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The Peachtree Hoops Podcast: Shaq in the ATL and Josh Smith Trade Rumors

The Peachtree Hoops Podcast rolls on with Chris Craft and Kris Willis joining me to discuss:

 

We used tin cans to make the podcast happen and disgustingly agreed on just about everything so download, click, tune into the link below and then climb on board and comment.

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Shaq in the ATL: Yes or No?
Yes
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No
154 votes

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Don’t like Shaq as a starter. Don’t like Josh Smith getting traded unless we are getting Chris Paul back. Why no talk of Marvin Williams and Bibby possibly being shopped to Golden State? Finally, it would be a huge loss losing Josh Childress and getting nothing in return. If its only Javal McGee and whatever to make the money work that’s great. I just don’t see us letting the guy walk for nothing, you have a while to try and figure out how to get under the luxury threshold, the trades that the Hornets made during season were for that reason, we can do that at some point in season if things aren’t working. I don’t see the Hawks letting Childress walk with nothing in return

by formerlyknowna on Jul 7, 2010 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

there's not an option for

Sure! why not

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jul 7, 2010 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

hope this isnt a short sighted

quick fix

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jul 7, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh

I voted No because I don’t think he will come for the MLE and I don’t see the front court as a bigger issue that the PG/SF issues we have. However, I have little to no faith in the ASG to be able to do anything significant about those issues, so whatever. Maybe they will sell more tickets for the first few weeks, but the allure will fade quick when we still end up losing to the likes of the Knicks, etc.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 7, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Drew will keep that last part from happening though

Either way, I’ve become somewhat numb of it all. Maybe I’m just ready to get the season started.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 7, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wade, Bosh

and James would be better than the Hawks and Wade, Bosh, and J Chillz could be just as good if Chillz comes back to the league and has a Brandon Jennings type year when it comes to applying what he may have learned. I really dont wanna see the guy burning us like that

by formerlyknowna on Jul 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

During the regular season? Maybe

But during the postseason, save some badass players coming in for the minimum, that team would never have the depth to compete.

by axhfan on Jul 7, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Childress is okay....but not that good

I’m sure the Hawks can get somebody for him….he’s not a #1 or #2 option…he doesn’t score easily…good defender, can rebound, handle the ball…that’s about it, unless he found a consistent shot he aint coming back and burnin’ the Hawks.
This team has not done anything yet to get better…so expect some deals to be made….I think they are looking to see what offers they get for the expendable parts…..Josh, Josh, Marvin, Bibby. The Knicks need a pick & roll PG for Amare, see what they would give up for Bibby

by Cmart34 on Jul 7, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

w/r/t Arn Tellum

Maybe he thinks that LeBron was willing to sign for the MLE? “Hey, LeBron, come on down to the ATL and be the 4th highest paid player on the roster! You’ll be making more than Zaza (slightly)!”

by Bronn on Jul 7, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually

The Hawks have the pieces to do a S&T with the Cavs. Not to mention if it meant gettin Lebron James, ASG would be more than willing to become a tax team.

by axhfan on Jul 7, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boozer

Boozer more solid than Josh on most nights. Rose better than any PG we can put out there. Noah and Al are wash. Deng better than Marvin. Bulls look like they may have passed or atleast joined the Hawks as currently constructed. If the Heat can get a C with MLE even without Lebron they will join the Hawks also. We need to make some moves.

by formerlyknowna on Jul 7, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

boozer is gone ...heard the Bulls got him

now who is left?? …..speaking of the Bulls…I really like Deng….I think he’s hidden gem….don’t know where he would fit with the Hawks…but he is solid

by Cmart34 on Jul 7, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bulls are the exact same team, plus Carlos Boozer

Even if he can stay on the court for a full season (big if) I’m not so sure his addition and the loss of depth will make the Bulls significantly better. Not to mention we have no idea how well Tommy T will be as a coach.

by axhfan on Jul 7, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boozer is better than Smoove?????

You must be blind… Josh is younger, a better defender, a better passer, can run the floor better, and less of a injury liability than boozer. All boozer has is a couple nifty post up moves and an o.k. jumper plus Josh hasn’t reached his potential yet i wanna see what larry drew can get out of him

by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 7, 2010 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

The man who might really benefit from a new coach is Marvin Williams. I really want to see what we can get from him next season. It’s harder for me to say, at this point, that Josh Smith isn’t exactly what he is.

by Bronn on Jul 7, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boozer more solid

You must be blind. Reading is fundamental, I stopped at saying Boozer is better than Josh, I typed he is more solid, which he is, you know what you will get out of him, which is a solid double double nightly, Josh who knows, what you will get from that guy

by formerlyknowna on Jul 7, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'll also get those Grandpa Knees

Sitting out three out of the six seasons with the Jazz will get you that tag… Ill be surprised if he doesn’t turn into Elton Brand v.2.0

by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 7, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is...

I still feel we got the atleast the 4th seed locked down especially with Cav going down with no true center the heat moving up with bosh and wade. The Bucks have a better team than the Bulls… Also I would take marvin over deng anyday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0su_Huk6p-o) <——— I dont want that guy denfending anyone

by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 7, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Josh Smith has the most upside?

It is a dangerous thing to say around these parts because there appears to be a common consensus that out of every draftee on the team the oldest and most seasoned pro still has the most potential. Eventually we have to come to terms with the fact that he has reached or is quite near his potential and he lacks the tools to put it all together. A coach would really help, but this is what I was trying to get at earlier in another post. Eventually it is going to go from talking about his potential to saying how if he could only put it all together he would be near unstoppable and that conversation will last until he is retired. (i.e. Rasheed Wallace)

He was drafted a year after Mo Evans and I don’t hear anyone in this space talking about Mo just tapping out of his potential (yes i know he is younger)

You know who else is younger Al horford and Marvin Williams and both of those two YOUNG MEN have made great strides in improving a part of their game in the offseason.
(a step back from Marvin this past year, which I can contribute to the Woody system and his ability to loose faith in some players, which for some reason completely destroys there psyche and his ability to show favoritism)

Josh Smith has the same issues he had FOUR years ago he has trouble focusing, he can’t dribble, he can’t shoot, and he has no idea what he can and cannot do.

I am pretty sure in his mind he thinks he is Lebron James and I am pretty sure he has convinced a lot of you he could be a Lebron James, but he can’t he won’t.

I am looking forward to the strides he makes under Larry Drew and i pray he improves more than I think he is capable of doing.

by RealSquawk on Jul 7, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Fair point

But Josh does still posses a lot of potential.

- Many of his issues could be fixed purely through better coaching, decision making, and attitude
- His passing has steadily improved
- His on-ball defense has gotten much better
- His shooting percentage has steadily risen throughout his career
- He’s developed competent post moves in a half court set
- Last season there were several stretches of 10 rebound averages, and seems to have the ability to pull 10 per for a season
-He’s still growing physically

by axhfan on Jul 8, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but how long do you wait

I was one of his biggest supporters a few years ago. He developed a post game sort of, looked like he was getting a short range jump shot….then that was it. He started shooting 3’s, he would get silly charging calls because he wasn’t as good a ball handler as he thought, he stopped rebounding….and that started 2 seasons ago. I really thought he was “our” Lebron- athletic, combo foward, who could score from anywhere in the paint….nope..he is a dunker, has a lefty jump hook, and defends the basket….he needs to be a better passer and get a short range jumper (Amare) and not take 3’s …ever…even when they go in its demoralizing because you know he’s gonna take another 3-4

by Cmart34 on Jul 8, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long we wait?

Until somebody blows us away with a badass trade

by axhfan on Jul 8, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq had 5 year $100 Million Deal We are near Luxury tax territory.

Around $66.30 million for 9 players under contract including Joe Johnson.
We can possibly Resign Own Players or something like that. The Contract with Joe Johnson was expensive, so I don’t see Hawks spending much more money. It Was mentioned Ekfor and Chris Paul.,had 10 more million Contract than Josh Smith. I feel Smith is better player. we Dont have to beat Miami in Spending. $65 Million for 5 players Before Trade of Beasley.

by Jeff Gibson on Jul 9, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

shaq is the key

 I FEEL THAT OBTAINING SHAQ AND WILL BYNUM FROM DETROIT WILL WORK WONDERS FOR THE HAWKS. THEY CAN MOVE MARVIN WILLIAMS & MIKE BIBBY TO ANOTHER TEAM AND DROP RANDOLPH MORRIS AND JASON COLLINS. THEY HAVE ANOTHER GUARD COMING IN TO BACKUP JOE OR JAMALL, THEY CAN ACQUIRE HASLEM TO BACK UP HORFORD, THEY ALSO HAVE TO LET GO MARIO. THEN ACQUIRE MCGLOIRE TO BACK UP JOSH SMITH. ZAZA WILL BACKUP SHAQ. PHILOSPHY SAY’S THAT WITH JOE GETTING 123 MILLION, HE IS GOING TO SHOOT ALOT AS BEFORE. SHAQ WILL GET MOST OF THE MISS’ES AND CLOG OU THE MIDDLE ON DEFENSE, JOSH CAN THEN BECOME A ROAMER ON DEFENSE AND BLOCK LOTS OF SHOTS, BECAUSE OF SHAQ’S PRESENCE, AL CAN HELP ON THE BOARDS AND BECOME THE CLEANUP MAN AND SCORE THE SECOND HAND GARBAGE BASKETS THAT STILL COUNT IN A VICTORY, TEAGUE WILL BE THE POINT,AND THATS WHY HE NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO PENETRATE AND SCORE OR DISS TO THE BIG MEN, JAMALL IS STILL INSTANT HEAT OFF THE BENCH. THE OTHER 2 BIG MEN ARE ROLE PLAYERS THAT CAN BANG ON THE INSIDE (THATS WHAT KILLED THE HAWKS LAST SEASON) . IF TEAGUE CANNOT RUN THE POINT, BENCH HIM AND START WILL BYNUM, HE IS FAST AND HAS A BIG HEART. HE IS NOT SCARED OF THE INSIDE LIKE TEAGUE IS. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF COACH DREW FOLLOWS MY LEAD HERE, THE HAWKS WILL BE PLAYING IN THE CONFERENCE FINAL OR EVEN GOING TO THE FINAL AND AS LONG AS THE COACH DO NOT HAVE A DUMB,SILLY,STUPID SPELL AT NOT KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE GAME AND REALLY PAYS ATTENTION AND KNOWS HIS PLAYERS AND KNOWS HOW TO COACH. NOW TAKE THAT TO LEBRON. I’LL SEE HOW STUPID HAWKS MANAGEMENT REALLY IS WITHIN THE COMING WEEKS.

by ft. benning doughboy on Jul 9, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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