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What's keeping the Hawks from drafting players taller than 6'10" who are worth holding down a spot in NBA rotations? Acquiring a true center project to develop would have been a nice move for the Hawks.

Zaza Pachulia, who I highly doubt is 26 years old, saw his minutes and production fall off this past season. A center that only shoots at a 48% clip is not a good fit for a system that employs high usage guards.

Winning teams recognize the importance of size. It doesn't matter if you run the triangle, the Princeton system, a heavy-screening / movement offense or isolation ball, you cannot win a championship without at least two truly serviceable big men of 6'10" or taller. Orlando is secure at center with Dwight Howard and Marcin Gortat, and they still drafted Daniel Orton. In the playoffs, it's more important to be deep at the four or five than anywhere else.

Star-divide

Outside of Al Horford, the Hawks franchise has been more than underwhelming in their drafting of big bodies. We all knew that already. The problem is that the Hawks think entirely too hard when drafting for PF/C and they often draft them too high (i.e. Shelden Williams). While Josh Smith plays PF, I think we all agree that he should be at SF much like Gerald Wallace, so he really doesn't count. Solomon Jones was a second round flyer and a solid pick a few years ago, but even his young career is looking like it will soon fizzle out.

The Hawks should be happy with the addition of Jordan Crawford for #27 value last night. He's a scorer and he gives the team security if they were to have to part ways with Joe Johnson this summer. He wouldn't replace Johnson's production immediately and his impact won't be as instant has Jamal Crawford's, but he's young and should be impressionable enough for Larry Drew and staff to mold and fit into their new system.

My beef is with the botching of making a second draft pick that could have filled a serious need for the team. There was a string of 6'11" or taller players that were picked late in last night's draft by teams that recognize the importance of size in a winning equation.

Money was clearly the factor in the Hawks' decisions and moves on draft night. Picks were cashed in like savings bonds and not used for substance. A Pape Sy Euro stash over is not the type of move that Hawks fans will tolerate at this point. The bottom line is that he's an investment and will most likely be sent off to another team down the line.

If the Hawks want to continue to play Horford out of position at center, how useful would it be to sub in for him with a physical presence? I'm afraid we won't know based on the Hawks' antics this summer.

Chris Craft can be followed on Twitter @ChrisQueso and read/heard at FanScribe.net

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Shawn Marion

I agree. He doesn’t have the range of Wallace. But what about Shawn Marion? Marion used to get lucky from time to time in his Phoenix days with his broken J, but at this point his career (a more mature point) he has pretty much abandoned the jumper and focuses on scoring closer to the hoop. It’s not the best proposition having someone that can’t shoot at the 3 though. Josh is way too talented of a player and I can only imagine how dangerous he will be once he really gets comfortable offensively.

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jun 25, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also quicker defensively...

again the biggest problem with Smoove at the 3 isn’t his jump shot, although it’s far from good enough to play the perimeter. It’s his lack of quickness defensively, his lack of handle offensively, and also his penchant for staying around the 3 point line where he is much, MUCH less effective compared to when he’s closer to the rim.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 25, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Effort...

I agree with your first comment. I think effort is the bigger issue with Smith. It’s easier for him to use his athleticism off the ball / from the weakside on defense. I’m sure the fellow could move better if he really put his mind to it.

Ron Artest moves like he has bricks for shoes (though he is stronger and has much quicker and stronger hands) but it’s his effort and heart that still makes him an effective defender at the 3. Yes, he too struggles with quicker 3s but his motor closes the gap.

Josh waking up with the motor and effort of Ron Ron is wishful thinking but totally unrealistic.

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jun 25, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The whole idea of Smoove at the 3 is "wishful thinking but totally unrealistic"...

offensively, he’s no where close. He doesn’t have the handle to penetrate, or the jumper to step outside. Get more than 2 or 3 steps from the rim, and he’s a liability with the ball. He’s got good passing skills, but offensively he’s much more a C than SF.

Defensively, as I said he’s just not quick enough. He gets blown by, even when he’s giving effort, by quicker, perimeter oriented 4s. Imagine how he’d handle SGs in a small lineup, or SFs with perimeter skills like Carmello, Mickael Pietrus, etc. It’d get ugly.

It’s a pipe dream to think of Josh Smith as a SF. He does not fit that position in any way, shape, or form. And unlike your assertion above, a lot more around here will disagree with that thought than would agree.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 25, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Welcome to the site, but very few here think Smoove is a 3 playing the 4. More think he is closer to a 5 than a 3.

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jun 28, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

NP

I think you’ll find that while we are a small community, we are a very informed community and feel strongly about our opinions. There are some common thoughts that prevail such as JJ would be nice, but not for max money and surely not for six years, however Smoove moving to the three gets shot down quick here.

Enjoy!

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jun 28, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, welcome

welcome. Let’s hope you are arriving on an upswing and not a down.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

The difference between Wallace and Smith isn't the jumper...

cause neither have that. It’s lateral quickness and hustle. Wallace has both, so he can succeed at SF. Smoove doesn’t, which means he can’t. The hustle is a general problem, but the lack of quickness is what really matters at SF. He’s not quick enough to defend face up, perimeter oriented 4s like Reshard Lewis. Putting him against 3s defensively would have him blown by off the dribble by anyone with a decent handle. The idea of Smoove at the 3 is absolutely nuts, and imo, he’s closer to a natural C than natural SF.

Also, buddy needs to correct the line about “Casey and staff”. Really dude?

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 25, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also reject any plan to move Josh to the Small Forward position

The problem with Josh on the perimeter is that he doesn’t recognize his own limitations. If you plant him out there then he is either going to shoot the three or shoot from a step inside, neither of which is he going to make at a high percentage. He doesn’t really have the handle to create his own shot either.

Defensively he has shown that he is a good help defender but still needs to improve his on the ball defense. We have to keep this guy close to the basket and I think Larry Drew already recognizes that.

The only area that I think Josh could make the transition smoothly would be in the transition game but he has an even bigger advantage at the power forward position in that area now.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jun 26, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

NO BETTER THAN SHELDEN WILLIAMS

Any big picked up at #31 will not be any better than Shelden Williams or Solomon Jones… so why waste it?!?!?!

by jdewayneatl on Jun 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

You think?

Paulão Prestes begs to differ.

by Fan Scribe Chris on Jun 25, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

waste what?

money? oh the ASG never does that

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jun 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.

by Jesse28 on Jun 28, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Hawks had a good draft

The Hawks motivations for selling the second round pick (whether financial or plan-oriented) kept this from being a GREAT draft. In all honesty, if the Hawks had kept their original picks (not traded down) and acquired the two players that they did, everyone would be roses. Sure, some would criticize the Pape Sy pick (though there wasn’t much else), but for the most part everyone would have generally accepted this.

Just because the Hawks knew what they wanted, and decided it would be good to save money in the process, does not make this a poor draft. It would have been great if we had drafted at 31 but we didn’t . So what?

by axhfan on Jun 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

And does anyone remember

When Dave Pendergraft came out saying that there was hardly anybody worth drafting past 20?

by axhfan on Jun 25, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, ...

he was full of shit then. That was about as dumb a thing as he could have said.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 25, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very Much Agree

This was a good draft that could have been a great draft had they utilized the second pick they got in the deal on a young player. Granted, the chances of that player making a contribution on the team in 2010-2011 is very slim, but there was a very good chance that whoever they had taken with that pick to keep would have contributed on this team in 2-3 years time. Had they come away with Jordan Crawford and Jarvis Varnado or Hassan Whiteside, this could have been a great draft. Coming away with Jordan Crawford and being able to move down to get him is a good thing though.

Also, I think the phrase “true center” should never be mentioned again, because their is no such thing in the NBA today. The best center in the league is a power forward based on size standards. The players who in the league who have true center size are very limited players. The league has changed. This isn’t the same NBA that was dominated by 7 footers in the early ‘90s. This is a guard oriented league now where the big men are smaller and more athletic. Players like Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire, Nene Hilario, Al Horford, Chris Bosh, and Al Jefferson are logging the majority of the minutes at the center position in the NBA today while the true sized guys like Roy Hibbert are getting maybe 25 minutes a night. All of the names mentioned above with the exception of Hibbert are 6’10" or shorter. Playing the center position in the NBA today is not about size. It is about length and athleticism.

http://soaringdownsouth.com/

by KB21 on Jun 25, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for the "true center" comments

I’m so tired of people talking down Horford as a center. It aint the 90s.

by axhfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he's only 6'10"

That means he’s really a power forward and not a center, even though the average height of an NBA center is 6’10".

http://soaringdownsouth.com/

by KB21 on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwight-Howard-2888/

Dwight is 6’9" without shoes and 6’10.25" with shoes. He’s not 6’11". He may be listed at that, but he has never actually measured out at 6’11".

http://soaringdownsouth.com/

by KB21 on Jun 26, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has he measured since 18?

He might have grown an inch or two since.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unlikely.

Very few people still have open epiphyseal plates when they are 18 years old. At that point, people tend to grow more out than up. Vertical growth typically ends once a person has gone through puberty.

http://soaringdownsouth.com/

by KB21 on Jun 26, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait and See

I think the Hawks had a good night and I firmly believe that Sund is a guy who knows what he is doing. Let us wait and see what happens in free agency because that is what this draft was for a lot of people including the Hawks. Instead of getting some center who might take four to five years to become anything serviceable we will probably end up signing some veteran center who will more than satisfy are need for a center

by RealSquawk on Jun 25, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Omar Samhan to play for Hawks in summer league

There is your project big man with size you crave.

http://soaringdownsouth.com/

by KB21 on Jun 25, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Pape Sy intrigues/scares me

A 6’7 SF that no one else asked to workout. The Hawks specifically recruited him. I guess Hawks scouting found something special. Can’t wait for summer league.

by axhfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

my reaction to this draft

yell, scream, holler

Atlanta Hawks=the team that drafted big $$$$$$$$$ instead of big men.

by hawves on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

On the one hand, I agree. OTOH, I expect if the Hawks had drafted a big at 31, he would have sat at the end of the bench (often in street clothes) all year, only getting action during blow outs. It shouldn’t cost the Hawks much to re-sign Morris or Hunter to keep the 13th spot on the roster warm.

by redwards95 on Jun 26, 2010 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we are ignoring the best part of this posting...

actual photographic proof that Pape Sy is a real person and not some figment of Sund’s imagination. Now quick, how tall is Adam Silver because Sy looks 3-4 inches taller?
Here he is with 6’9 Jonas Jerebko, so could I’m guesstimating Sy at 6’5-6’7.

by Mr. Sanchez on Jun 26, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha Good Call

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/

by Kris Willis on Jun 26, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

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