Goodbye Josh Childress, Sign and Trade with the Phoenix Suns
by Kris Willis on Jul 12, 2010 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintFirst reported by ESPN, then Adrian Wojnarowski, and finally confirmed by Michael Cunningham. The Hawks have agreed to a sign and trade deal that will send Josh Childress to the Phoenix Suns in exchange for a second round pick and a trade exception.
Childress will reportedly sign a six year deal worth around 30 million dollars. As MC explains in his post, the trade exception would be worth about half of Childress' starting first year salary. It would enable the Hawks to be over the cap and make a trade while having some leeway in terms of the salary matching requirement.
Childress has until Thursday to opt out of his Greek deal so expect this to get finalized very soon.
Personally I would have liked to have seen Josh back with the Hawks at some point but I guess there just wasn't enough mutual interest from both sides to make that happen. I think all hope of Childress coming back was over way back when Mo Evans decided not to opt out of his contract.
We'll keep you updated all day if any new details come about.
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Sad way to end things
but i wish childress the best. he was never appreciated by the front office as much as he was by the fans.
hopefully we’ll be able to make good use of the pick and TE in the future.
by Bryant Singleton on Jul 12, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions
Glad Chill is back...
…but sad that it’s not with us. The contract is a ridiculously low deal for a player of Chillz talents, especially when considering that he is way more productive that players like Travis Outlaw and Wesley Matthews, who both received similar deals this offseason.
I had called it in our podcasts and I think, deep down, we all know that, despite all of our cap holds and hanging onto his rights, we would eventually give him away.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jul 12, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions
good to see him come back though not with us
I love chillz although when he went overseas I lost a little love for him because I felt he just left the hawks. but this is a business and I will always respect him and wish him well
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Jul 12, 2010 7:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
So what?
we wern’t gonna match, which left no incentive for the Suns to send a player our way. Be happy we got something that will be put back into the team.
That's the problem
It won’t be put back into the team. When’s the last time we drafted a second round player and he made the roster? You’re right, we got something, but that something will eventually amount to a whole lot of nothing because this ownership has shown time and time again that it has no interest in using the second rounf of the draft for anything other than saving money.
If you sold your wife’s car for a box of crayons, would you tell her not to complain because she could draw pretty pictures with the crayons? C’mon man.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
What are you talking about
Pape Sy and Gladyr are here with the team being developed, despite the fact they probably wont be playing in the NBA for a few years. It wouldn’t make sense for them to play this season. It has nothing to do with the owners being cheap. David Anderson was traded for another future 2nd because it wasn’t Sund’s guy and he actually thought Mike would use Joe Smith last year.
Plus, the trade exception alone makes this a good trade. We’re lucky we got anything for a player whose contract we were not going to match.
That is if we use the exception for a player instead of letting it rot...
as we can certainly choose to do. I’d agree with bringing Sy and Gladyr over next year when we don’t have to buy them out. Right now, we still need another SF, PF, and C.
Answer this then?
If teams like Phoenix, San Antonio, and Utah (who are perennial playoff teams by the way) were all interested in Childress then why not simply match? If playoff teams wanted him could the Hawks not use him? The owners already said they would go into the tax to make the team better. Would this not be making the team better? That contract wasn’t that big. for a guy with the intangibles that Childress brings.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
That is some horrible logic
Wanting a player just because others want him is not good decision making or evaluating.
also….
1. We don’t know if Childress wanted to come back to Atlanta.
2. Chilly would still want to start over Marvin. If Coach Drew wasn’t willing to do that, then it would have caused serious issues.
3. According to Cunningham, Phoenix was the only team willing to give Josh that large a contract.
We got enough shooters coming off the bench. We need defensive specialists. And stop looking at Utah and the Spurs as the Holy Grail of basketball. We’re better then both of those teams. Stop with the Atlanta basketball inferiority complex. It’s tiring.
Is it really that horrible
We might be better than both of those teams right now but look historically. Salary Caps haven’t hurt those teams. They have stayed at the top through outstanding player moves, those two teams in my opinion should be the blueprint for a lot of other NBA teams.
I will give you this though because you touched on something that we didn’t really talk about in the pod cast. If Childress let the Hawks know that he didn’t want them to match then yes you are probably right that we were lucky to get something out of the deal. If Childress said that and we matched he could have went back to Greece for one more year.
Again I have read nothing of the sort on Childress’ preference but you do raise a valid point here.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
Hate to see J Chill leave
He could have been of great use to the Hawks…..
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Jul 12, 2010 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
A 2nd rd pick are Freakin' kidding me!!!!!!
we couldn’t get Earl Clark….they have a ton of forwards…he would be great on our bench
As it stands, the Hawks can sign two players for the vet's min and use almost all of the TPE...
while still avoiding the lux tax.
Bigs who might be available for that TPE:
NJN – Humphries
DAL – Najera
DET – Wilcox
MIN – Hollins
PHI – Smith
IND – Jones
Yuck.
is that it ...aaawww maaannn!!!!
If i had to pick one it would be Wilcox …..what about Tim Thomas?? or kurt Thomas…to be honest Al couldn’t do jack against Kurt Thomas in the Playoffs…..that’s a strong dude…maybe he could teach Al how to handle Howard better
I wouldn't mind adding Kurt Thomas
I hated him in that Milwaukee Series but this is one smart player that could have a positive influence on our young bigs. Also he could give us some quality minutes as well
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/
by Kris Willis on Jul 12, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even think it will be worth this much.
It is supposed to be half of his first year salary. Five million per year for six would be simple math, but I am assuming he is getting raises so his first years salary will probably be somewhere in the three million dollar range so half of that.
somewhere around 1.5 million or something.
Half his first-year salary or his previous salary, whichever is greater.
The latter will be greater.
Salary Crunch
Have you seen ESPN’s Salary Crunch widget… pretty depressing for most working fans. http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/salary/index?athleteId=5343380
DAMN You Sund!!!
Oh well… I wouldve love to see what atleast one year of Chills wouldve brought in the Larry Drew era. With Teague running the floor I’m pretty sure he wouldve been his go to slasher… I’m still not changing my screenname THE AFRO LIVES ON!!!
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jul 12, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
We didn't want him and we had to move him to free up the cap space for someone er do want...
If we forfeited his rights, we would have got nothing. Something > Nothing everytime…
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
Aww
I hope Sund uses the new pick well
Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.
This is sad.
We should have signed Chilldress and let Joe walk. We would still be about 5 million under the cap by doing this, which we could have used towards someone like Hinrich. The hawks have talent, they just have badly misaligned talent. When your best players are bigs, you need a PG who can get them the ball. We could have gotten a piece or some picks in a JJ s&t also. When all is said and done I think chill will have been more productive than JJ over the duration of his contract and at a fraction of the cost. Sund is such a moron. How long is he gonna live off that Allen/Payton trade, he is such a horrible GM.
wait he has a knew one in the Jamal Crawford trade.
but I think you are right. I really wish we could have seen chillz back in our jerseys cause he made so many smart plays him and Al were great together.
If Billy was still here Chillz would be here. Josh would be gone, Joe would be gone. Woody would be gone. Mike Would be gone. and Lebron James and Amare Stoudemire would be here.
-pure conjecture
do you really think Chills over Joe makes us better????
Joe is 5x better than Josh C….Josh is a good player but c’mon…if the Hawks were putting Hinrich, JoshC, Josh S, Marvin, Horford on the floor…they would be the Pacers
by Cmart34 on Jul 12, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i mean i was being really sarcastic, but
i don’t think Billy would have signed Joe to a max deal at all. so he probably wouldn’t be here and knowing billy it would have been a sign and trade.
Now i never said anything about a better team or a better player, but I do know that if Joe Johnson is not signed to the second largest deal in the NBA we don’t have to worry about signing Al Horford next year, which I am actually worried about.
How funny would it be if we signed and traded Al Horford.
…. not funny at all
Anyway we can threaten to match an force them to make it Robin Lopez instead?
He’d be great as the shot blocker and rebounding backup C to Al.
no way they give up lopez
I think Lawal would have been the only fit other than Lopez, but I don’t know if the Hawks wanted him or if the Suns would give him.
The Hawks are doing there level best to drive me away
I hate every move the Hawks have done this offseason. Following this trend, I fully expect Shaq’s extremely round butt to be in a Hawks uniform, complaining about playing time and touches.
A second round pick, eh?
So basically, we’re forfeiting Josh Childress for a bit of cap room.
This is good news for the Phoenix Suns-Childress is going to be a great fit for them and what they like to do. Another guy who can run the floor and finish at the basket, a solid passer and a pretty good ball handler. Childress’ bet fit is on teams that look to score more in transition than in the half-court since he doesn’t really help spread the floor, but he’s at least a decent shooter from three. Plus, they’ve got their own share of shooters who can spread the floor.
Hate to bring it up again, but, mercifully, the Billy Knight era is winding down....
The draft mishaps become more and more mind-boggling the further away we get from them.
Three straight lottery picks wound up turning into Josh Childress, Shelden Williams and Marvin Williams.
It would have been hard for an 87 year old lady, flown in from Bangladesh on draft night and given a list of potential picks, to have done any worse than Atlanta did.
Yes, Boris Diaw in ’03 and Josh Smith in ’04 were pretty nice pulls, but the real kicker is not having a single pick in the ’08 draft.
There have really only been a handful of good GM’s in NBA history. Maybe one day the Hawks will luck up and get one of them?
by Fred Pen on Jul 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hope you’re kidding because Childress will never make an All-Star team, much less blossom into a superstar.
look what seve nash did to crappy players
childress is actually decent, I hate to see what happens
So throwed that Randy Moss jumpin up couldn't even catch it
I don't understand the hate for the deal
Chillz wasn’t coming back and I thought everyone had that feeling and to be honest, he dissapointed in Greece. I didn’t think he was a better player than Marvin and only slightly better than Mo. So the best thing to do is trade him plus we have JC2 who needs minutes and Chillz would have cut into those few minutes he will play this season. And as far a big on Phoenix’s roster the aren’t letting Lopez go especially since Frye is more of a PF than C. Let’s see what Sund does to fill out the rest of the roster.
by xavip on Jul 12, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
me either..
I don’t understand it either..Chillz did not want to be here…and there is a good chance we would not have matched..so getting the Trade exception is the best we could do at that point..people’s pie in the sky notions of what we could get for him were just never realistic..time will tell how we use the trade exception..they can be pretty handy if used properly and in the right deal…time will tell
A late round draft pick having ample time to play is never a good thing because that means we don’t have a bench. Which was a big argument last year that I don’t agree with, but you talking about boosting a bench to new heights by bringing in Josh Chillz and Jamal Crawford and Mike Bibby and Zaza and now all of a sudden are bench is listening decent. the stock piling of players is necessary. NECESSARY because you increase trade pieces, competition, and security. This is why Salim, royal and even chillz had a hard time with Woody. And I know two of the first are MIA, but really Woody locked players into a role and it didn’t matter how hard you competed or challenged that role. that was the role you were given and expected to stay in.
so yes it is a problem an asset was turned into a present lost, but I am optimistic for a future gain
i won’t go looking for a player because really there is always a way and a better trade to be made.
What would I have gotten for Chillz? nothing I am not a GM because if I was I would have called him straight up apologized and “offered him a contract that is longer and less than Marvin Williams” and moved on with life. (got that from hoopinion didn’t occur to me at all) and if he wanted more a little more and if he wanted a little more a little more.
And if not I trade him to a team that has no problem over paying for him cause they got money and they need to spend it, but like I said
I am optimistic about a future gain. I really think Sund has a plan. I hope.
Well, well, well
It didn’t take long for JJ’s contract to rear it’s ugly head. Should we be mad at JJ, ASG, or both? Should JJ have taken less money? Who am I kidding? I would have taken the money offered to me. He can’t help ASG is poorly run, but I would have hoped he would have chosen to win over his bank account. His bank account was already fat.
Bet it hit the rim!
this move is a pattern from Sund's drafting
giving away something for nothing but promises.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
We need players that can play.
I hope that Sund doesn’t wait and sign no one until the last minute like last season. And we need guys who can play, not have a free seat to watch on the bench all year. Collins, are you serious? Being a Gm in Atlanta must mean you don’t have to be smart. We need to make a move bad.Cut your losses and trade Marvin and someone else for a decent big, who can rebound the ball, score down low and play defense please!!! Also there are some good vets out there who will take that minimum. I still would take Stackhouse over Marvin any day even at 35. Earl Baron is another big who can play.He is a free agent 7’0 245 will be 29 he may not be a starter but an inexpensive piece and better than Collins. Sund get serious man. I’m sure between me and some people on here, we can more than handle your job. Don’t round out our roster get guys who can play damn it.
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