starting SG in crawford
ATL would get a starting C in Kaman.
after the year they could sign Kaman to a lower deal or let him go and steer clear of the luxuary tax line.
by Bryant Singleton on Dec 11, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions
I posted a comment elsewhere
But it took me going back to the playoff series against the Bulls(I usually DO purge painful memories, I’d forgotten much of it) in order to remember just much I don’t want Jamal Crawford on this team. He really did kill us in that Bulls series. That fourth quarter in game 5. Game 2, when he played most of the game and did literally nothing useful. Game 6, when he, and apparently everyone else, played like crap.
Considering that was the last time the Bulls saw him play basketball, it’s surprising that they’d want him. He had a solid game 1, and his hot shooting helped us through the Magic series, but he was really, really bad against Chicago.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
All you say is true
But a small detail, not that I am asking for Jamal to stay,
Lose his scoring, and you won’t even get to the Chicago series.
Now I am of the firm opinion you let Jamal go, but not for nothing.
We're going to let him walk for nothing
And, trust me, the Hawks are actually going to come out of it okay.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
If I'm Orlando
I just seek the best trade for Dwight. He’s leaving next season anyway, so may as well get something for him. Atlanta could outstage NJ’s offer of Brook and 2 1’st rounders with a package of Horford, Sign/trade Jamal, and a 1st.
"NLDS or bust" - Bobby Cox
are you saying give up horford for for Lopez?
"A ‘No’ uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a ‘Yes’ merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble."
Mohandas Gandhi
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
Winston Churchill
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus
"We were real solid on both ends of the floor today and had positive energy coming from the bench tonight."
Jeff Teague
Indiana supposedly prefers Crawford to OJ Mayo
Hypothetical (since we won’t go into tax) Would you sign and trade Crawford for Josh McRoberts and Brandon Rush?
Personally I would (not worth paying the tax though) because McRoberts is a high energy board crasher off the bench with decent length and Rush shot 41.7% from 3pt range. Both would help the roster. Not enough to merit luxury tax in my opinion, but a solid return.
What it seemed like to me was that they wanted Mayo
I think the market for Crawford has dried up significantly. With Indiana presumably back in the hunt it might pick up some.
@Kris_Willis
I want Josh McRoberts - i desire Josh McRoberts
I love his game. Dunking and rebounding. He is the white completement to Smoove.
Only Sund is too dumb and old, fat, and happy to realize it.
Ah well….I go for that sign and trade if i could only get josh McRoberts. Josh and Smoove, what a combo
Complement means to complete.
Wouldn’t The white completement to “Smoove” would be able to shoot and play outside? L2ms
McRoberts would be a “supplement”.
Josh Smith and Marion and Chandler supplement but their complement is Nowitzki.
Josh Smith and Bogut would supplement each others shot blocking and defense but their complement is Joe and Leuer.
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* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 16, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
Duly noted
Should have said “supplement”
We do need a big man, no doubt about it. I don’t want Lion traded. I much rather get a servicable big man in trade. The strength of Hawks and Lion and Smoove.
Now we have Captain Kirk as a chip. Trade him and use his salary then to pay a reasonable big man.
Alternatively restructure JJ salary for same money longer term, and use savings to pay for a big man.
I used to absolutely hate Joe Johnson
but the Hawks are built on Joe Johnson’s double teams and Josh Smith’s blocks, FTA, Horford’s rebounds and lack of any way to score not much of a “strength”.
SMith is a tweener. Smith+Horford+center can’t coexist. Thats 3 inside players.
Smith + Horford + Marvin is terribly undersized.
Smith + Horford + Rasheed Wallace/Bill Laimbeer/Larry Bird/Lebron.
A) You need superior size and/or superior perimeter talent. We have Marvin.
B) You want 2 inside players and 1 outside player in the frontcourt. 2 Outside guys in backcourt.
Smith + Horford + PF/C shooter. We have tax concerns so best you can get is Vlad Radmanovic and some washed up SFs.
The only way to get a PF/C shooter is trade Horford.
Trade Smith? might get you a 2nd string center because his tweener status means its a buyers market:
The problem is Hawks may have waited too long with Horford and HE will be facing a buyers market. I dont think his trade value or Winning Shared Value can get any higher.
With the need for size and shooting… about time to trade Al.
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Tracy McGrady * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 17, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
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