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Count your blessings.

The ups and downs of being a fan of a team is something that should be expected and ultimately embraced. We all want to see our team win and make the moves that we deem successful and that are in the best interest of the team. But let's not kid ourselves, things could be worse.

Would you want to be a Cavaliers fan right now? Your star player stayed with you without much back-and-forth drama.

Would you want to be a Pistons fan right now ... unsure if your favorite team will remain in the city you love?

This summer has included:

  • A 7-game first round playoff series that shouldn't have gone that long.
  • Joe Johnson calling out the home town fans and then taking the big money to remain in the city with those fans. Who can blame him for taking the money though, right?
  • A total thrashing in the second round by the hands of the Magic.
  • Rumors of the franchise being for sale, though we found out the principals are simply looking for minority investors.
  • The selling of draft picks that most fans believe could've been used for developing young depth at the bigs and the drafting of Pape Sy, who is obviously more of a guard who's simply tall for his position.
  • The trading of Josh Childress for a second rounder and a trade exception.

With all that said, there are things to be happy (or satisfied) about.

More after the jump...

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Give him credit. Joe gambled and he won. He got the contract of his dreams. The ASG said all along that they would do whatever it takes to keep Joe in Atlanta, and they did. While the contract appears to strangle the Hawks from making more needed moves, the words from the executives were still of continued building. We haven't seen that, but at the minimum we know the Hawks won't be dismantled by the loss of their franchise player.  Look around people... every other team with big name free agent(s) save the Heat, Mavericks, Grizzlies and Celtics have lost a huge contributor or franchise player this summer. If the ASG's word mean anything, there's more help to come.

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Was Larry Drew the cheap hire? Monetarily, yes. Do I believe the man has good ideas on how to the make the offense less iso-heavy? Definitely, yes. Do I think a more movement based offense will be better for this team in the long run? Oh hell yes. My only concern is that he doesn't over organize. With players like Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Jeff Teague, Jamal Crawford and Jordan Crawford, being able to allow them to utilize their athleticism and natural player instincts is what made the Hawks a dangerous offensive team from night to night. A little structure will help get more people involved and won't allow opposing defenses to get settled and suffocate the playmakers. Let's just hope there's not an information and philosophy overload that will cause push back and negative results similar to what we saw in Phoenix with Terry Porter. Of course Atlanta and Phoenix have different pieces and strengths so the example isn't quite the same. I'm simply speaking on the principle of change. Change in moderation will do wonders for this team on offense. While we didn't see the Hawks' top talent running the new system last night in Summer League action, I enjoyed watching the various moving parts attempt to execute the new offense.

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I don't put too much stock into Summer League performances, but I'd like to think I know how to read between the lines. There's three things that you cannot discount when looking at a player on the court ... their comfort level, confidence and eagerness to lead. I saw all three in Jeff Teague last night versus the Grizzlies. If he can continue on the positive path that I see him taking, he will be making Hawks fans happy for a long while.

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In a couple seasons, Rick Sund and crew won't be remembered for selling draft picks in 2010. Acquiring Jordan Crawford at #27 value was an excellent decision. His shooting ability, athleticism and confidence were never the question, but he seemed to answer a couple more last night in his first Summer League appearance. His highlight passing skills were very impressive. I didn't expect to see him make plays for others, but he showed some flashes of being able to do so. He also worked hard on defense. I'm sure The Ghost of Woody was quite proud. Barring any early season injuries, it will be tough for him to get much playing time early on. Depending on the standings at the trade deadline, the expiring contract of Jamal Crawford will be easier to move because of this young talent. Lastly, I agree with the PTH commenter xavip from last night, let's not call him JC2 because he'll be making his own mark.

Sure there's room for improvement all. I'm sure every franchise and their fans feel the same. Our goal at Peachtree Hoops is to be a motivator for success and I think we do that quite well. Our voice is strong and we're getting more reach every day. We aren't here to rain on the parade daily with our opinions. We just strive for the fan's voice to be heard and considered as a whole. We're thankful for the accomplishments of the team and the prospects of more success in the future, but we also refuse to be apathetic.

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Ya know

There’s this fellow that plays the five for the Hawks right now. I hear he’s like All-Star good, so you guys might want to look him up…

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 14, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Could be worse

Minnesota just gave away Al Jefferson for a Trade Exception

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 13, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't see the picks but knew there almost had to be more

still no players coming back at all

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 13, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

PFs - Love and Beasley...

Center – Darko and Ryan Hollins… They should AT LEAST have tried to get Ronnie Price or something.

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jul 13, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would think

They got Jefferson for KG. Still it may turn out to be a good deal but it is the same kind of deal that we talked about on the podcast yesterday. It is not one where as a fan you can see a tangible return.

They better hope Kevin Love is good because I liked Jefferson a lot.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 13, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

they wanted salary relief, not players...

with Flynn and Session, Ellington and Brewer, Webster and Johnson, Love and Beasley, Milicic and Petrovic (?), they’ve got a roster and just wanted the salary relief.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 14, 2010 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed but

It goes back to what we were talking about earlier. How would you like it if we gave away a Josh Smith for salary relief and just got picks back in return? Jefferson was arguably there best player.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 14, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we had Anthony Randolph showing promise behind him...

like Love did behind Jefferson, or if the team was a very young one anyway trying to build for 5 years from now, it’d be a different situation than the Hawks are in now with Smoove.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 14, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes it could be worse. if jj would have left people would have said he deserted his team so I'm satisfied

Except for our big situation. we need a big and a pf. I love my hawks and would still watch them If they were the worst team in the nba(basketball gods forbid). go hawks!

IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.

by Hawksgirl on Jul 13, 2010 6:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't know

I feel that most, at least here, would have been more inclined to say, “Buh-bye!”

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 14, 2010 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

With the Mavs getting Chandler

I believe we are unquestionably the #1 suitor for the big Diesel’s services. So our center problem might be fixed shortly. Plus Shaq is always a fan favorite and is guaranteed to improve ticket sales. I think for the next 2 years he can contribute a solid 20-25 minutes off the bench behind Horford (playing with Horford sometimes as well).
I’d love it if the mgmt made some more big moves but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they sign Shaq, fill out the roster with min salary players, and call it an offseason.

by IWillPartyHard on Jul 13, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be satisfied with that.

If this is what’s happening and what will happen, props to the ASG for letting the market determine Shaq’s value and not jumping in too fast and offering him more than he’s “worth.” But yes, Shaq’s options are getting mighty thin. The City of Atlanta is ready to welcome him to town. I know I am. Plus, the party scene will get a boost too :)

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jul 13, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are a very good team

We always seem to forget this. This post is great because it reminds us of the great position we are in. The media is so hard on the Hawks. The criticize the resigning of Joe, but if he had left they would criticize the franchise for not being able to hold onto it’s star. Dirk got resigned for similar per season money, for a shorter time, but he is older. You don’t hear any ‘worst contract ever’ from the media about that (not to mention Drew Gooden, Hakim Warrick, etc).
Fans are also hard on the Hawks, and we will always be like that because we are fans. Whether you started following 2 seasons ago or whether you remember the signing of Moses Malone (are the Shaq rumors Moses revisited?) the drafting of Anthony Avent, the weird singing of John Bagley, or the Adam Keefe years. We are hard on the team because we care about getting better, playing well, and winning.
But we also need to look at the positives too- which is why this was a great post. It could be much worse and it has been much worse.
Forgetting the post-season, we lost a swag of games we should have won last year. We could have won 58-60 games.
We have the entire core returning with Drew promising to right the wrongs he saw. The competition may have got better in the East, but a lot of teams have got much worse. We need to add some more bench players- and fast before the remaining talent is snapped up.
The Hawks faced so much criticism after the Orlando series, and I am sure that the players will be pretty focussed on coming back strong this year.
Chemistry will be the thing- the talent is there.
It is now about chemistry, chemistry, chemistry!

by Travis Mays on Jul 13, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I have always thought

Count your blessings was right next to shut up and be happy or quit complaining. I am not a complainer I just state what I perceive to be the truth

by formerlyknowna on Jul 13, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad your perception is horrible

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 14, 2010 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know....

With all the project centers floating around Minnesota these days, you’d think somebody at ASG could come up with a nifty deal to snag one or two….Make use of an extra 2nd round pick, trade away a useless asset to us that would be useful to them (a guard or forward?)….Make it happen Ricky S!

by BrittishAnger on Jul 13, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

We are a good team that will be better with a big man

People make big deal out of Chilz going to Arizona land. Chilz is never going to be a key part of any team in NBA., he is an energy guy. Should have never been a lottery pick, just another bad BK pick. Marvin is times better than him.

Hawks will prove again they are better than people giving them credit for.

Already, people saying Cows are better. Heat are better. Knicks are better. Celtics are better (for crying out loud they could not win a game against the Hawks, and they are older now). And then there is Charlotte and Wizards and .deer. Hawks will prove they are top 3 again. May be top 2. There is only one team in the East for sure better, that is Orlando. Heat,. jury is out.

Go Hawks

by ATLpaul on Jul 13, 2010 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

None of this means anything without inside help. All the moves except for Joe have bben strictly about money. Including the coach. If anyone thinks Drew was the best choice you’re blind or foolish.

The pursuit of a big and that result determines the season in 2010-2011.

by The Real Hawk on Jul 14, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

How can you be so sure?

You haven’t seen Drew and his offensive/defensive strategy, so why you so quick to judge? So I guess you’re one of those types that would overpay Woody who clearly had reached his ceiling. Your point is blind and foolish. If you think a big is the savior of the team, you don’t know a thing about this Hawks team…..

by Anonymous HawksGuy on Jul 14, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on the idea that Drew is TBD...

although on paper right now, he certainly isn’t as impressive as say Byron Scott or Avery Johnson. But I’d agree on the need to add up front. That is all we really lack, frontcourt depth. We’ve got loads of options on the outside now, with Marvin at the 3, Mo able to back up both wings, Joe at SG, some combo of Bibby, Teague, and Jamal at the point, Jamal a starting caliber SG, and then Jordan Crawford looking like a legit player at the 2. That’s some solid backcourt depth, especially if ASG is willing to use all 15 potential roster spots and bring in an NBDL type young G, such as Sundiata Gaines, Sherron Collins, Jon Scheyer, etc. But we lack a legit backup to Marvin (all due respect to Mo Evans, who is a very good bench player, but he’s undersized and out of place against starting 3s), and a lot more than just Zaza behind the 4 and 5. We need 3 more players imo, and preferably two more that can be bounced between the end of the bench and D League (young guys like the Gs mentioned above, and a big like Garrett Siler, Alade Aminu, even RandMo, etc).

Options for the 3 depth spots include:
SF—Tim Thomas, Matt Barnes, Rodney Carney, Josh Howard, Rasual Butler, Damien Wilkins, Jarvis Hayes, Adam Morrison
PF—Craig Smith, Shelden Williams, Josh Boone, Sean May, Kurt Thomas, Jared Jeffries, Brian Scalabrine
C—Shaq, Ben Wallace, Rasho Nesterovic, Anthony Tolliver, Brad Miller, Joel Anthony

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 14, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

questions dont get answered in summer league :)

Right now we dont even have minutes to give Jordan we dont have a true center and thats was our biggest weakness when the season ended and it still is today while our biggest comeptitors have all added more quality veteran players

Celts – add Oneal after adding Robinson at the deadline
Heat – gag reflex
Bulls -Boozer and shooters
Bucks -Maggette,Gooden
Knicks – Felton and Amare

We have a lot of work to do to keep pushing forward and its no time to pat ourselves on the back or stop and smell the roses unless somehow we are content which I would hope we are not.

by Hoopforia on Jul 14, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Ummm...

If you know how to evaluate talent and not just track box scores, you CAN answer questions in Summer League. For example… If you couldn’t see the raw skill of Roddy Beaubois last summer for Dallas, you weren’t really watching. He was a late 20s draft pick and will be starting alongside Kidd this year. With a LITTLE foresight, you can determine the path of things. It’s not hard.

No one is saying the Hawks can stand pat… my piece didn’t utter the such one iota. All I’m saying is that there’s still pieces out there that can help. We know this ownership group is being ultra frugal and it’s obvious they aren’t going to be the aggressors in any deal. They WILL add some pieces I’m sure but it will be the result of scavenger hunting after Cuban and the other big spenders do their thing.

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jul 14, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

anybody seen this?

- The Cleveland Cavaliers’ pursuit of Hawks swingman Marvin Williams centers at the moment on trying to convince the Hawks to do a sign-and-trade deal that would send Shaquille O’Neal to Atlanta, according to a league source.

by frootbooty on Jul 14, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

as much as we need a big

I don’t know that I’m for trading a 24 year old for a near 40 year old Shaq

by frootbooty on Jul 14, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If this is true...

Losing Josh Childress hurts even more. There’s really no reason to make this trade. Negotiate with Shaq sans Cleveland’s involvement. Boo!

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jul 14, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

In my opinion we can't do that

If that is the only move, that clearly reads that we would be moving Josh Smith to the SF position and probably starting Shaq. This move would basically remove the only small forward on our roster.

I would offer Shaq whatever I was going to offer him and tell Cleveland to forget about a sign and trade. If Shaq doesn’t want it then we move on.

Of course if I read somewhere that we are bringing in Matt Barnes or someone then my mind could change somewhat.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 14, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

So make the trade and sign Barnes, and we're still needing better backups...

Bibby/Teague/Jamal
Joe/Crawford 1 and 2
Barnes/Mo
Smoove/Zaza
Al/Shaq

Not bad, but would like another big in the mix and a better backup SF (maybe they include Powe or Hickson as backup PF, maybe Jamario Moon as backup SF). I’d guess under this scenario, we are giving Barnes around the 5/30 mid level deal so many others are getting.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 14, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

would agree...

although if we could get back something else worthwhile like JJ Hickson or Leon Powe, that wouldn’t be as bad. But there’s not really much left on the market as far as starting caliber 3s for that deal to make sense (when including dumping Chill). Maybe Marvin and Bibby for Delonte West, Shaq, and Powe/Hickson. But still, it doesn’t make much sense from our side. Shaq isn’t bad, but he’s not worth Marvin.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 14, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't mind seeing Hickson

but they aren’t giving him up for Marvin. If we trade Marvin then WE HAVE to get a starter back at SF. I like Powe but can he come in and start? Personally I don’t want any part of Delonte West. Varajeo is about the only player the Cavs have that I would want. Again that is just my opinion.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 14, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Byron Scott loves Hickson

So yea… you’re right… Hickson isn’t going anywhere. Scott wants to start him over Antawn I’m hearing.

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jul 14, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just read that

Says Jamison will come off of the bench

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 14, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just say Bibby for West...

in that he’s younger, better defensively, and his contract is up after this year.

Otherwise, I think we are in much agreement that the Cavs just aren’t a good fit with us for a trade. Maybe if a 3rd party is included, then it could work, but otherwise it makes no sense. I think Powe would be a good backup 4 behind Smoove, more skilled than Zaza. But they don’t have any potential starting SFs, the best they got are Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon, who are backups at best. That’s why it ONLY makes sense if they already have a deal in place with Matt Barnes (since he and Brewer are the only starting caliber SFs without a deal in place imo).

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 14, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus

D.West is arguably the funniest player in the NBA.

by axhfan on Jul 14, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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