Mark Stein, ESPN: Avery Johnson to coach the Nets
Da da dunt dunt dunt...Another One Bites The Dust.
Does this mean a Hawks announcement is coming soon? We can smell the news a-comin'.
UPDATE: Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports tweets that Avery talked THREE times with the Hawks and that the ATL is "regrouping".
Was Avery the Hawks first choice all along? Spears sure makes it sound that way. Change the way you think about this now?
Exit question: What does this mean to you in regards to the Hawks?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Joe is a Beast
Al is a Beast
Smoove is a MONSTER!
I think
It may be a blessing in disguise. It’s interesting after all of the horror stories you heard about Avery and Devin Harris that he would go coach him again. Because of those horror stories I was on the fence about Avery. Out of all of the candidates left, Casey is probably the favorite and most likely our next head coach. SI started a rumor that the Hawks are waiting on Doc Rivers, but that is unlikely b/c he has a year left on his deal in Boston. We might as well prepare for Casey, which may not be a bad thing, we just have to wait and see.
"Opposition in my face, trying to play the fence, I'm bigger than this dude, this don't make no sense, I Air Jordan on 'em". - K-Drama
by Sterling Platinum on Jun 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder what Avery saw in New Jersey besides cap space
and reuniting with delvin harris
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Low expectations, stable ownership, New York-ish market
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jun 9, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
An Owner with deep pockets
I think NJ may have been waiting on a bigger fish, but my guess is that they have found out that Phil Jackson will either coach the Lakers or not at all next year. So, they went ahead and got Avery.
An interesting twist is that Peter Vescey recently stated that Larry Drew is actually the favorite for the Hawks job but that Mark Jackson has really impressed Rick Sund. He also stated that Dwane Casey still has a chance. Yeah, it’s Peter Vescey, but every so often, he actually has solid sources.
Jeff Van Gundy for president!
1.Brandon Graham 1.Charles Brown 2. Vladimir Ducasse 3.Torell Troup 4.Robert Johnson 6.Mike Kafka 6.Joshua Moore 7.Alex Daniels
Ultimately
What I take away from this is not really being surprised. Avery was going to get his money and ultimately I think that is what it came down to. He needed another team like the Hawks as a fall back plan and also needed another team to drive up the price. Personally I think Sund probably wanted Casey in the first place but management was probably intrigued with Avery as he would have created a little more stir in the media had he been hired.
We have to hope for getting a diamond in the rough so to speak now. Maybe Casey is it. I will be surprised if we go back and interview anyone else.
Peachtree Hoops
Well...
I still want Mark Jackson!!!! Let’s try something different! But here is my conspiracy theory. Larry Drew is hired. Give him a 1 yr deal. Doc Rivers retires, takes a year off. After the 1 yr, Doc coaches the Hawks…
Hey, why not?
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
Conspiracy
Ty: I would rather your conspiracy than hire Casey to some 3 yr deal then find out he is bad for the franchise in every way like I suspect then we have to pay him to dismiss him and all that.
Personally, I agree on Mark Jackson even Thunder Dan or Laimbeer over Casey, hell give me JVG over Casey the guy does not excite me and I doubt if he is going to excite the players or the fanbase. Casey is the absolute worse guy for the bottom line which is butts in seats. We are not winning anything until we make our roster anyway. So, we need someone to excite in other ways and Casey is not it.
Finally, what this tells me is that we are having a bad off-season so far. I wish Mo had opted out, Joe is most likely gone and now this. Even if Joe stays I think we lost out on our probably 1st choice at coach and Mo stayed and is going to help kill our cap space. So, we already have had 2 bad things happen 2 us
A coach doesn't put butts in the seats
WINNING does! How can you pass judgement on a coach when he hasn’t even stepped foot as the Hawks coach yet? In Minnesota he took a bunch of scrubs and still made them a .500 ballclub. I’m not saying that i’m ready to sign Casey right now, but I wouldn’t pass judgement until I after at least 1-2 years of any new Hawks head coach. I can respect your opinion, but it’s highly biased.
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Jun 10, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be excited over Laimbeer or Thunder Dan
Mark Jackson scares me as well. The thing is we don’t know if Casey is the man for the job or not. Like I said earlier I am about winning basketball games. I could care less with putting butts in the seats.
Chicago sold the United Center out several years after Jordan and that extra money didn’t help them.
Peachtree Hoops
Exactly!
I don’t know of a single fan that goes to a game to watch a coach coach. The Hawks need a coach that can get the most out of this roster. Of all the candidates, the only coach that has shown an ability to get the most out of what he has been given is Dwane Casey.
A high school coach would not do much worse than Casey
Of candidates still on Hawks plate, I go for Mark Jackson because he brings excitement to the fans. That is what baskeballs is about, it is about the fans, right?
Plus he played at the highest levels for 17 years. Do you understand that?
That means nothing.
Mark Jackson has not proven he can coach. He has not taken a lottery bound roster and put them into a position to be in the playoffs like Dwane Casey has. Like Chris Sheridan said when Casey was fired, he was fired because they were afraid if they kept him, they wouldn’t be able to fire him later.
No Mark Jackson has not proven anything
That is true, he has never coached. A truly risky move. But he has name recognition. Fans knows him and players respect him. He has been a point guard. He may know how to coach Teague. Is it a roll of the dice? absolutely. But couple him with some experienced assistant coaches, and may be.
I know Casey is a lost cause though, no matter how much you try to push agenda of a coach that was let go after one year in Minnesota. Funny how the team that gave him the break in his coaching career, let him go so soon. Thoughts?
Because they are stupid.
Everyone from John Hollinger to Chris Sheridan spoke about how stupid it was for Minnesota to fire Dwane Casey when he had them competitive. I can’t believe anyone can honestly come on here and argue against hiring him because he was foolishly fired by Kevin McHale, and upon his firing, his team immediately became worse.
Laimbeer
Has won championships why not him, Casey is the last person I want any part of
Like
He wasn’t the most feared player on a team that won the NBA championship. Do you guys not remember that?
No
but Isiah got his chances and did not do well. Laimbeer has won championships. Would you want someone who has won championships over someone who has never even had a winning season should be the correct comparison.
Or someone that has never coached in the league?
Look I understand your argument for Avery, but your degrading of Casey is unfounded.
Peachtree Hoops
So
Had Doc Rivers coached in the league before his 1st job? No, he had not. He degraded himself he coached on a team with a 1st ballot HOF’er and could not even go .500. He deserved to be fired. Your saying that he would be a good coach is totally more unfounded than me simply saying he does not help create any interest from fanbase and is not some guru with a proven system so whats the point?
by Truthspitter on Jun 9, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You are still stuck on creating interest in the fan base
If that is all you are interested in then hire Dominique as the coach. My point is you don’t know that Mark Jackson, Larry Drew, Bill Laimbeer or whomever would be any more successful than Casey. Casey has as much if not more experience than any of those guys. There has been nothing written about him to suggest that he should have been fired in Minnesota. The common feeling there was that he overachieved with that roster.
If you can find anything that is written that is bad about him then please send me a link because I haven’t been able to find it.
Will he be a good coach? I don’t know. You can’t site Casey’s experience as an assistant and a head coach as a flaw when the candidates you are now pushing haven’t even been an assistant. Why are you so sure that Jackson would be successful where Casey would fail? Again I could care less if hiring Jackson sells one more season ticket. People aren’t paying there money to see any of the coaches we have interviewed. They will pay to see the product that is put on the floor.
Peachtree Hoops
Seriously
They will pay to see the product we put on the floor? How many times did we fill the arena with a 53 win team that had 1 of the best home records? We need every advantage we can get and yes Jackson, Laimbeer, Van Gundy, and Avery Johnson would have all helped more than Casey. Casey has been a failure that’s why I’m sure someone else who has not been a failure at this level should get a chance. It really doesn’t matter I will not pay a penny to see this Hawks team if Joe leaves anyway because they brought most of these problems on themselves, Casey included
by Truthspitter on Jun 9, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone else would be more successful
Even if they have never coached at any level and are just walking in off of a TV set? I guess it could happen but it is not something I would like to bank on.
Peachtree Hoops
Which is why question #1 in a Mark Jackson interview...
should be who are you planning on bringing in as your assistants.
By the way
My argument was never for Avery specifically, but has always been against Casey specifically
by Truthspitter on Jun 9, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Now i don't know about that
Minnesota gave him the break in coaching. So what does that mean when they gave him the divorce papers? I am just sayin, does that mean they were stupid to give him his entry into coaching?
Can you say Hawks had a better team around Woody his first couple years? But they stay with Woody.
Hawks had better leadership....
….and had realistic expectations on the roster they put together. Minnesota actually felt their roster was good enough to compete for a conference championship when it was a lottery bound roster from the day it was put together.
Wow Hawks had a better team around Woody the first year???
with 13 wins. ok i stop now. i can’t continue this thread if we going down the illogical path.
our leadership was better
This ownership group has never been better. One of the worst in the league. How do you figure? Or may be you think Billy Knight refusing to shake the extended handed of Belkin was good. Or may be you think years of battles in the courts are good. What are you basing your statement on?
This has been a broken up leadership group form day one.
I read the comment, but it was ridiculous and still is.
They were better in that
they realized the limits of their team. Rather than expecting and acting upon unrealistic goals.
+1
When a team wins, the city get excited, which brings more fans. You can be the most exciting “coach” in the league, but the coach isn’t out there on the court, the players are!! Doesn’t matter who the coach is, if the team isn’t winning ballgames, the fans won’t come out, plain and simple!
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Jun 10, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The coach does make the team play better
If you believe that a coach is not important, then why get rid of Woody?
The coach is important
but it’s only important that the coach makes his team play better. The name of the coach doesn’t impact the fans in the seats, his skill does.
The Jordan Schafer Fan Club.
Thanks acie4mvp
For speaking sense to this dude!
by Anonymous HawksGuy on Jun 11, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok now that is just crazy
The dude is a professional coach, he may not be your favorite but lets at least keep some perspective here. Comparing him to a high school coach is ludicrous. You can’t compare someone like Mike Woodson to a high school coach.
Peachtree Hoops
Defending Woody in these parts will get you strung up
Stop while you are ahead. Or continue at your own peril.
Just saying.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Casey is no guru
Jerry Sloan is still in Utah for a reason because he developed a system that works and is proven. What makes you think this guy (Casey) is such a great coach or x’s and o’s guy? What’s his system? Why didn’t he develop it with TWolves for the world can see? I don’t get what you guys are saying about the Casey guy
Since you are using Jerry Sloan as an example.
Was he not a guru when he was 94-121 as a first time head coach of the Chicago Bulls from 1979-1982? His winning percentage in his first coaching tenure was 0.437. Dwane Casey’s winning percentage was .434 with a horrible roster. I wonder if Utah fans were thinking that the coach they were getting in 1988 would never amount to anything.
rolling on the floor
surely you are not trying to defend Casey on a .434 winning percentage. Come on son, let’s try another one
Yep.....
…..and he had the exact same record after 122 games that Dwane Casey had, and Chicago wasn’t foolish enough to dump him after a season and a half. They dumped him 51 games into his third season instead.
You are saying that a coach with a losing record should never be hired to be a head coach again, because the only thing you can possibly use against Casey at this point is his record. There are a lot of great head coaches that wouldn’t be great today had they not gotten that second opportunity to be a head coach. Jerry Sloan is one. George Karl is another, as he had a losing record with Cleveland and Golden State before getting the Seattle job. George has only been one of the best coaches in the NBA over the past 20 years.
no i did not say that
I honestly believe a coach, like any other normal person will learn. I believe Woody will learn from his mistakes. I believe Casey will learn from his mistakes.
What I am saying though, his tenure was too brief at Wolves to make a case about his second chances. Working somewhere for one year, is too brief to pass judgment.
You should ask, what could prompt a team to get rid of a coach after one year, unless they saw a disaster in making. That is the question. Your answer is Wolves management was too stupid. That is not logical answer, it is deeper. It is about potential and direction of a team.
By the way, i also told you before his situation in Dallas leaves a lot to be desired. A team with that much talent, what did Casey prove there?
Dallas
Dallas isn’t any worse now than they were with Avery Johnson in his last season when he was trying to put square pegs into round holes. The team is a little more aged though. They still have Dirk and JT, but two key players on Avery’s teams are no longer with this team. Josh Howard and Jerry Stackhouse. The Dallas team is a different team now. Either way, Dallas has won 64% of their games over the past two years with Rick Carlisle as the head man and Dwane Casey and Terry Stotts as his top two assistants. I don’t know how in the world that can be used against Dwane Casey.
So your two arguments are....
1. Casey hasn’t coached long enough to be considered a known commodity.
2. While in Dallas, as an assistant, the Mavs have not taken the next step.
Correct me if I’m wrong
-—————-
1. What about Mark Jackson’s extensive coaching experience makes him more of a known commodity?
2. How has the current incarnation of the Mavericks played any different then when Avery was coach?
First of all I have support a JVG courtship
but since Sund and ownership does not want to go there, we are left with Jackson and Casey.
With Casey you have essentially a lifetime assistant coach. One who has not been offered a head coaching job after his short stint.
To answer your questions,
1. Mark Jackson is one the best assist men in the league. He played for many years at highest levels of the game. He has respect of players and many insiders league over. He is well known because of media exposure. He will bring excitement to the fan base. I am concerned about total lack of coaching. Couple him with experienced assistants, and why can he not do as good as Doc? Also think about him coaching Teague. Do you think Casey will improve Teague better than Jackson?
2. The current incarnation of Mavs has underachieved also. One can legitimately argue, that Cuban has more talent on that team (two seven footers not including Big D for crying out loud) that even when Avery was there. With that, i think Mavs have even done worse. That is not all on Casey, but certainly some. Also think, why has he not been hired as a head coach since his first time. It has been a long long time.
JVG would be good
But it looks like he isn’t gonna coach anywhere next year.
1. If were just gonna couple Jackson with experienced coaches, why not hire ones of these experienced coaches and get mark as an assistant? And yes, I do think Casey has a better chance to coach up Teague to the best of his talent because it has been part of his job before as opposed to Jackson.
2. I think the impact an assistant has on a team choking is too questionable to fully debate. And I do not think it is a legitimate argument to say we should not hire Casey because no one else is.
BTW – My biggest problem with Jackson (aside from the lack of experience) – It does not seem to me he really WANTS to be a head coach. There is a difference from a guy who would like to coach and someone who wants to coach. If Jackson wanted to coach, he would make that his priority, paying his dues as an assistant. Instead, he doesn’t consider his coaching his job. He will only take a coaching position if it is given to him without any prior preparation other than an interview. If he’s not truly committed to coaching then I don’t want him as a coach.
A sad day
We lose another candidate to a team with deep pockets, and due to inaction on our part. Meanwhile, Hawks ponder making decisions while their owners are on vacation. And now they are left with leftover.
How do you spell mediocrity? Casey. Funny Casey is on so few radars of teams that can afford to spend. A sad day for the Hawks and their future with Casey.
I say wait for Celtics series to be over, and then see what Doc does. If he retires, do everything possible to get him Casey will be around for next 10 years, that used second hand car is not going anywhere.
Yep.
It would be a shame to hire a coach that showed the ability to get the most out of the talent he had in his only head coaching stop.
Who has done better?
Has Minnesota been a better team since he left?
Look at Woody
Who has done better in a long time with the Hawks?
The only difference between Mike Woodson, Terry Stotts,
…and Lon Kruger is the players. Mike was allowed to grow with a young roster that he ultimately lost. Terry just happened to be the head coach when Atlanta decided to blow the roster up, and I would say that Terry was better than Mike because he took a bunch of rag tag players and closed the season fairly strong. The end of that season cost the Hawks a chance at Dwight Howard.
Woody did do well
but the team tuned him out. Sure it took until the playoffs for it to become glaring. However, there were signs during the season as well.
Peachtree Hoops
How do u
Know that this talent was so horrible that it had to be the coach?
Just look at it.
Do you honestly think a team who had the likes of Mike James, Randy Foye, Ricky Davis, and Mark Blount around Kevin Garnett has any chance of winning at all? Because that is the team Dwane Casey had at .500, in the 8th slot in the Western Conference playoff seeds, and in the top ten of the league defensively. That same team was 12-30 after his dismissal and fell to the bottom 3 defensively over the final 42 games of the 2006-2007 season under the leadership of Randy Wittman. That team isn’t any better than the Hawks teams early in Mike Woodson’s career, and doesn’t have nearly the potential that those Hawks teams had.
by KB21 on Jun 9, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
KG
is a 1st ballot HOF’er, he wasn’t exactly going bar knuckles
So
You think all you need is one good player to be able to win?
How many did Woody have?
When he 1st came to Atl. Why did they not fire Woody after 1st year? There must have been other things that they did not like about Casey my friend
Maybe Dwane pissed in Kevin's cornflakes....
….but regardless, Dwane Casey was getting the most out of the talent he had in Minnesota. How can anyone argue that he wasn’t? I always thought the whole point of coaching was to get the most out of what you have.
You may get your wish
not much left for Hawks, and no other team will really look twice at Casey. That should tell you something, if you look at it truthfully.
We had this conversation couple days ago. Teams with money won’t go after Casey. The NJ path was indeed clear.
That means little to me.
New Jersey is not a good example because their new owner wants to make a splash with the media and could care less about the basketball side of it. BTW, if Dwane doesn’t get the Hawks job, he will likely get either the Cavs job or the Clippers job. If Atlanta passes on Dwane, they will blow an opportunity to get a very good coach.
Seriously
Are u the guy himself? How do you know he is a good coach he has done nothing, absolutely nothing to prove he is a good coach. He finished with a losing record during his term and did not make it to the playoffs. Woodson took a team to the 2nd round twice, playoffs 3 x’s, and won 53 games one season and he was fired. This is the reason why I was always sticking up for Woody because I can not respect someone pushing so hard for a guy that has done nothing to insist of a positive resume when people on this site ripped Woody every chance while he accomplished a better than decent amount if you look at recent Hawks coaches. I don’t get your point my friend
How do u
know that? you are assuming with no proof, just like I am looking at the precident Casey has set and really not liking anything I see in this character
Because McHale is an idiot with a quick trigger finger...
and I know that just as well as you know Casey would be a failure here.
Woody has a good resume
But anyone who watched the majority of Hawks games knew the job Woody did could have been much better.
Once Again
Dwane took a team that had Kevin Garnett and a bunch of scrubs, and he had them overachieving with a .500 record and a spot in the playoffs when he was fired. What else do you want him to do? Coach’s cannot make chicken salad out of chicken crap, but Dwane Casey sure did a heck of a job trying. Dwane took a team that was probably less talented overall than the team Mike Woodson had in his second year in Atlanta, and he had that team overachieving. The facts are there. A team that consisted of Kevin Garnett surrounded by the likes of Mike James, Randy Foye, Mark Blount, Ricky Davis, Craig Smith, and Rashad McCants was playing .500 basketball with Dwane Casey as the head coach. After firing him, that very same team played .286 basketball over the final 42 games of the season. The team that Dwane coached was in the top 10 in the NBA defensively. The very same team after Dwane was fired was in the bottom 3 of the league defensively. Despite two more coaching changes and some personnel changes, the Timberwolves still have been unable surpass a .280 winning percentage. It’s as obvious as the noses on our face that the problem in Minnesota was not Dwane Casey, it was Kevin McHale and an owner that felt the team was the same team he had in 2003 that went to the NBA finals. It wasn’t. That team had legitimate players around Kevin Garnett like Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell. Dwane Casey had nothing close to that. Dwane Casey did the best with what he was given, and that’s all you can ask out of a coach. Chances are, Dwane Casey would not have been able to keep up the .500 winning percentage because that team was not built to be anything more than a lottery team. Coaches can only do so much, but in the end, this is a players league.
by KB21 on Jun 10, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Paul Pierce, Danny Granger, Kevin Durant (Last year)
I wonder if they would agree that all you need is one guy.
Soooooooo.....
So why not Mark Jackson and some strong assistants? I mean you have to start somewhere? Everybody gets a first job. And if it does not work out in a year or 2, I am sure Casey will still be available. It’s great Casey did a wonderful job with a awful roster. And he would probably do a wonderful job with our roster. But really, who is to say Jackson won’t? And I think Teague would really grow under him. I would rather hire Larry Drew than Casey, based on the fact that he is someone with new ideas and a fresh approach.
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
Larry Drew
I’m not going to make a case against Larry Drew because I think he is getting a bad rap from the fans who think he will be a Mike Woodson clone simply because he was on his staff. Especially when there is no evidence anywhere that suggests an assistant coach will have the same philosophy as the head coach. However, I don’t exactly see how Larry Drew is someone with new ideas and a fresh approach while Dwane Casey isn’t?
You have to start somewhere
Let Jackson start as an assistant then. If you want some former players as your coach then Patrick Ewing, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Dominique Wilkins, Sam Cassel and a number of others are far more qualified. If you want Jackson purely because you think he can help develop Teague, then I’d like to remind you we already have a very experienced Point Guard to help mentor Zero Wing.
Wow...
I said that? I said I wanted new ideas. I was not big on Avery either. If he comes in with the right assistants, I would love for him to be our coach. We all saw the end of Woody coming as late as last year. I was even surprised he got one more year…
I really like Drew and he seems right for this job. But then again, the players liked Terry Stotts also. Just not feeling Casey. I know everyone says Doc Rivers made the jump, but even he lost his first job. But he at least got the shot…
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
Terry Stotts was in a no win situation.
The roster he had wasn’t capable of winning, and he just happened to be the head coach when Billy Knight decided to blow the thing up. Still, with players like Bob Sura, Chris Crawford, Jason Terry, Stephen Jackson, Dion Glover, Jason Collier, and Joel Przybilla playing key roles on the team after all the trades were made 53 games into the season. The funny thing is, after the thing got blown up, Terry actually had that collection of players playing better than the team that had Terry, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, and Theo Ratliff in some aspects. Offensively, the team increased his scoring by over 12 points per game after the trades. They played faster, got to the free throw more, shot better from the three point line, and increased their assist rate. They finished the season better than anyone would have thought, and it cost them a shot at Dwight Howard in the draft. I don’t think Terry Stotts did a bad job with what he had. He inherited a team that just wasn’t going to work.
I remember coming into a PC of Stotts'...
after a loss against the Wizards. You could almost see the pain in his face, and when answering questions it appeared as though he wanted to say without saying, “What the f* do you expect with this pack of crap I got playing?”
I'm a Stotts fan.....
….and one reason I support Dwane Casey as head coach is because I think he will bring Terry Stotts on as an assistant. With Dwane managing the defense and Terry running the offense, you cannot get much better coaching than that. One of the best defensive coaches in the league along with one of the best offensive coaches in the league. I love watching Terry’s offenses work when he has players who are unselfish, will move without the ball, and can shoot the basketball. I also like the hi-low aspects that he took from the Seattle offense. With Al Horford’s face up game and passing ability, I think his offensive game could blossom with him in the high post. Terry’s offenses are known for the ball movement on the perimeter, the back screens to create catch and shoot opportunities, and the high post play of his big men.
Usually...
When you become head of something, you usually want to make your mark. Put your own stamp on something. I am sure Drew hears everything about Woodson and knows that ASG was not happy with Woody. I would like to think that he would be opposite of Woody and have his on approach…or maybe that’s just me?
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
I don't want Mark Jackson
getting his on the job training in Josh and Al’s prime years. He doesn’t even sound like he’d be a good head coach on TV. If you can’t even sound smart when talking about basketball you’re going to have a hard time convincing me that you should be an NBA coach. I don’t care about his name. I want a good coach.
@cocoqt81
Thank you
When I heard Mark Jackson’s name thrown around (for several jobs) it confused the Hell out of me. I have never heard him say anything that made me think “That guy should be a coach”.
Momma There Goes That Man!
That’s gonna be out new motto……….. kill me now.
Joe is a Beast
Al is a Beast
Smoove is a MONSTER!
by Garrison Hayes on Jun 10, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not wait for Doc?
Our 2 potential candidates left are not high on anyone’s list. We won’t lose nothing waiting.
by xavip on Jun 9, 2010 10:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Because Doc is not available.
He still has a year on his contract, and the Celtics aren’t about to let him out of that contract to come to Atlanta.
Because...
If Doc says no thanks….Here we go again!!!!
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
I'm Disappointed
Honestly, I think we are looking past the true problem….
WE NEED NEW MANAGEMENT!
The front office will CONTINUE to strive for mediocrity, because I think we have a group of business men, and no true NBA/Basketball fans. They honestly just don’t care… We have the most disengaged front office in the league.
Name one BIG move the team has made in recent years…. Who’s fault? At first, I blamed Billy Knight… he’s gone…. Then I blamed Mike Woodson… he’s gone…. Now who’s to blame for us not SNATCHING up the coach with the best winning percentage in league history???
Management. …And they’re not going anywhere…
Joe is a Beast
Al is a Beast
Smoove is a MONSTER!
Casey...
The west was not the same west in 2005 as it is now. And its not like he had a team of total scrubs and KG. Rickey Davis was balling back then.(20 per) and Wally Szcerbiak was playing well at that time also.(19pg) So please stop with Dwane Casey is the next Phil Jackson.
We just don’t know. And I don’t see anything special about Casey, than a Larry Drew or even Del Harris. Did DelNegro deserve to lose his job in Chicago? Probably not, and he did pretty well.
So Kris and KB21, why not Vinnie Delnegro? You guys act like agents for Casey….Or maybe one of you is him…..GEEZ!!!!
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
R. Davis has never been a viable option
He was, is, and always will be a chucker and a selfish player. The fact that Casey got anything remotely positive out of him should be in his resume.
For the record I didn’t have a preference between Casey or Avery. As I have stated from the beginning I want the coach that is obtainable for this franchise. I want a solid on court performance and accountability. I could care less if that person sells one more ticket which was my point in this whole discussion.
Peachtree Hoops
So
You can say the same about Jamal Crawford he is just as selfish as Ricky Davis, so is that gonna be your excuse when Casey wins 30 games as coach next year?
by Truthspitter on Jun 10, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the facts
Casey has not been offered a head coaching job since his days in Minnesota. That is a long time, and if not for relationship with Sund, the trend will continue.
Think about that some before you keep supporting Casey as a head coach. The facts explain it better.
It is not just that he does not get the fan base excited, it is because he lacks offensive creativitiy. Is that not what is needed from our next coach?
As least Woody had character, does any one remember Casey being involved in the situation at KY and the envelope in the mail. What does that say about his character?
But...
Is Casey the only “obtainable” coach for this franchise? And before Rickey Davis lost his mind, he was a baller.
But then again, so was J.R. Rider….
If we are gonna start fresh, then give it to Drew…
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
Davis might have been a baller on the playground but did he ever play on a winning team?
Not meaning to get sidetracked here but……..
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by Kris Willis on Jun 10, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis
played at more winning teams than Jamal Crawford, fact
by Truthspitter on Jun 10, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
HaHa ok you win
Just for kicks name those winning teams for me cause I sure aint looking them up
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by Kris Willis on Jun 10, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Without looking it up
I’m pretty sure he played for Miami when they won the championship, or close to it.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
He was actually on one of their down years. 15-67 was their record.
I remember our fans yelling “they just got WAY better!” If adding Ricky Davis is making you better, you’re a high school team.
Wade played 51 games that year and got “injured” when it looked to be an awful year for them. They went into tank mode.
Of course, they beat the 37-win Hawks team last game of the season. Ugh.
Casey
Is not only obtainable. Laimbeer, Michael Cooper, Bryon Scott, have all shown on the court that they are far more trustworthy than Casey and they are all out there. Izzo looked at us hard years ago, if Lebron let’s him know he is leaving Cleveland, why not give him a call again with a 53 win team this time. There are much better offers out there than this Casey guy which a couple people have zeroed in on the same way the Hawks zeroed in on Marvin and Sheldon Williams and damaged the franchises future. It’s repeating itself again in another form.
Do you think...
That Drew will come in with Woody’s ideas?
Really?
" If ifs were fifths, we would all be drunk..."
Do you think they haven't heard Drew and his ideas before?
I’m among those who don’t seem him as a “fresh” voice.
Honestly
this thread is probably one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read
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Agreed
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
+1
it’s sooooo long… lol
Joe is a Beast
Al is a Beast
Smoove is a MONSTER!
by Garrison Hayes on Jun 10, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of Bill Walton talking about Penny Hardaway
He’s sooooo long…virtually undefendable.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jun 10, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, the whole discussion is a moot point.
We already knew that Avery wasn’t coming here, especially with the Jersey job open and Prokohff willing to spend. Not to mention that the only sure things on the roster are Harris and Lopez. Everybody else is a free agent, and Avery can build the Nets into a team more to his liking…he’d have to work his system around all the locked in players we have.
Who’s to say that the current group of players didn’t not only tune out Woody, but the entire coaching staff, including Drew? Why would those same players turn around and listen to a guy they had tuned out?
So what if Casey went .500 in Minnesota? So what? If he was that good, why is he only being mentioned in Atlanta? Why not New Orleans before they hired Monty WIlliams (who has a couple years as an assistant under his belt). Casey is the bargain bin option, when all other options are exhausted.
So what if Jackson has no coaching experience? Does anyone know what type of staff he plans to bring in? Anyone know what his gameplan will be?
As long as whoever is hired can tailor a gameplan around who we will have (because outside of Joe, everybody else is locked in for next year), we should accept them and give them a fair shake.
'Bama fan since birth, NIners & Hawks fan since '86, Braves fan since '90
Part 1 -Fire Woody, hire new coach with legitimate offensive and defensive game plan
Part 2 - Sign & trade Joe, deal Chils and/or Marvin for a shooter at the 3
Part 3 - FIND PG AND C, STAT!
I concur
But, like a good little minion, I’m going to add some fuel to this fire and say that I think Bill Laimbeer should be a viable option as a head coach in the NBA. I’m pretty sure the game of basketball is the same in the WNBA as it is in the NBA so I don’t see where coaching methods are that much different as it relates to the actual game of basketball. Clearly there will be differences in managing players, but that is true regardless because every player adds something different to each and every team.
Maybe he isn’t an option for us right now, but having won multiple championships at the WNBA level has to count positively for the guy and I think his name should get more mention during these off-season coaching circles.
My overall viewpoint is that we are going with Casey not soley on his resume, but also because of his familarity with Sund. I know some people like to think that has nothing to do with it, but you can look throughout all professional sports and see the same type of coaching hire over and over. My one and only complaint with this is that I don’t feel like the organization is exploring all options vailable. I like Byron Scott and JVG, yet neither have been mentioned. I understand they want someone in place before the draft circus starts, but to me that just states that Sund doesn’t have an idea on how to build a proper team at the player level, or that he doesn’t know what kind of team he wants.
Regardless, I just would have liked to see more options on the table than what has currently been presented.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
I wouldn't mind seeing Bill get a shot somewhere
…either as a head or an assistant coach. He’s earned the opportunity to get that shot. Jeff already said he wanted to stay at ESPN for at least one more season, so he’s out. B. Scott? I agree, he should have gotten a phone call, he probably falls into the same category that Avery did….would ask for more than ASG is willing to pay.
'Bama fan since birth, NIners & Hawks fan since '86, Braves fan since '90
Part 1 -Fire Woody, hire new coach with legitimate offensive and defensive game plan
Part 2 - Sign & trade Joe, deal Chils and/or Marvin for a shooter at the 3
Part 3 - FIND PG AND C, STAT!
in-fighting...heard this one before
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlM693olscRzlw5hCg1pU8S8vLYF?slug=ys-hawkscoach061010
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Food for thought
If u can think openly. You do not judge a coach by what he does with stars but by what he does with role players when you talk maximizing which some of you guys falsely state that Casey has done. Casey did not make anyone better. Ricky Davis nor Wally got better under Casey when both had been 20 pt guys at some point in there careers. K.G. is K.G. regardless a 1st ballot HOF’er. So, what did Casey maximize? He certainly did not get the best out of Davis or Wally. So, he is a if guy. If he had had a better team. What about Woody? What if he had a true C which he never had, what if he had a PG that could play D and push the ball? You can say that he did but did not play him in Teague, but he still won 53 games. My if guy, Woody is better than your if guy Casey. What happened to raising the ceiling which the Hawks gave as reason for firing Woody. Casey is clearly not raising the ceiling and that is my problem with Casey and will continue to be, he is not what we need, what we say we are looking for. No, I do not know if any other candidate will be, but I know its not Casey.
Wins and defense
Honestly I don’t have a preference in either coach but your bias against Casey is unbelievable.
The team was at .500 when he was fired. They were in the top 10 defensively. They were going to make the playoffs. After he was fired, the T’Wolves went 12-32 and were in the bottom 3 defensively, as KB21 and others have pointed out multiple times. In what way is that not maximizing?
what if he had a PG that could play D and push the ball? You can say that he did but did not play him in Teague, but he still won 53 games
So basically he did have a PG that fits your “what if” criteria, but didn’t use him, but that’s ok, even though he needed to since that is your “what if” criteria.
Casey had Kevin Garnett. That is it. Do not pretend that Ricky Davis is even an average NBA player. He had been a 20 point shooter, but instead he was a 17 point shooter who shot a career 3rd-best FG percentage and a career-best 3-point FG percentage. Isn’t that maximizing Ricky Davis? What Wally are you talking about? Just wondering, since there wasn’t one who played for the T’Wolves.
Essentially, according to your argument, Mike Woodson is a better coach than Dwane Casey, because Casey did not maximize his team (which he did) while Woody won 53 games with a team that had tuned him out. Interestingly enough, it seems like Woodson is the one who failed to maximize anything but Joe Johnson’s shot attempts.
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Seriously Guy
Wally Szczerbiak did not play for the Wolves?
by Truthspitter on Jun 11, 2010 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Do your research
See I am not some kid who sees a guy in summer league and falls in love with him I actually watch and do research
by Truthspitter on Jun 11, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
To answer my ?
Yes he played for them while your Casey guy was coaching
by Truthspitter on Jun 11, 2010 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Not in 2006-07
The season that all us Casey guys are talking about
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by acie4mvp on Jun 11, 2010 9:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You really think Woody maxamized the team?
You don’t think they could have beaten Milwaukee in less then 7 games? Or at least lost CLOSE to Orlando in ONE GAME? This was seriously the limit you placed on the team?
Seriously
Talk all the iso Joe you want but Casey did not make anyone better, his star K.G. got all the attention the same as Woody’s star Joe, but Woody won more games and took a team farther on several occasions. Casey is at best Woody in that aspect as his star is the only one who really shined as has been pointed out by guys riding his sack. Even you guys have enough since to state that he only had K.G. and scrubs which is false but thats what u pro Casey guys like to point out. Seriously, this is mute, you deserve what u get this looking in on a guy is the same thing that was done with Marvin and Sheldon and failed both times it will fell again and you just are not open enough to see it. Casey is not the best guy but the guy you guys want and I’m done.
By the way, anyone with a username like Acie4MVP has no credibility that bum is done in the NBA and he was your hero.
KG says nothing but good things about Casey
Do you think JJ would honestly give a great report of Woody’s abilities?
Yeah he would
like acknowledging Woody for the great trust that he put on JJ, like running the iso-JOE most of the time
It's 'moot', not 'mute'
And it’s ‘fail’, not ‘fell’.
While I fully know what you are, I seem to have a desire to continue feeding you, so here goes.
First of all, you need to cool off for a bit. You seem to have selective reading issues because as far as from what I have read, KB and Kris both have stated multiple times that they aren’t absolute pro-Casey. The fact that you can’t seem to grasp is that Casey did indeed have his team playing at max ability by the mid-point of the ‘06-’07 season. Whether Casey is the right coach for us or not is irrelevant to this point. You are just plain wrong, which doesn’t surprise me considering your track record here.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
this guy doesnt f*cking get it
joe’s supporting cast is far more superior than K.G.’s supporting cast.
You’re an idiot. Honestly you have ignored everything everyone else has said without adding anything except for what you have made up
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by acie4mvp on Jun 11, 2010 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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