Sheridan: Atlanta Hawks Could Offer Enticing Package For Chris Paul
by Kris Willis on Nov 29, 2011 9:01 AM EST
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ESPN's Chris Sheridan begins what is sure to be a reoccurring theme this season right up to when New Orleans point guard Chris Paul either signs an extension with the Hornets or gets traded to another team. Broussard talks about New York's desire for the point guard but points out that there are other teams out there that Paul would consider signing an extension with.
Sheridan stops short of putting the Atlanta Hawks on that list but does say that Paul is fond of the city of Atlanta and the Hawks could offer New Orleans an enticing package.
The Atlanta Hawks are another team that could offer New Orleans an enticing package of, say, Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague. It’s not known whether Paul would consider signing an extension with the Hawks but he is known to be fond of the city of Atlanta.
I am not sure if a package of Jeff Teague and Marvin Williams would satisfy the Hornets enough to get them to pull the trigger as the Hawks would likely have to offer more. No doubt New Orleans would likely ask for either Josh Smith or Al Horford depending on whether or not they are able to bring back David West. However, if Jeff Teague continues to impress the way he did in the Chicago series, then it might not be a far fetched as it seems at first glance.
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It's Time
First, I’m ready to get back to basketball blogging mode. Been uninspired during the lockout to say anything substantial about the Hawks (particularly since I have to add my disclaimer about our future with the new (old) ownership back).
But let me say this to Mr. Sheridan. Every fiber of my being wishes that trade could be so, but there’s not a chance in NON-COLLUSION, CONSPIRACY heezell that the Hornets are accepting a trade of Jeff Teague and Marvin Williams for Chris Paul. It’s likely not to happen for Josh Smith or Al Horford either, but at least those are slightly believable. Point being – if we can trade ANY players to the Hornets for Paul – sign me up. I don’t care who we have to give up Hornets. Pick any 3 as long as you leave us Horford or Smith and I’m ready to roll.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Nov 29, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I can agree with this.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Yep
Would send them with a care package and everything. Give ‘em standing ovations every time they came back to Atlanta, but let’s be clear CP3 when healthy is a top 10 player in this league. He’s the type of player who can overcome the coach and the ownership. In fact, if he’s not getting what he wants – he can say ‘yo, get this Drew guy out of here’. Someone like that – we want him. I don’t care if it’s 5 years later than it should have been (note: I wanted Deron W).
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Nov 29, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
no offense
But I doubt Chris Paul has some magical power to overcome the coach or ownership unless you have proof of that.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
well
great play has overcome bad ownership and coaching many times before. I mean Mike Brown was the Coach of the Year for goodness sake and Dan Gilbert is a certified fool. That said, Chris Paul is the kind of talent who actually can force ownership to actually change the coach if he doesn’t like him. That’s the hope I have on that. That he’d say – uh, how are you guys not gonna coach up Josh and if not, I’ll do it until you get a real coach (if Josh was still here), but whoever is – I don’t see CP3 deferring to anyone on the Hawks and that’s a great thing. That’s a power I’m happy to see him employ.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 5, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing, that Broussard
know something about Teague, that not even Teague himself or the Hawks know about. That has to be a typo.
by xavip on Nov 29, 2011 9:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Given the Hawks’ salary cap problems, I kind of would prefer to keep Teague and see if he can consistently be the player we saw in the playoffs vs Chicago. If he could, then the Hawks would have their elite PG for cheap and would still be able to trade Marvin and/or Josh to upgrade other positions.
But I suppose if NO was willing to make one of those trades and the Hawks could sign Paul to an extension, it would be hard to say no to that.
I was just about to say this
it seems like every year we talk about somehow getting chris paul
M-V-TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
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A little bit later than usual this year.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Who would turn down......?
New York, Los Angeles or Atlanta? Let’s see, a chance to play with future Hall of Famers like Kobe, Carmelo and Stoudemire or come and play with a franchise that has ownership problems, money problems and whose last superstar plays on NBA t.v. in classic games against Larry Bird.
by Mr. Hawk on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
LOL & totally agree
Chris Paul to HOTlanta??? noooooooooo way…..for all the reasons you’ve stated and sooooo many more (including fickle/ridiculous sorry lack of fans!!!!) Until the sad Hawks get $$$$ (new ownership!!) and a top caliber coaching staff……we will NOT be seeing any marquee players sign on with the Hawks!!!
Paul may want to goto New York but may have to take less money to make it happen.
Remember New Orleans holds the key to that extra year for Paul’s next contract. He may want to go to New York but they don’t have much in the way of assets coming back to New Orleans. Its possible he could wait until after he becomes a free agent and sign there but that would be a four year deal instead of a five.
The Lakers could trade for him but are also rumored to be in on Dwight Howard. As much as I like Paul, Howard is going to take priority there.
The X factor in all of this is what teams are Paul willing to sign an extension with? That is when you will know what the market is for him.
@Kris_Willis
Why would playing for New York or LA gurantee success?
LA is getting old and slow. New York hasn’t proven anything. Atlanta has gotten closer every year….hmm
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Not necessarily title success
in NYC’s case, but it does ensure endorsement success and regardless of what the results have always been – I have to be frank. both of those franchises will do whatever it takes to try to win. That’s not Atlanta’s MO and on top of that, I’ve been in the Forum, Staples Center, and MSG and for a winning team – it just doesn’t compare. You’d sacrifice some loot to feel that. I know I would. First time I went to MSG – the difference in atmosphere was so stark that I almost couldn’t go to a Hawks game for a month. And this was Minnesota/New York after the glory years.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Nov 29, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
this would be great for us
but piece of my soul would die if we get rid of jeff Teague
M-V-TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Broussard loves to throw stuff at the wall
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Nov 29, 2011 1:09 PM EST reply actions
im amazed cus the name lebron wasnt involved
M-V-TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Haha
I’m sure he has a whole article written up on Lebron’s reaction to the CP3 rumors
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Nov 29, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
lol
but can you honestly say to yourself you would feel good trading teague?
M-V-TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'd be scared to see him go too, because I can see another team getting the most out of his talents whilst we let him languish on the bench.
Will making it back to the Eastern Conference Semis give Larry Drew another year at the helm?
Yep
my I wanted him to start on Game 40 of his rookie season self would say Hasta La Vista in every way if we got CP3 and had to trade Teague to do so.
Hawk Str8Talk
by Hawk Str8Talk on Dec 5, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Teague and Smith would be more fair, that being said not sure Stern and Silver want CP3 in ATL. The NBA owns the Hornets.
Teague could be a star but Marvin and Teague for CP3 Broussard? Has anyone tried to follow up?
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
I find it funny that LAC is suitors for CP3 but they'd rather pursue Dwight first. If CP3 is interested in Blake, regardless of D12 then they're idiots.
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Williams and Teague, enticing?
I’m not sure that word “enticing” means what you think it means.
lackluster? gambling?
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
by PointGuardSlim on Nov 30, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have to comment on everyone of my comments?
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Nov 30, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I did not comment. A comment is an observation. I replied to your question about what the Hornets likely thought package was. Guess it was rhetorical question.
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 1, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
How about replying to this question
if Leuer is all you say he is, why wouldn’t the Bucks keep him and enjoy his talents?
http://sportsandgrits.com/
sorry. Did not see your post.
I don’t think they can exploit role players like we can. We got Teague, Joe Johnson making Marvin and Josh Childress and Mo Evans relevant.
They’re offensive ratings are high just by filling gaps. The Bucks in contrast have Brandon Jennings (shoots as much as Joe at around 40% iirc) and Stephen Jackson who has lost all speed.
I don’t see why the Bucks would want to not just rebuild instead of make playoffs with no chance of winning it all.
Then again the Hawks do that every year :/
A 7 foot Josh Childress with a jumper. A 7 foot Brian Cardinal with a bit more speed. Ryan Andersen with more height.
Maybe Im coming on strong but all I see in Leuer is a guy who can hit a jumper off the dribble. If you get someone to create for him and be the FOURTH option.
Can you remember when the last time Childress Josh or Marvin hit a pull up jumper? Horford off the dribble. You know how ridiculous it is that we start guys for 4 years who cant hit a pull up jump shot?
Guys without jumpers (like Childress and Josh and Damien) are why guys like Brian Cardinal stay in the league for 10 years.
Ryan Andersen got traded because he can’t do anything without someone creating for him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP5mrIaC9sQ
same with Josh Childress (released), and Marvin Williams (amnesty candidate). can’t do anything without someone creating for him:
Does not mean Leuer is not the best option amongst (Leuer, Smith, Damien, Childress, Marvin) if we had to pick.
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 1, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
wrong link
Leuer/Andersen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvFwzNTH9FI
pick and fade for 3
pick and roll with Josh/Bogut then swing the ball for 3
trailing jump shot
7 footer can post up small SFs, did well against David Lee in draft. And then against Durant and Chandler in select team.
Thats the problem with harping on underrated players soon they become rated correctly. But still Bogut’s injury history is balanced by the perimeter upgrade Leuer provides.
And Leuer and Bogut are nothing without Teague and Josh and Joe taking off pressure. What the Bucks have are 3rd and 4th options.
Bucks can A) give us Bogut where we play him around 30 minutes and save him for playoffs while Bucks go .500 with Horford OR B) the Bucks can go .500 and play Bogut 35mpg and risk injury and Leuer would be like a 3rd option (instead of 4th with Hawks) there.
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 1, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
So the Bucks want to rebuild, and do so...
by trading a cheap rookie? Yeah.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
What? The Bucks know they wont compete, They might not want Horford but at least he can play a couple seasons on a losing team and still be healthy.
After a few seasons at center you can try to rebrand Horford as a dominant PF. Sell him on youth and health.
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
by PointGuardSlim on Dec 2, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
It's a Princess Bride reference
The Wallace Shawn character keeps saying “Inconceivable” and every time he does the “inconceivable” happens. There is no way that ship could catch us. There is no way he can climb the cliffs of Insanity, etc. After a while Andre the Giant says this word “Inconceivable” I don’t think it means what you think it means. I was poking fun at the Sheridan report that Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague are enticing. I see that offer as easily ignored. Breaking it down this way, Jeff Teague played real well in the series against the Bulls, but that’s his whole audition real. He was given so little PT during the year it’s hard to know what you’ll get long term from him. I’m optimistic, but if I was a rival GM I’d want to see it on the court post-lockout before believing it. Then we come to Marvin Williams, who for all we know may be a revelation after surgery or just with a change of scenery. But to a rival GM he’s the guy must mentioned as a amnesty candidate for the Hawks because of his failure to produce in line with his contract. Much like inconceivable implies that it can’t happen, I’d expect enticing to at least cause debate and a lengthy decision process. That offer might result in the call ending right then.
typos
real = reel, must = most. General point remains the same. I wish our parts were that enticing in a trade, but unless it’s Josh or Al they really aren’t or at least shouldn’t be. Until he has a larger sample size of performance, Jeff Teague is a high risk/high reward prospect to other GMs. I don’t think many would pass on getting him cheap, but to give up a known all-star (Paul or Rondo) is a big risk. Marvin has to show quite a bit on the court to overcome the years of passive play and the size of his contract. Joe is coming off a bad year with a contract that doesn’t allow for bad years. With so many people predicting a performance drop off he’s got to be spectacular on the floor before he’s even a consideration for an opposing GM. Even Josh has question marks about his mindset and decision making. If he showed a turnaround on the floor in those areas he might be coveted by everyone, but until it happens he’s a high risk acquisition. The only guys without huge question marks are Al Horford because of his solid already game and performance to date and Kirk Hinrich because he’s expiring.
No problem thanks for the explanation
For the record, I can’t believe that Sheridan suggested Teague and Williams. He had to have meant to include Smith or Horford there also and just left it out mistakenly.
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Nov 30, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
It's Mandy Patinkin/Inigo Montoya with that line
not Andre the Giant/Fezik.
http://sportsandgrits.com/
If CP3 wanted to come to Atlanta...
I’m sure the ASG would come up with a package to bring him here. It looks like he won’t be able to get to New York without giving up 40 million dollars (salary cap restrictions). I think the largest target for Atlanta should be Dwight Howard or Al Jefferson. I can see Atlanta having a big three of Teague, JJ and Dwight. Due to cap restrictions I think Teague should almost be untouchable.
U think Dwight would be convinced that THAT's a big 3 and resign?
Hawks trade {Al Horford} for {PF Jon Leuer and C Andrew Bogut}
* Andrew Bogut * Jon Leuer * Josh Smith * Joe Johnson * Jeff Teague *
* Zaza Pachulia * Keith Benson * Malcolm Thomas * Marvin Williams * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
by PointGuardSlim on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
josh smith for CP3
Instead of trading Williams and Teague how bout sending Josh Smith Teague and Pachulia and Hilton Armstrong for Paul Jarret Jack and Aaron Grey.
Hilton Armstrong is no longer with the Hawks
@Kris_Willis
by Kris Willis on Nov 30, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
what? the neck is gone?
all is lost
M-V-TEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Upon hearing that the nfl lockout was over, I faced in the general direction of Seattle and gave them the finger. GO RAMS
Follow me at @Th3_Prophet
Keep Jeff Teague
I think that the Hawks could spend the money for Chris Paul on other players . Marvin Williams’ contract expires in a few years. I think Teague has the potential to be a 15 point, 6 assist player and he is younger than Chris Paul and cheaper.
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