Atlanta Hawks June 20th Workout Preview
Sunday will be the seventh day in a row of workouts in preparation for the June 24th draft. It also will be one of the most anticipated as both Craig Brackins and Jarvis Varnado will be in town to work out.
Hawks Draft Workout Schedule
Individual Player Breakdowns after the Jump.
Brackins is a slight enigma as his numbers slid badly during his junior campaign. Still he is a versatile big man that has a 6'10" frame. He is an offensive threat inside and out with range out to the college three point line. Excellent athlete who runs the floor very well for his size. He is not a great defender and was very inconsistent in college this season thus he has seen his stock slide to late first round. He could in fact be a steal with a late first round pick.
Caracter is a first round talent that has had his draft stock hurt with a multitude of of off the court problems. He is a legit 6'10" and possesses a wonderful post game. His problem lies in his character as he is often out of shape and has little work ethic about him. He is really a tragedy because he has the talent to be a legit pro but seemingly has wasted it.
I could find little to no information on Sullivan other than he is a 6'9" Power Forward/Center out of Southeastern Louisiana college. He averaged 15.7 points and 8.7 rebounds as a senior. Had 19 points and 13 rebounds in a loss to LSU. He doesn't appear to be on anyone's draft boards at Draft Express or NBADraft.net
Varnado is the NCAA's all time leader in block shots. He is an outstanding defender and a great leaper. He stands 6'10" but has a 7'4" wingspan. He is a first round talent on the defensive end who also cleans up the boards well. Varnado is still developing on the offensive end of the floor
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Okay Guys
According to MC at the AJC the Hawks have about 5 potential targets for the 24th pick. I want to hear who you guys think those 5 players are.
Peachtree Hoops
Swat Baby
You are correct Kris this is the most anticipated day so far with 2 guys that can legitimately add to Hawks quality depth. Swat is tied for the 5th best combination of height, length, and athleticism in the draft with Trevor Booker his combination is very similar to that of Al’s and they both had productive college careers. I can’t see why this guys is considered a 2nd rd pick in the minds of most other than he is slim and still needs to continue to develop. He is the best shot blocker in college basketball history and has proven more than almost any of these guys going before him. Brackins is tied for 4th with a combination better than Al’s, that says a lot considering he also can make jump shots already and would be a adequate replacement for what we thought we were getting in Joe Smith offensively. Character as is noted does not reportedly have good character and he is not that great to take a chance on when his attitude and approach is in such question.
Finally, I would love to have Swat but I don’t know how much value he holds at #24 when teams have him rated too low. I would not mind seeing the Hawks pick up a earlier 2nd rd pick to get a good player. I have been watching some so-called expert analysis and some of them have pointed out rightfully that the guy you can get at 20 will have a similar talent level to the guy you can get earlier in the 2nd round this year. That is why so many people were almost in a uproar after hearing statements from the Hawks front office that they were not looking for a impact player at #24. That’s just a problem to see a franchise so enable to do there homework.
My 5
Whiteside
Brackins
Varnado
Stanley Robinson
Terrico White
Not that I agree but I think that’s how they may lean
Sorry
I like Booker also as I have stated so don’t think I don’t like him just because I did not put him in what I think the Hawks might be thinking
I'm a Jarvis fan.
As a Mississippi State alumnus and big fan, I would love nothing more than to see Jarvis Varnado have a successful career with the Atlanta Hawks. With that said, I have serious questions about his ability to transition his shot blocking skill to the NBA. His lack of size is very concerning to me, as he could be little more than another Tyrus Thomas in the NBA. I’m very concerned about his ability to rebound in the NBA. Overall, Jarvis only averaged 9.2 rebounds per 40 minutes as a senior, and there were times where his rebounding disappeared. Early in his career, he played next to Charles Rhodes, who was a stronger rebounder. Mississippi State has always been a strong rebounding team. They lead the SEC in rebounding differential for something like 6 years in a row prior to the past two seasons. When Rhodes left and MSU was forced to play the undersized Phil Turner a the four position and the weak rebounding Kodi Augustus this past year, their overall rebounding numbers and differential dropped. I just don’t think Jarvis has the body for the NBA.
Craig Brackens would be a mistake pick. The guy is known as an offensive player, yet he is a very inefficient scorer that lets his man push him away from the basket and doesn’t gain position on the low block very well despite the fact that 40% of his offensive possessions come in low post situations. Defensively, he’s nonexistant at this point, and he’s not much better as a rebounder than Jarvis is.
Overall, I’d rather take Gani Lawal than the guys mentioned here. Gani may be limited offensively, but his rebounding ability dwarfs both Brackins and Varnado. He won’t block shots like Jarvis, but he will play better positional defense. Honestly, Jarvis reminds me a lot of former Alabama shot blocker Roy Rogers.
Jarvis Varnado
measured at 6"8.25 without shoes, u play in shoes, shoes give u a inch, he is 6"9.25 with shoes on, we he says size he must mean strength and weight. As for Charles Rhodes your wrong he was not a stronger rebounder than Swat, go look at the stats. Rhodes never averaged a full 10 rebs a game which Varnado did. Lawal measures shorter than Varnado and does not have his college track record. Yes he is physically stronger, so why did he not dominate to the extinct that Varnado did in college. I too am a alum of Mississippi State and Varnado is the most underrated player in this draft he will answer all the questions like winners do, like Dejuan Blair with a missing ACL is doing. I’m happy some are out thinking themselves I’m just hear to do my best to make sure its not us
by Truthspitter on Jun 21, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Final Word
Lawal had 15 double figure rebounding games this year in 36 games while playing with Favors which should help when you have someone else to bang with.
Varnado had 20 double figure rebounding games this year in 36 games while banging by himself, no other NBA talent down low because if you really are a MSU guy you know Augustus is a grade A headcase.
So, I don’t get where your facts are coming from. Varnado trumphs Lawal in everything except strength and if Lawal is so much stronger why does it not translate to playing better or putting up better numbers?
by Truthspitter on Jun 21, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Rhodes vs Varnado vs Lawal
Rhodes averaged more than 2 rebounds per 40 minutes more than Jarvis in Charles’s last season (‘07-’08), and his final season numbers were almost one rebound more per 40 minutes than Jarvis. So, yes. Charles was a stronger rebounder, even though he wasn’t a great rebounder.
Gani Lawal averaged 13.2 rebounds per 40 minutes this past year compared to Jarvis’s 9.2 rebounds per 40 minutes, and he did that playing alongside another strong rebounder. Jarvis didn’t have another strong rebounder taking rebounds from him.
http://soaringdownsouth.com/
I'm wrong
Jarvis averaged 9.2 defensive rebounds per 40 and 12.9 per forty overall.
http://soaringdownsouth.com/
Im sorry
but why do so many people try to paint things in there favor. You are typing per 40 numbers instead of actual numbers, I prefer actual numbers because they go deeper than some if-based numbers like per 40, Varnado averaged more rebounds than Lawal and had more double figure rebounding games, that’s 2 to 1, per 40 is just 1 aspect. The per 40 is like saying if a guy plays 40 minutes, so why didn’t he play 40? Maybe he is incapable of playing 40 and ever living up to his per 40. Who plays 40 minutes and lives up to those numbers? Those are fantasy numbers and IMO, fantasy is the only place that Lawal is better than Varnado
by Truthspitter on Jun 22, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of the benefit of per 40...
takes out team slant. Varnado plays more minutes because Miss St has no other bigs. Lawal on the other hand is sharing minutes with solid players in Favors and Zach Peacock. It changes the chances to snag rebounds.
Opinions are usually slanted
Varnado may play more minutes because the coach loves what he brings to the table and Lawal may play fewer because the coach does not love what he brings to the table. My point is I would rather focus on facts instead of some what if stat like per 40. Furthermore, the reality is Swat average more rebounds and had more double figure rebounding games measured better at the combine in every aspect except for weight-lifting to me it is obvious who people are slanting things for. Not only does manage do a poor job most of you bloggers do also
by Truthspitter on Jun 22, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Per40
This isn’t a made-up stat. It isn’t a slanted opinion. It’s simply a different metric with which to measure comparable players. Even going by your esteemed double-digit rebounding games, Lawal (15) put up almost as many as Varnado (20) yet he did so with Favors next to him and he did so in less minutes (211 less minutes to be exact).
The purpose of using such a metric is to allow comparisons between players without regard to pace of the game, hence the term “tempo-free stats”. If anything, looking at per game stats alone (which can and are a product of pace) doesn’t give you enough information. KB’s premise is that given the same number of minutes played, based on the two players Per40 numbers, Lawal should eventually come out on top in those stats mentioned above.
That’s not to say that there aren’t other factors that should be considered when comparing the two players, but that with regards to rebound rate, Lawal wins out over a set amount of minutes. That doesn’t mean that your opinion of Varnado over Lawal is invalid, no more than it would be if others value Lawal over Varnado, so I don’t understand your incessant need to constantly attack people. I’m starting to believe that it is simply a lack of understanding so I’ve provided some helpful links below. Who knows, maybe you’ll learn something; maybe not proper English or grammar, but something.
Big Ten Wonk’s Tempo-Free Stats breakdown
SBN’s The Only Colors’ Tempo-Free Stats for Dummies
StatSheet Player Compare tool
The only thing missing from this site is a complete list of Per36 and Per40 stats, but this tool is amazing regardless.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
I understand
Those stats and thanks for the info but I still don’t believe that they are as useful as some would think. I’m ready for this to be over with. I will follow Swat closely wherever he goes. Got a feeling it will be a team that scouts well, he will dominate you Josh as u whine for fouls. Go Swat, Go Hawks
by Truthspitter on Jun 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bet that he doesn't last long...
and never gets a season averaging double digit minutes. Just don’t think he is thick/strong enough to play in the paint, and lacks the offensive ability to get any farther from the basket. I loved Varnado as a college player, but just don’t think he’s strong enough or skilled enough to last in the NBA.
Longer
than Lawal and I would bet anyone that
by Truthspitter on Jun 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the most backwards statement I think you have ever made
And KB isn’t “painting things in his favor” as that would imply that he is simply making things up or exaggerating the truth, which he isn’t. KB is simply providing objective data to support his point of view, something that you seem to fail to grasp on a continual basis.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
Cook
Me some grilled salmon make yourself useful Jesse
by Truthspitter on Jun 22, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
5 guys the Hawks are most focused on?
Hard to say. My hope is that it’s some combination of the following:
Eric Bledsoe
Dominique Jones
Jordan Crawford
Jarvis Varnado
Gani Lawal
Terrico White
Stanley Robinson

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