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Bold Moves: Joe Johnson Set to Sign With Hawks for Max Deal

With Joe Johnson set to accept the Atlanta Hawks max offer of six years at between 119 and 124 million, Hawks nation has been turned upside down by the move. It also seems to have caught the rest of the league by surprise as no one thought that the Hawks ownership group would actually offer him the max deal. Remember this is the same group that nearly split apart over the sign and trade deal that brought Joe to Atlanta in the first place. 

If Hawks ownership really wanted Johnson back then they did exactly what they had to do. Johnson's camp allegedly was requesting the max and the Hawks jumped to the front of the line and made their intentions known at the beginning of free agency. As has been reminded throughout the time leading up to free agency, if it came down to money then the Hawks would always have the last say because they could by rule offer the most. Now it remained to be seen whether they could actually afford to do so but by Salary Cap rules they could offer the most. 

Surprisingly the Hawks did just that as Rick Sund met with Johnson and his agent to deliver the offer and his sales pitch. Johnson has met with other teams but barring something coming out of left field in the form of a sign and trade, Joe Johnson will once again be an Atlanta Hawk. 

More reaction and what the organization is thinking and should be thinking after the jump.

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I had not been blogging long at Soaring Down South when I was invited to bloggers night with many of our contemporaries in the blogging community. We were treated to a credentialed visit to a game at Phillips Arena and a sit down question and answer session with Hawks GM Rick Sund. Being the complete rookie that I was I just soaked up the atmosphere. I went into this meeting with doubts about the Joe Johnson situation coming up in the off season. Now granted Sund had no idea what was going to happen in the playoffs but he made it clear to us that night that the Hawks would do everything they could to bring Joe back. 

I remember reflecting on the meeting while on my drive home and the only thing I was completely sure about was that they would give Joe whatever it took to bring him back. They made good on that promise apparently last night. This wasn't some last minute offer as Sund told us everything they had done financially up to that point such as structuring Mike Bibby and Marvin Williams deals to decline in their second year were made with re signing Joe in mind. No doubt that everything that has happened since then was made with resigning Joe in mind as well. Larry Drew was hired to a lesser value than what former coach Mike Woodson was making. The Hawks traded down in the draft to gain an extra draft pick only to turn around and sell it later. No doubt in this writer's mind that all of those instances relate to bringing Joe back. 

I don't think the franchise has deviated one bit from it's plan. Now the people in the Hawks blogosphere might not agree with the "plan" but I think that this has been the organization's intent from the beginning. 

Last night while watching NBA TV's free agency preview show, I and some other Hawks fans struck up a conversation with former AJC Hawks beat writer and current NBA.com writer Sekou Smith. I asked him for his reaction to the Johnson offer. He had this to say:

Did they have a choice? They have to try and keep him. You can't lose him and walk away with nothing. Can't do it.

Later he added:

If Im the Hawks I'd rather have Joe on my team than not. The price is not a concern for me. But it's not my money.

Interesting that he would say that since the question is now being asked whether this team will be even owned by the Atlanta Spirit Group by the time Johnson's contract ends.

Sekou also talked about fans "being more critical of their own" which does have some meaning and sited that many teams out there would love to have Joe Johnson playing for them. Sekou went own to mention the poll on Peachtree Hoops that currently over 70% of fans that voted think that Joe Johnson should sign elsewhere own the air. 

So to answer the question why did the Hawks give Joe Johnson the max? Because rather they had to if they wanted to keep him. There were other teams that would have over payed to get him and the Hawks jumped to the front of the line. 

It has been cast that Joe would be a better second or third option on a team. Rumors had him playing sidekick in a number of other destinations. Apparently that is the opinion throughout the rest of the league. In Atlanta by making this move, the Hawks are saying that they already have two such running mates for Johnson. They are banking on Josh Smith and Al Horford to continue to rise to all NBA level. There are no such guarantees but the fact remains that perhaps this organization values its own players just a little too much. I love them both, but can Larry Drew's system really put the ball in their hands enough for them to achieve that level? 

So if the deal does happen then this contract will have to be viewed as a "short term gain, long term loss". That is what this franchise will be faced with and have to deal with in the coming years. If this franchise wasn't already, this contract places it firmly in "Win Now" mode. By that I mean that any moves that are made over the rest of this summer and next should maximize the team's ability to win now.

That means that there can not be any giveaway deals such as Josh Childress for a future draft pick. If you sign Johnson to this contract and then pawn off Childress or Jamal Crawford's expiring deal for spare parts then you really have to question the people calling the shots and their motives for doing so. Now is the time to go into the luxury tax threshold if that is what the situation calls for. I don't know if the Atlanta Spirit has the means to do that but that is what this contract decision calls for.

While the Johnson signing is a bold move the situation calls for another bold move. The Boston Celtics acquired Ray Allen and then completed another bold move by trading for Kevin Garnett. They thrust themselves into luxury tax land for the chance to win a championship which they did. This Hawks team can't make one bold move just to bring back the same team that fizzled out in the second round of the playoffs last year. Rick Sund can't believe that his summer is over now. In fact it is just started. This can't be it. We can't sign this year's Joe Smith to round out the roster and say we will just break through to the Finals with a new coach. 

If ownership and management really believes that then Joe Johnson is the least of this franchise's problems

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Joe Johnson is not this highly valued by 95% of NBA fans in the blogosphere.

In fact, I’ve even found myself defending him a bit to other teams’ fans because their hatred has been too strong. (He’s a good player, just not elite).

While us 95% might be wrong, history is on our side.

by mrHonline on Jul 1, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you talking about me?

Cause you are right I do probably value Joe more than any of the other Hawks bloggers. Still making this move and not following it up with anything else is not a smart decision in my opinion.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 1, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok just wanted to explain myself if you were referring to me

I agree though, they talked last night like this was a no brainer move for the Hawks. I haven’t really heard that point of view anywhere.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 1, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am the 5%

Because I value him, he will be overpaid but what’s new?

by formerlyknowna on Jul 1, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Biedrins maybe?

I’d take Anthony Randolph or Brendan Wright, among others like Anthony Morrow.

And good write up KW. I’d agree with much of what you say.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 1, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

Cause if we get back Ellis, I’ll puke.

by danielduello on Jul 1, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anthony Randolph is really good and has a bright future

SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.

by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jul 1, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that bad???

SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.

by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jul 1, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I don't think you can compare him to Josh Smith

the only one you can compare him to is Lamar Odom

SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.

by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jul 1, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He CAN hit jumpers

SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.

by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jul 1, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He only played 33 games

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyybTWnyaY

SWING AND A DRIVE, BELTED RIGHT…..and McCann makes the catch by the dugout.

by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jul 1, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randolph

I agree Randolph is more like Odom and I would love him as our big man version of Jamal, I would also love Biedrins also, I would be happy with Monta also he could start with Joe because Joe can play some PG and if you want him to quit shooting or whatever you want that may be a way, he had a better overall game when he was running PG.

by formerlyknowna on Jul 1, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

I can’t say I would care to have any of GS’s roster on the hawks

by frootbooty on Jul 1, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

There’s that kid from Davidson who seems to be pretty damn good…

I’d take Curry and Morrow and possibly Turiaf for cheap front court depth.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 2, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

On Realgm's Trade Checker

Mike Bibby and Marvin Williams for Monta Ellis and Brandon Wright works.

Marvin and Mo Evans for Andris Biedris also works.

by Bryant Singleton on Jul 1, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

of those scenerios,

the Marvin and Mo for Biedris makes the most sense, it balances out their roster and saves them money in the long run. for us it would grant Al’s wish for going to the power forward position.

by Bryant Singleton on Jul 1, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smart and Bold Move

Would have been to take Hassan Whiteside with one of those picks in the draft. What are the Hawks gonna do with Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Mo Evans and Jordan Crawford? They all play the same position. What are they showing interest to Chris Duhon for? They already have Bibby and Teague to play that position. They need to make a bold move on a SF, like resigning Josh Childress and sending Marvin away or a bold move on a defensive minded C, like going out and getting Javal McGee for Childress or maybe Jamal Crawford for Javal McGee and Josh Howard or Jamal or Childress for Andries Biedrins, or really should have just took Whiteside and developed him, but I agree this can not be the final move then just point the finger at Joe. Finally, what about Al the guy said it after last years exit that he thinks the team needs a C, Al is a restricted FA after the season so they need to show that they want to keep him happy also. A C and a SF needs to be the next move or moves.

by formerlyknowna on Jul 1, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

ffffffff

don’t like this deal.

by headsigh on Jul 1, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds

Like typical Hawks fans move. So, you want to have 3 starting PF’s on your team, we have done that before remember?

by formerlyknowna on Jul 1, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't, please explain

...in dixie land i'll take my stand to root for Atlanta

by southman on Jul 1, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soorry

i thought he was a center…

by Jhovan on Jul 1, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Played center for New York..

..and he played it better than many of the stiffs a lot of Hawks fans want. Sure, his numbers are inflated due to the system they run, but he’s always been a solid rebounder and great athlete. I don’t condone signing him though, not because he isn’t a good player but because he’s going to get much more than he’s worth.

http://soaringdownsouth.com/

by KB21 on Jul 1, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

Al is superior to Lee in every way. Not to mention then we’d have to keep hearing from mis-informed fans about another player out of position

by axhfan on Jul 1, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I predict: no more moves for the Hawks

I have zero faith in this ownership group to do the right thing for the team’s future or present.

I really think all they want to do is sell, so they are assuring a reasonably good product on the court next year by overpaying JJ. Standing pat, the Hawks are reasonably assured of making the playoffs, possibly with home court advantage for the 1st round, which generates a little extra revenue, making it more attractive for sale.

JJs contract will be someone else’s problem once the nearly inevitable cliff decline occurs about midway through it.

A sign-and-trade, initially painful as it would be, would have been the best move for the team’s future. But the ASG is not concerned about the team’s future.

by Scooter281 on Jul 1, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Gonna have to disagree with that one

I think the Hawks will make a few trade to move M. Williams and M. Evans and possibly Bibby

by Anonymous HawksGuy on Jul 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want jj signed and on the team but not THIS WAY

I believe with another system the team could get better. and I didn’t want mo to come back so mo chillz and marv all need to be dealt with. meaning two need to be traded for a big man. maybe jamal too. but we have too many that play the same position. since jj is coming back he will obviously be the fav of the coach so something gotta give. I know golden State is rumored…if we get montae then marv and chill and mo will have huge problems. any otha rumored deals on the works?

IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.

by Hawksgirl on Jul 1, 2010 7:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

if jj was a bigger man he would....

sign with us but not for that much…he should say" we need some money for a center so i’ll take a little less…" AGREE????

by Jhovan on Jul 1, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions  

i mean he does know...

he’s not lebron or wade……doesn’t he??? i can only hope……

by Jhovan on Jul 1, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Screw you

You have no right to tell anybody that they should leave MILLIONS of dollars on the table just for basketball’s sake. It’s not Joe’s fault he’s being offered a max deal. Blame ownership, not JJ. Would you take thousands of dollars off your salary if it meant the company could put better employees around you? Joe may want to win, but its not his job to be frugal with the money.

by axhfan on Jul 1, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chipper Jones has...

not saying I disagree with Joe getting paid, but there has been precedent of athletes leaving money on the table so they can have better teammates.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 2, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

You can easily work some of that money back in by way of bonuses. Put in a big championship bonus or Finals bonus and let the team get you better players to increase the chances of you getting those bonuses. You see it in the NFL all the time.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 2, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right but the player has to agree to that

You don’t see that as much in the NBA. The point I was trying to make is you can’t fault anyone for getting all that they can. This is the last big contract Joe Johnson will get.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jul 2, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand

and I even agree. Not once would I ever argue that a player shouldn’t accept all that is offered to them. But, it’s not always an absolute.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

he has?

how much was he making before getting 14 mil this year?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

See below...

1993 Atlanta Braves $109,000 1996 Joint Exhibit 1
1994 Atlanta Braves $109,000 1996 Joint Exhibit 1 Missed entire season with injury
1995 Atlanta Braves $114,000 1996 Joint Exhibit 1
1996 Atlanta Braves $825,000 1997 Joint Exhibit 1 Includes $75,000 earned bonus
1997 Atlanta Braves $1,525,000 1997 postseason AP survey Includes $25,000 earned bonus
1998 Atlanta Braves $2,550,000 11/23/98 USA Today Includes $50,000 earned bonus
1999 Atlanta Braves $4,175,000 11/19/99 USA Today Includes $175,000 earned bonus
2000 Atlanta Braves $4,750,000 4/5/00 AP
2001 Atlanta Braves $10,333,333 4/6/01 USA Today
2002 Atlanta Braves $11,333,333 4/3/02 AP
2003 Atlanta Braves $13,333,333 4/3/03 AP
2004 Atlanta Braves $15,333,333 4/7/04 AP
2005 Atlanta Braves $16,061,802
2006 Atlanta Braves $12,333,333
2007 Atlanta Braves $12,333,333
2008 Atlanta Braves $12,333,333
2009 Atlanta Braves $10,000,000
2010 Atlanta Braves $14,000,000
Career (may be incomplete) $141,552,133
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jonesch06.shtml
Notice how after 05, it starts to drop. If he wanted what his max value was on the open market, the last 5+ years would have seen salaries closer to or above $20m per year, instead of dropping closer to $10m. 09 in particular was a year where he took less money in hopes of allowing more to be spent on teammates that could help the team return to the post season (unfortunately it was spent on Derek Lowe, Garrett Anderson, and others who weren’t much help).

by Mr. Sanchez on Jul 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone have any ideas

for a new team to cheer for?

The Jordan Schafer Fan Club.

by acie4mvp on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

Go where ever Acie is, probably out of the league, cheer for a D-league team or something

by formerlyknowna on Jul 2, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, this sounds familiar

I can only imagine what the former handle used to be.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 2, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

starts with a "t" ends with a "r"?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jul 2, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Winner

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

OKC is a viable option.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jul 2, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're the Western team I root for

Mostly because I live in the Midwest now.

by axhfan on Jul 2, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see there are alot of people on here that don’t agree with the ASG and there decision to give J.J a max contract but I am part of that 5% that think he should come back because he is a great player. I would think people could see the good he has done in Atlanta in the 5 yrs he has been here instead they go by his playoff games that he had against Orlando and his comments about the fans. Yes it was a hard series to handle and it upset the fans but think it also upset the players to so instead of showing up to support you showed up and booed the team you was supposed to be behind 100% .

by TRUHAWKFAN on Jul 3, 2010 2:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Joe is and will continue to be a great, all-pro level player year after year. With Joe and Al, there is 3/5 of a championshiop level team in place. Jamal is a game-changer. They need to dump Marvin and add a PG and a quality big man.

by fandave on Jul 4, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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