The Josh Childress/Atlanta Hawks Situation
My favorite swingman is in the news again.
About this time last season, we hoped, nay, longed for our Lost Son, Josh Childress, to come back into the fold as a Hawk.
We spoke to Childress in his last season as a Hawk, and he spoke of the wanting of being important, a feeling he did not get from the current coaching staff or some of his teammates, whom he said considered him a bench player and energy guy.
Childress famously left the Hawks two summers ago to head to Greece, where he has experienced some renown for his play over there. Last summer, the Hawks did what they had to do contractually to retain his rights by offering a restricted free agent qualifying offer.
However, things transpired that kept Childress from coming back to the Hawks, and now, some of those restrictions have been removed, and one wonders, could the last of those be the departure of Joe Johnson?
More after the poll and the jump:
From this writer's (obviously) limited opinion, Childress originally left for these reasons:
1. Money
2. An unhappy work environment
3. No other NBA offers that the Hawks couldn't match.
Childress knew that the Hawks, if presented with an affordable deal to match, would do just that, match it. He did not want to do this given what was an unhappy work environment. From my conversation with him in 2008 the opportunity to play was paramount in where he would sign his next contract. Given that Mike Woodson had slotted him into the bench role and that, in a 790 the Zone interview in 2008, he felt some of his teammates held him in lesser standing due to that role, it was obvious to me even in November 2007 that the Hawks would need to change these things to keep Childress in Atlanta.
So, with Woodson still in place, a lack of an overwhelming contract to stay in Atlanta and accept the role he had there, and that no team was in position to give him a deal that the Hawks would not match, Childress evacuated the NBA to both escape his lot in his NBA life and get paid by Olympiakos.
The Hawks maintained rights to Childress and, when last summer came around, they kept those rights by submitting the same qualifying offer from the summer before. This time, like the last, Childress again failed to find a contact situation that would free him from the Hawks, though he did visit Milwaukee this time around. Faced with the options of coming back and playing out the qualifying offer to become an unrestricted free agent this summer or going back to Greece, Josh went back across the ocean and ended up playing for (and winning) a Greek Cup championship.
Now, Greece is financially strug-a-ling, so now might be the time for Josh to come back, but where and how might this take place?
We know that the Hawks are going to submit another qualifying offer to Childress, putting him back into the same position he was in the previous two summers. So what will Josh do?
If he wants to play in the NBA, he's going to have to go through the Hawks to do so, be it playing out a single season, sign an extension, or through the restricted free agent process (offer sheet/sign-trade).
It doesn't seem like the Hawks have been or currently interested in signing Childress to a long term deal, unless it's matching a market value offer for Josh from another team via the offer sheet process. But Woodson is gone, a presumed hindrance to Josh even playing a single season more in Atlanta.
But the other elements of the unhappy work environment perhaps still remain---the specter of teammates who held Childress in lower standing and may still be in place.
One of these pieces was Marvin Williams, who was thrust ahead in the rotation at Childress' expense per Woodson's desires. Another, maybe more importantly, is Joe Johnson, whose usage rates portent to accuse Joe of keeping the ball away from more than just Childress.
However, with Johnson's free agency pending, it could impact Josh in two ways. One, if Joe stays, it soaks up a lot of dollars, and Cunningham's piece hypothesizes that given the Hawks aversion to luxury taxes, a Joe contract in Atlanta would exclude a match for an offer to Childress.
This may not be the case. There are no guarantees that Josh will get a sizeable offer from another team....nothing has changed to indicate that Childress was anymore starter worthy than when he left the league in 2008. Whether I believe him to be is irrelevant (totally)---Josh has been unable to convince any team in the last two seasons to go beyond the mid-level exception to get him, if he even received that kind of offer. Even more plain, there is no guarantee of starters minutes/importance/playing time that Childress has been able to secure as well.
So the fact that Johnson, or if he does indeed, remain in Atlanta, may still not seal Josh's perceived desire to depart the Hawks.
If Johnson does leave, does this create a vacuum from which Childress can step in and obtain the satisfaction he desires on the court? Maybe not when you consider that:
1. Jamal Crawford is still on the roster
2. Marvin Williams is still on the roster.
3. If Joe does leave, it's likely a backcourt player or small forward will be coming back in a sign/trade.
The issue of Crawford is an interesting one. At first blush, it seems like Crawford is happy with his sixth man role considering being recognized for it as well as well as the significant success he had in the role. But was this acceptance of the role simply born from the desperation for playing on a winning team and being behind an all-star such as Johnson? With Joe gone, and a new head coach, would Crawford still be asked to come off the bench---and would he want to if he is?
The Hawks last season signed Williams to the extension the Childress might have/should have received. His financial presence on the roster, as much as physical, looms over the situation.
There is no great scenario for Childress to choose from---no guarantees of freedom or meeting his goals. If there was some feeling in 2008 that his situation would change, that feeling has gone unreconciled. Perhaps that's why he chose to change representation---because he's still in the same pickle, NBA-wise, as he was when he left.
The best bet for Childress is as it was three seasons ago. Play out the qualifier, and be free to select any team to play for, and get on with his pro career...at least this time it would also include the NBA.
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Would Drew allow for more of a competition to start?
meaning would Marvin starting over Chill be automatic under Drew?
Good question
…was Drew an ally for Chillz orignially…how does that impact this item? that’s why I mentioned the money part…that, plus the fact that Marvin has been here, would likely play against Josh, I would think.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jun 22, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He is
A bench player and energy guy, they were very disappointed in his play and the contract they gave him overseas at times during these 2 years, just read, other times they were fine with him, but Chills is nothing other than a bench player and energy guy, you don’t need people on your team who will not accept there roles, he should be used in a sign and trade
The numbers say Josh
..at least the numbers I care about.. :-)
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jun 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
I take Josh
Over Marvin. Josh does give something that no other Hawk is willing to give and that is running the baseline and constantly cutting when cuts are available. I think Josh has a much better IQ than Marvin and he also seems to know how to use his athletic tools better. He still can’t shoot but Marvin doesn’t make shots consistently either. I don’t know if Josh is the rebounder Marvin is either. I would trade both for Rudy Gay and a late night trip to Fulton Indy, lmao
by Truthspitter on Jun 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh and Marvin are comparable, but different players.
Both are role players who were not utilized correctly under Woodson/Knight.
It's really hard to vote in the poll
Because the Joe Johnson situation is a huge obstacle. If Joe stays, there’s just no room for Childress. If Joe leaves, and they get a swingman back, there’s still no room. If Joe leaves and nothing gets back, then I’d think the Hawks would at least get Childress for his qualifying offer.
I really hope he comes back, mainly because he’s a good player that attracted me to the Hawks when I first started paying attention to the NBA during the season they first made the playoffs, but partly because my girlfriend went to Greece and bought a Childress Olympiacos jersey that I really want to wear at a Hawks game next year.
THHB, you stole my thunder! Here are the numbers I found. In terms of the Four Factors, Childress has a higher ORR, higher EFG%(Childress’s worst EFG% year is better than every one of Marvin’s with the exception of Marvin’s 08-09s. The other 3 years are MUCH better than Marvin’s), while Marvin has a higher FT rate and turns the ball over less(really!?). Additionally, Childress has a higher AST% while Marvin has a better DRR. Steals and blocks are about even. Put it all together and I think Childress is clearly the more productive player. In fact, I’d say Childress would be better than every perimeter player on the roster with the exception of Joe Johnson. Especially when you take into account defense.
Why are we saying one more wing and that's all we need?...
Cause it isn’t. Mo Evans is nice, as is Crawford and Bibby or Teague. But we need better depth, and just one more addition on the wings isn’t enough imo. I’m thinking we need two more wings and two more bigs capable of joining the rotation. 12 legit players total.
that's assuming the spirit don't go over the cap
and if that’s what they want to do then signing or not signing Joe is the least of their problems.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I'm trying to be realistic
ASG has money for 1 more wing and that’s it. I agree that we need more depth, but what the team needs and the what ASG is willing to spend on are two different things.
Didn't mean to thief your thunder!
Thanks for the numbers there…Childress was under-appreciated by Woody and Sund.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jun 23, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Emmm
Marvin is better then Childress. He is a MUCH better defender at the 3( Can you see Childress guarding Lebron)? Marvin is also a much better shooter.
bring the baseline bum back
I prefer chilly over mo. but it really won’t be space for him if jj leaves or stays. we are going to get a “capable” sg if jj leaves or 2 so marv and chill will still be at odds over their roles but although I love marv and his hustle, both him and chillz are alike. though, I would like chillz back
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
and
Marv is a lock down defender while chillz is a energy guy. like a smart and skilled Mario west. Nah, bad comparison. but he does cut and rebound well. though like I said before, him and marv are alike and seem to have the same role
IF YOU CANT ACCEPT LOSING, YOU CANT WIN.
by Hawksgirl on Jun 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To My Afro Amigo
The only thing that makes sense is that he plays out his qualifier and then has the choice of making his own decision… On the issue of who better I would have to say Chillz is a much better all around defender while Marv is a good situational defender… Look at the stats Chillz has a better Rebound Total (5.6 to 5.4) Better FG % (.522 to .451) Better 3 Pt % (.36 to .301) Better Ast (1.8 to 1.4) and Better Steals (1 to .8)… Those offensive numbers are MONSTER he’s a smart guy whos not gonna make stupid shots
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jun 23, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
I think Josh
Is what we needed Marvin to be. A slasher, someone who does not need a play called for him. If Joe comes back, Josh would be perfect to start at SF. However, if Joe leaves, I would start Josh at SG and Marvin at SF. With this new motion offense and less of a need for ISO, Josh would fit in either way.
"Opposition in my face, trying to play the fence, I'm bigger than this dude, this don't make no sense, I Air Jordan on 'em". - K-Drama
by Sterling Platinum on Jun 23, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
Yup, he filled a role that is still missed
…Maurice does it some of the time, but Chillz did it all of the time. Loved him.
by The Human Highlight Blog on Jun 23, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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