Atlanta Hawks Ownership stories fuel our Negative BS: A Peachtree Hoops Commentary
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jul 16, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
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The latest Atlanta Hawks ownership news? Ugh. Don't get me started....whoops too late.
Honestly, why bother trying to keep your chin up when the fairy tales you hear coming from the ASG mouth keep smacking it with a cartoonish frying pan? It's not negative BS, it's dejection over seeing the reality of this team's financial situation versus what ownership has tried to sell us: A storyline born out of, what to be kind can be described as, good intentions. They want a championship, they're just not sure they can afford one.
If you understand that Fanhouse report (linked above), MC's alert on the free agency matter, ownership's own track record on MLE, BAE, minimum effort in stocking the roster, and our own wailings about such things (podcasts, radio, etc.), then you're beginning to be aware that the Hawks aren't going to "add pieces" as promised after the signing of Joe Johnson for six years and are more likely to simply fill out the roster by signing one person from near the bottom of our free agent scoreboard and two more that likely didn't even merit inclusion. Refer to last year's "gets" Joe Smith, Jason Collins, and Mario West for historical reference.
As Mike Prada said earlier on Twitter, you can't spend 120 million dollars, money that will likely be bad by year 2 or at best year 3 of a 6 year deal, unless you plan on going over the tax to make the most of it and make a run. Couple that with the mind boggling decision to sell the 31st pick, a pick that may easily have been used to cheaply fill one of the three roster spots left, and provide some upside for multiple seasons, and you wonder why this group makes such conflicting decisions financially.
Now, instead of that roster spot being occupied by a young, potential filled, inexpensive asset that might grow with the team for 2 or 3 seasons, you are going to sign a low end, vet min player for one season, with little chance for additional chemistry...and he's more expensive.
Out of courtesy to Steve Holman, whom I respect, and others who are pleading to stop the emotional hemorrhaging of our raw emotions and just have patience, I will hope that Hawks GM Rick Sund can make an amazing trade that will send away some contracts (Crawford, Bibby, Marvin) for something more substantial than a second round pick or fast cash.
They may be working on something spectacular right now, for all I know. After all, as stated, I don't know what's really going on over there and I would prefer to hope versus completely throwing in the towel on this group (group meaning the ASG). If there is anyone there who wants to reach out to me and share, I'm all ears.
Otherwise, we are really putting a lot of expensive, second round ceiling eggs into the coaching basket to make the same roster somehow better...another odd, conflicting decision that ended with the league's least expensive coach left with such a prominent task.
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You're right on. What Atlanta's doing makes no sense.
Invest a ton of money in Joe Johnson, and then pinch pennies because you’re afraid of the tax? Listen, if you’re afraid of the tax, don’t sign marginal players to silly deals. It’s like they’re happy with winning 55 games and maybe a playoff series for 2 or 3 years. And then what? Because that’s this team’s ceiling. Given ownership’s unwillingness to spend, there isn’t money left to add a significant, rotation-caliber contributor. Where’s the improvement going to come from?
Magic beans, I guess
:-) Thanks for the comment, BQR. That’s exactly how we see it and there’s the frustration over here.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jul 16, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially when considering they could have signed say...
Matt Barnes, Ronnie Brewer, AND Anthony Morrow, for the same price over fewer years than Joe, and either allowed Joe to walk, or package him in a sign and trade to the cash flush and needing to spend Knicks or Bulls or Nets to address the C issue, or just had ready replacements for Marvin making the proposed deal of him for Shaq sound not quite as stupid (especially if it added Leon Powe too). Imagine, let Joe walk, sign the above mentioned 3, deal Marvin for Shaq and Powe, and how bad does this roster look compared to the current one, with the added flexibility to make moves going forward…
Bibby/Teague
Brewer/Jamal/Jordan
Barnes/Morrow/Mo
Smoove/Powe/Alade Aminu
Al/Shaq/Zaza
I’d take that 14 over the current 10, and it’s probably not only better but also cheaper.
Well, they couldn't have signed all of those players
because of cap rules. They were allowed to go way over the cap to keep Joe, but not to add new players.
Disagree...
Powe and Shaq are in the deal for Marvin, so cap doesn’t apply. And Brewer, Barnes, and Morrow are at a lot enough price it appears that two could have fit in the I believe it was said $8m if Joe walked since Morrow and Brewer are signing for about $4m a piece, and then you’ve got the MLE for Barnes. So it seems that could have easily worked under cap rules, especially if say Joe is moved in a sign and trade opening up a trade exception that could be used to bring on Morrow, or Barnes.
Should be low enough price, not lot...
and basically Bronn, I didn’t think that cap limit was much of a problem if the management was creative with their resources (i.e. the trade exception from Chill and potentially Joe, using Marvin or Smoove in a good deal to open space, or use Joe for needed pieces of front court depth instead of a trade exception if not both, letting Joe go gives us more leverage in potentially matching a Chill offer so maybe we coax Robin Lopez from Phoenix for him, you’ve got the MLE and Bi-annual exemption which wouldn’t be luxury tax problems if not for Joe’s massive deal too, etc, etc, etc). I’m shocked Brewer and Morrow were so cheap (under $15m total), and like said above, I think if we actually had some creativity and ingenuity in the front office, the idea that we had limited cap space without Joe to add was not near the problem it was made out to be.
TRADE EXCEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can I scream this any louder???
Overpaying Joe was NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
the only option, peoples.
I totally agree with your analysis thhb
To a certain extent, the fans cannot be blamed for not coming to games when the owners will not change what needs to be. I don’t believe that “signing” jj was the problem, the amount he was signed for is the issue. they(management) acts as if as constructed the ceiling for the team will get higher with minimum to no improvements. like you said, we don’t know what’s going on or what they’re thinking but I sure hope their planning a better move than the energizer bunny(west) and some override batteries(vets)
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Jul 16, 2010 5:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thank you, HG
It’s like I said, I don’t like the JJ deal for the long term, but if you think you can add some pieces and make a run, let’s enjoy it while JJ lasts. But to sit back after getting JJ and watch a lot of free agents come off the board that could add depth and fill some skill gaps we don’t have a lot of, after saying you would add pieces, and then to leak out that it’s just back of the line free agents you’ll sign to fill out the roster, it’s transparent to the fan base, as the poll is showing tonight.
Hey, I’ll ride it out and hope that Drew can make the offensive changes needed to raise our ceiling, I really believe that can happen, but would have liked to add rebounding and perimeter defense this offseason, given those weak spots in the team last year.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jul 16, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ultimately
This is going to cost us Al Horford. We’ll miss him much more than we’d have missed JJ over 6 years.
I think it will be Smoove gone and not Horford
It is still way to early to make these assumptions.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
A mid season move of Joe and Smoove to Dallas...
for Beaubois, Caron Butler, Tyson Chandler, and picks (or expiring salaries if that’s needed to make the #s work under the cap)?
Another Possibility is
They could fill out the bench with the 4 million and ride this year out. Then tell Horford to find the best deal he can and match it in restricted free agency. That might force a trade of Smoove or something of that nature. Jamal will come off the books also. I am far from a cap specialist but with a lock out looming and so many variables I am not ready to make a blanket statement that this will cost us Al Horford. It may be a less talented team that is around Al but at least through restricted free agency the Hawks hold the cards in terms of bringing him back. When he accepts the qualifying offer for one year, then and only then will I get worried.
I am afraid we know what our team will look like on opening day and it is very likely that it will look the same at the end of the season. The Hawks didn’t sign Joe to trade him in year one of the contract and it is highly unlikely that anyone will be looking to take on one of quote “The worst contracts in Atlanta Sports History”.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
It is not necessarily what I want to see happen but
I think it could be very likely.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
And it might not cost us either
With a labor stoppage coming who knows what will be different.
If it was me then I would have been shopping Josh hard because he is marketable, has a reasonable salary that makes him attractive, has a perceived high ceiling, but is far more unreliable than Horford. In other words I think we get more for Josh Smith than anyone else. In my honest opinion this should have been the second move after the Joe Johnson signing with hopefully a center and a point guard coming back in return in a package for Smith and whatever salary was needed to match.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
Jason Richardson in Phoenix for Josh Smith, straight up.
Come and get him! We’ll take Josh Smith and you can afford to resign Al Horford next year. Get yourself a center and you don’t need Smoove anyway.
And J-Rich isn’t a complete salary dump. You’ll get good production out of him for the year left on his contract.
Atlanta and Phoenix have a special relationship, right? You need money. And a center. And probably a point guard. And maybe a hug. We need more than one player who has heard of a rebound, preferably in the body of an actual power forward.
This deal does nothing for you this year (without a center), but you can’t afford to lose Al Horford. Everyone’s gonna want him. You’ll need money. I hope.
For those of you wondering out loud, Phoenix will not part with Robin Lopez or Goran Dragic. Phoenix considers them the likely future of the franchise.
Though can you imagine a lineup of Dragic, Johnson, Williams, Horford, and Lopez? Not too shabby for a young team.
If you're not parting with Lopez, you're not getting Smith
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 17, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think somebody is getting Smith.
Because I doubt you’ll keep two expensive power forwards after you eventually land a center.
There are other ways to get Atlanta a PG or C, in a 3 way trade.
Would you really rather have Bibby at PG, Smith at PF and Horford at C, or Horford at PF and a better PG and natural center?
We’ll see.
Taking Joe Johnson's contract?
Not even Cuban is crazy enough to do that.
You guys are probably stuck with that thing until 2015.
Take heart though. By then hoverboards and dehydrated pizza will take your mind off the pain.
Cuban was interested in a Joe Johnson sign and trade
But for less than the max and back when he had Dampier as a trade chip ready to move. The biggest contract of the off season will be a tough one to move.
Apparently
If I want tickets to see Miami, I need to buy them now. That whole “Decision” mess has actually made me care less about seeing LeBron James play basketball
It all starts, and to our demise, ends with the ownership
They are the ones making the deals and signing the checks. Steve Holman who is defending the Hawks Management, and rightfully so since they are the ones who write his paycheck, is completely off base when you think of what could have been with this many quality free-agents coming out and all you see the Hawks do is squander our draft picks, let go of a quality asset like Josh Childress who we could’ve gained more from at the Trade Deadline in February and ultimately sold low on for a 2nd rounder and some $, and ruined our future in terms of making any other moves free agent wise down the line by buying high on JJ. Unless they’re concocting some mind blowing trade with New Orleans for Paul that allows us to retain our core talent that we have then I have a right to be disappointed at this juncture of free agency
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 16, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions
Totally Depressing
and quite frankly, it’s embarrassing. How can you possibly justify financially handcuffing an organization if you’re not going to go all out and get a championship right now? I want to make some trades, but I don’t want it to include JC. I just can’t let him go right now. I think he offers this team that punch off the bench that most teams cannot match up against.
Bet it hit the rim!
Would you like some cheese?
Next time you should put the “I don’t know what’s really going on” at the start, it’ll save everyone some time. The FA market might be bleak, but the team has plenty of time to make a trade, so this article is shockingly premature. Is it not possible that ownership doesn’t want to exceed the cap … for Shaq?
Why is it so bad that they traded one of their second round picks for cash? They shouldn’t have even had that pick. Sund made a great move to 1) Get the guy they wanted at #24 and 2) Pay him. He could have taken Crawford at 24 and your fragile mind wouldn’t have been “boggled” would it?
A 2nd round pick isn’t going to get us over the championship hump, but the money we saved could help us get a veteran that can. So, you definitely need to settle down. With that trade exception from Pho we MUST make a trade within the year, so, I’d save your whining until the front office screws that up.
by Buzzsaw on Jul 16, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Until they screw up?
Do you really feel taking on JJ’s enormous salary was a thumbs up move?
Bet it hit the rim!
I disagree
The idea was that they traded away their second round pick in order to create money in order to sign veteran players but who says we need the bottom tier of free agent big’s? What if through the draft we added a big C to the roster who can potentially become a valuable asset like an Alabi who is doing decent in the Summer League rather then settling for aging veterans that dont produce. I’m not down with having 3 more Joe Smith’s or Jason Collins’s on the roster… This is the time where I think youth and athleticism out way th need of veteran guys
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 16, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Any idea as to who that mythical veteran might be that will get us over the hump?
Not sure if you have looked at the free agent list but most of the meaningful ones have signed on elsewhere. Especially the ones that ownership might go into the luxury tax with. There is still time to make a trade? Yes there is. At this point that is all that we can hope for.
I wasn’t necessarily against bringing Joe back but they should have had another move lined up to go along with it. To pay out the kind of money they are paying out now just to bring back the same team is ludicrous IMO.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
To be honest
Just because a team doesn’t choose a player in the first round, doesn’t mean second round players aren’t first round talent. There are many second round players getting way more PT than first rounders. Besides, wouldn’t selling a first round pick bring back more money than a second?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
The article was partly in reponse to reported issues around the Shaq proposal,
i.e., that ASG specifically did not want to go into the luxury tax. This after they reportedly justified the JJ contract by claiming that they were going to win now and “add pieces,” luxury tax be damned.
That is the crux of the story. The backstory is readily available…go check it out, Frances.
Sorry about the waste of time :-)
The funny part was that when Sund made the trade, as I wrote on draft night, I thought that it was THE move. We had plenty of options at 24, and it was the savvy move to trade back, pick up the extra pick, and have TWO young, inexpensive players under contract for a few years that can help to cheaply fill the roster in anticipation of the Hawks re-signing Joe.
Then they sold the pick, with most of the same options left on the board. They didn’t trade for a future pick or player to help the team today or in the future, they made a money grab. It flipped back to the same old, same old. We would like to make a move and bolster the team, we were in position to do so, but in the end we took the money.
Mark Bradley did say it well today, this, alas, is the way of the Spirit. These owners talk a decent game, and sometimes you start to believe them. But there’s no follow-through, and again you stop believing.
Glad you keep believing. So when they don’t use the exception in any way, then you’ll throw in the towel? That’s a year from now…you good with that?
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jul 16, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, we're not getting a starting calibar center in the 2nd round...
especially with Rick Sund drafting. You are blowing the selling the pick thing WAY out of proportion, we have plenty of backup centers.
I wasn’t suggesting we try and get a veteran FA, I’m just holding off on criticizing our ownership for being cheap until after the inevitable trade. After JJs max deal, you’d think there would be some sort of grace period before it started up again.
With a new super team in our division along with the Magic who have already thoroughly trounced our current lineup, a reasonable person would assume that we’re going to make a move before the season starts. If they don’t use that trade exception, then I’d be furious, but it’s ridiculously cynical to think they won’t. But I’m thrilled they weren’t dumb enough to exceed the cap for Shaq.
by Buzzsaw on Jul 17, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is everybody's love fest with Tyson Chandler?
He has shown me absolutely nothing in the games that I’ve seen him in. And he’s injury prone.
Bet it hit the rim!
absolutely nothing in the games that I’ve seen him
and games I havent seen him in.
So throwed that Randy Moss jumpin up couldn't even catch it
He blocks shots, rebounds and could work as the big next to Al...
not saying he’d be a first choice, but he wouldn’t be a bad player imo.
A salary that would come off the books at the end of the year...
just like Butler. We’d be the $30m, able to sign at least one if not two big timers to go with Al and whatever else we think needs to stay from the young core (Marvin or Smooth, Teague, Jordan Crawford, perhaps Sy or Gladyr, plus a likley lottery pick if we’re having a sell off trade like that).
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 16, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is option
I will not support if they don’t do as they say, we need another big time piece of we could be looking at a 6 seed at best. I really think Milwaukee and Chicago are right there with us or maybe better as of now. We need some big time pieces and I think Sund pulled his one and only trump card last year with Teague, hopefully his run will be coming to a end soon. Because I think, I will have enough money to become a minority owner of the Hawks before we get a starting level C and SF into this program.
sORRY
Pulled only trump card with the Crawford trade
by formerlyknowna on Jul 16, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember that trade
Completely unexpected, completely awesome, did wonders for the team.
I don’t remember hearing rumors before that happened.
Everybody calm down
This is the problem with an opinion-based medium such as tv, radio, or blogs.
An idea is set: “The Hawks Ownership group is cheap.”
Now, every piece of information that follows will fit into that idea regardless of it’s individual context.
- We promote an assistant as head coach…… because ASG is cheap.
- We trade down, save money, and sell a pick…….. because ASG is cheap.
- We don’t sign Shaq……. because ASG is cheap.
- We resign our free agent shooting guard to a max contract……… because…… um…….. THEY’RE AFRAID OF LOOKING CHEAP!
Take this information in stride. Everyone is freaking out because they see what the Heat (and nobody else) is doing. The Hawks are staying the course and not making dumb moves. Our team is better than it was last year. You should be happy. This should be a happy blog. Full of happy bloggers. Where are the happy bloggers?
BTW Everyone keeps mentioning they don’t want another Joe Smith or Jason Collins style signing. JS and JC really didn’t work out last year, but it’s arguable this was due to our dearly departed coach. Not to mention that last year both of those signings were met with positive reviews at the time. I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin.
How is the team better than last year, again????
When you can demonstrate how this team has gotten good enough to compete with the top teams in the conference AND NOT GET BLOWN OUT IN THE SECOND ROUND FOR THE THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR, perhaps there will be some happy blogging!!!
But do please stop peeing on our feet and telling us it’s raining. In other words…Go sell crazy someplace else, man, we’re all full up here.
Feet-peeing is gross!
And I am against it!
Look, the fact is that a heavy majority of our problems were due to poor decision making and poor coaching. It’s not like we had a severe personnel issue last year which caused us to under preform against the Magic. We do need to address the depth of this team, but the addition of Jordan Crawford and Jeff Teague (I pretty much consider Teague a new acquisition) gives us copious flexibility for possible trades and roster moves. Plus we still have three spots to fill before you can criticize how we rounded out the roster.
A common theme of the Hawk-fan’s inferiority complex also often has to do with the lack of “buzz” or rumors surrounding our team. People seem to think this means our front office is doing nothing. Yet just last offseason, our GM made the trade of the year without a hint of a rumor precessing the deal. The current state of sports media causes a lot of hyperbole and overreaction to news NOT happening. It’s the offseason. Relax. At least wait until preseason to tell the world we suck.
"It's not like we had a severe personnel issue against the Magic"?
What series did YOU watch??
Axhfan, your post reveals your muddy thinking here. On one hand you seem to think that changing coaches is all that’s needed. Then you go on to talk about how the front office might still be working on something.
In both cases you’re ignoring the obvious problems. The coaching may not have been great, but solid defensive and rebounding were the team’s biggest problem in the playoffs, and that has not been addressed (yet). Just look up the stats—in the Milwaukee series, correlate the Deer shooting percentage to who won; in the Orlando series, look at rebounding.
Poor perimeter defense and poor defensive rebounding are the culprits. The first is obvious, we all know about the defensive zeroes the Hawks have on the perimeter. The second is a problem of SIZE and it’s why Al Horford said what he did.
I’ve not even gotten to the chemistry issue that reared its head in the playoffs.
As far as the front office still working on something, well, you may be right, but THHB’s post outlines very clearly that all signs point toward something NOT happening.
I find it difficult to believe that any real observer could see this summer’s changes as significantly effective to allow this team to compete. Yes, they might be better offensively, but they will not be better defensively, and they will still be trampled by the Magic in every game they play with this lineup no matter what the coachspeak is.
Defense
Defense was our biggest issue in the Magic series. But if you look at Orlando’s series with the Bobcats, you’ll see Dwight limited despite the presence of a center anywhere near Horford’s stature. Or even league average status.
When it comes to our wing defense against the Magic; Woody’s defensive schemes (or scheme) never put our players in a situation to succeed. We were never able to commit to either Dwight or the shooters, allowing both to get off on us.
And when it comes to the Milwaukee series, you’re right to an extent.
Milwaukee’s shooting% do directly correlate with their wins. But what you fail to realize is that their change in shooting% directly correlates with adjustments made by their coach.
We still may make player moves, but that should not be the focus of the offseason. Our coaching was the biggest issue throughout the season and playoffs.
without improving the front court depth in addition to the current crop...
and I mean adding legit, rotation quality players like Shaq, Craig Smith, Matt Barnes, Josh Howard, Richard Jefferson, Tim Thomas, Brad Miller,Kurt Thomas, etc, then we are no better than next year. We need to be willing to go into the luxury tax using the MLE, Bi-annual exemption, the trade exemption, and anything else we can use to bring in at least two players of that level. We need more than we currently have, primarily backing up SF, PF, and C.
by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 16, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's too soon to worry about that
It’s not like everybody is signed and and we’re left with nothing. All of the players you mentioned are available. We still have AT LEAST three more players coming in. If those spots aren’t filled properly, then freak.
Can we stop talking about DEALING SMOOVE OR HORFORD??
I mean come one guys really?? Enough with the stupid crap…Marvin, Bibby, Zaza….they can be dealt. Let’s at least try to keep our good players.
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
-Michael Jordan, #23
by King_of_Hearts on Jul 16, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No, we can't.
Because the Hawks have two valuable players who play the same position but lack a center or a PG. In order to get real contending talent you have to give up something good, generally. This is not baseball we’re talking about—there are no fire sales.
Huh?
I think I said “two players who play the same position”—as in Horford is a PF, friend, not a center. The fact he made the all-star game is indicative of the severe lack of decent centers anywhere more than anything—but he clearly has PF skills, size, and game and not recognizing that is just not understanding the game.
Okay so he's not a legit center
Just better than a large majority of centers. I wish there was a word for that. Like elite.
"Elite' means the best of the best...it doesn't mean "above average."
There would be no talk of getting a big man if anybody thought Horford was a permanent solution at the 5.
The best…
Pau
Yao
Duncan—come on. The guy is NOT a PF—almost everything he does is back to basket or rotating through the lane.
A Bynum
Howard
Bogut
the second tier—I put Al here…
B Lopez
Noah
Kaman
K Perkins
Okafor
Chandler
Haywood
Gortat
Okur
Nene
Not ready for prime time…
Dampier
Camby
Shaq
K Brown
Biedris
R Lopez
I have a hard time believing that Al is better than, say, Brendan Haywood. He’s certainly not better than Kaman or Noah. There’s no way you can convince me that he impacts the game like that top tier group do.
Camby should be second tier
What he did for Portland by giving them a big body presence in the low post and essentially helped saving their season (With much help from Roy and Aldridge) by sending them to the playoff is spectacular. He does what C’s are suppose to do which is block shots and rebound and is pretty damn good at both too. No matter what system he’s in. Can’t really say that for Chandler or Okur
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 17, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give on that.
I only had him lower because he is so old.
How about a list of PFs who play more like Al than the centers listed above?
Jermaine O’Neal
LaMarcus Aldridge
Al Jefferson
Antwan Jamison
Kevin Garnett
Bosh
That’s not all, I’m sure…while I’m at it, can I point out that JOSH SMITH PLAYS MORE LIKE A CENTER THAN AL HORFORD DOES?
Heres the problem with your "true center" argument
Two of those listed as “the best” (Pau and Duncan) consider themselves power forwards. Also, that list in general just shows that you really don’t know what you’re talking about when evaluating centers. No way Bynum is a top-5 center, or better than Horford, just because he’s big.
Horford belongs with that group. He can match these guys night-in night-out. To say otherwise is a joke.
Off base and in full freak out.
It completely remains to be seen what additional roster moves Sund can pull off.
Could be...
I guess my question would be when do you begin to feel as if they won’t be improving the roster from last year and what will that mean to you?
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jul 16, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
However
I think the moves Miami made with attaining Lebron, Wade, and Bosh is significantly causing Hawks fans to become less patient with the Hawks’ slow and deliberate off season moves. Miami is moving like they know what they want. Although it does help that they have the “3 amigos”. Seems like guys are flocking to Miami, Boston, etc., or playoff caliber teams not named Atlanta Hawks. I ain’t tripping off this off season stuff.(yawn) All about the bball action for me. No one knows what’s gonna happen until it happens.
The Hawks may or may not get some impact players. All I know is although I’m a fan I have no say so in the final decision, the only thing I can do is talk about it and hope. So whatever. Here’s hoping everything works out for the best.
♥Go Hawks!♥
Folks it's not really about Shaq.
It’s about history. Can’t blame folks for being disappointed.
by Fan Scribe Chris on Jul 17, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
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But we’re also easily swayed
We are the angry mob
We read the papers every day
We like who we like and we hate who we hate,
But we’re also easily swayed.
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Fact.
by Jesse28 on Jul 19, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The ASG is battering me
To the point of not renewing my season tickets anymore with these contradicting moves. I’ve held season tickets 6 of the last 7 years (I boycotted a year when they drafted Shelden Williams as I told them I would prior to that draft if they did something that stupid). Overpaying Joe when you don’t have the money to even make a run at improving the team’s roster was a worse mistake than Shelden.
Do they think that it was all Mike Woodson’s fault? Because right now that’s the only thing they’ve changed. I didn’t like his coaching, but even I don’t think it was all his fault.
Unless Larry Drew and Jeff Teague both amaze this year I’m forced to hope that Joe gets dealt by the trading deadline because his contract and the ASG wallets spell another wasted decade (and I don’t have that many more left in me).
Paul
Go make the dill and be done with it. If they stand pat and not try will show there not trying to win. We have the players to make this happen get it done.
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