Orlando Magic 112, Atlanta Hawks 98 or Josh Smith plays preseason basketball
by hawksdawgs on May 6, 2010 11:51 PM EDT
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PrintWell give credit where credit is due. This was less worst performance ever and more the better team can play better for 48 minutes. So we are making strides.
And because of those strides, only three main culprits exists, and I hate to harp on culprits but the facts of this series are obvious, the Magic are better. Outlining how things could be built on is absurd. The Hawks do not need to build on anything, they need to stop doing things. When you lose by double digits, it is not the refs or the missed shots. No, it is that you do not do things that make you a competitive basketball team. Who does not do those things? Well I am glad you asked.
It is fitting that the man was -24 for the game (worst on the team). Sure the final stats look ok, but he may have single handedly cost the game with fake injuries, pouting, lack of effort, and turnovers. Listen, I love Josh Smith, but he has no make up switch. There exists nothing in his person that inspires a vendetta like atmosphere on his own horrible actions. Josh is always right, and when he is wrong, it clearly does not matter. That is his mindset. I have never seen an above average starter play less like it was playoff basketball in my life than Josh did tonight. For all the Atlanta pride he speaks of and righteous gripes about talent under utilized, there was no excuse for Josh, and he has no reason to hold his head high when he dominates next year in January. This city will not get behind his poor effort, his fake fouls, his pouting. We pay money to watch you be great Josh. Intentionally being horrible is unacceptable. It is insulting. It makes people not show up to see that brilliance in Janurary. And that my friend is why you did not make an all-star game, and that is why you did not deserve to.
Typical Joe. The quietest first half 15 points you will ever see. I felt like Al Horford had twice as many points. And then the second quarter? Too much dribbling, forced isolation, killing ball movement. It all almost seemed purposeful. I know it was not, but it looked so "I have to get mine" in the face of first quarter success. Listen, in a got to have two points moment Joe is the best but he envisions that moment five times a game when that moment does not exist, and it kills the flow of the offense. Period.
Coaches bench Josh Smith. They demand Joe Johnson stop dribbling. They call the ball for the most dominant offensive player in the first half. No, the coach does not make shots or play defense, but he does regulate the standard for those who do. And in that sense, it is very clear, Mike Woodson has no idea what he is doing.
Go Hawks!
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It's almost hard to believe they were actually ahead most if the game until the expected
4th quarter implosion.
Josh Smith is an absolute embarrassment to fans of the game of basketball, Mike Woodson is an embarrassment to coaches of the game of basketball for putting up with Josh Smith, and I am often embarrased to be a fan of the Hawks—never more so than the first two games of this series.
josh Smith reminds me of...
JaMarcus Russel and tonight made realize that. I could never put my finger on it cause he actually puts in some effort. But like Russell he rarely goes 100% and mostly relies on pure talent. Shame shame.
And I know Bibby isn’t the best defender but the O died in the second half without him commanding. I think Woodson has ruined his and a bunch of others careers.
by $73.27 on May 7, 2010 1:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seriously
Why is everyone calling this simply saving face? I really think a lot of people overrate our talent as opposed to championship level teams. I agree that the Hawks play dumb ball for long spurts and Joe who is the main culprit hurt us last postseason also. Seriously Carmelo gets paid $80 mill over 5 years. I think that is a far offer to Joe, really more than far considering the cost of living in Atl. I looked up the rule today, we can actually afford Rudy Gay if we sign him before re-signing Joe. We will have to trade Marvin or Jamal but we can make it work. No it will not happen because we have bad management
No point guard
Hawks effectively are playing with no point guard. Bibby is no point guard, can not distribute, can not penetrate, but worst, can not defend. He got abused & raped by Jameer. So in second half we play with Jamal and JJ and well it is what it is. Lion gets no shots, and ours bigs slow down.
Did any one notice Hawks gave up the lead with Bibby in the line up beginning of second half? So Woody inserts Jamal immediately. Stupid coach, you are where you are not able to defend the points in this league because of not even giving Teague a chance.
Stupid Woody kept a turbocharged car in Teague in the garage all year, now he doesn’t even know if that turbocharged car start. Instead he has to ride a freaking lawn mower of a point guard in Bibby against all teams. Whether it is BJ or now Jameer, we make them all look like Isiah. If there is one thing this team needs, is better ball distribution and defense on the point. 2 ball hogs in Jamal and JJ get us in trouble. I can not stand to not have a point guard any more. Either trade JJ and get a point, or play Teague and lets see what we have. Woody says we are going to let Bibby play more next game, i say what the heck for?
The positive, may be JJ begins to understand he is not max, and he accepts far less money and stays. With a better point guard, he could be a much better player, as is, we ask too much. With a better point, Hawks would have a chance late in the games. Bibby would honestly get 5 minutes a half if he played for Orlando. He would come off their bench and get couple three pointers and sit down. For us, he is the freaking starting point guard.
"Kudos to Bibster, for playing solid, and great defense. He has put it in another gear."
these are your very words on May 2, 2010, 3:10pm PDT, right after the Hawks defeated the Bucks in game 7. And now, after 5 freaking days, you are saying that he would honestly get 5 mins a half if he played for Orlando. Yes, he has been our freaking starting point guard since Feb 2008. Where were the Hawks then and where are they now?
You realize i am a fan - right :)
i can change my mind as a fan. After wins, i get excited. After losses I am desperate.
But here is the point, while I am a Hawks fan and if Bibby plays well I get excited (first game against deer he shot well and last two games he tried hard), the trend is obvious. He has deteriorated drastically. He is not point guard material in this league, certainly not starting point guard for one of top 8 teams left in the playoffs.
This has been constantly taken advantage of by any relatively quick point guard Hawks play against. It has become such, that we ask JJ to defend the faster point guard. Now I am down on JJ, but do fans realize how much we ask of him because of slowness of Bibby.
JJ score the ball. JJ do the ISO because point guard can’t penetrate. JJ defend the supersonic BJ. JJ pass the ball so you have higher assists than our point guard. Smoove and Lion by the way, you run the fast break, because Bibby runs out of breath bringing the ball up, while he is hopping like a bunny from one leg to another.
If Hawks want to jump to the next step of the ladder, they either let Teague play, or add point guard material. To me this is not even debatable at this point.
we are all fans here
i just thought only a woman can change her mind. me being one :) just pls go easy on mike. the guys need him, they look up to him and feel lost when he’s not around.
Will do
As for Orlando and that freak they have, not only is he bigger and has more muscles, but now refs are not calling fouls on him. He should have multiple fouls called against him, even Hubie was saying that, vs. Collins. Instead those paid refs were calling it the other way, ridiculous. Like i said on the thread yesterday, if Cavs make it to East finals, Howard won’t get those calls vs. Shaq, and he won’t play with his elbows. That was a disgrace of calling a game by the refs who were paid under the table by Stern and Disney.
terrible calls and non-calls
while we realize and accept the hawks’ shortcomings, it is very frustrating to see how bad officiating makes things worse. i still believe that we can win at home.
thats the bad part about teague, the playoffs are the wrong time to now say “go out there and get it done” when he hasnt had meaningful time all year
"hand down...man down"
by hawksfaninchi on May 7, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
the whole point of drafting a point guard was so he could contribute valuable minutes during the postseason. There wasn’t a doubt that we would make the playoffs. Why wouldn’t you play Teague during the regular season to get him ready? That’s why I don’t see how Woodson can keep his job after the season ends.
The Jordan Schafer Fan Club.
mistaken identity
Joe thinks he’s Michael Jordan, Woody thinks he’s Larry Brown, and Josh thinks he’s Rasheed Wallace. And they’re all wrong. I don’t know if I can stand watching next year if Sund re-signs Woody and Joe.
This game shows we need Hubie Brown to take over this team
I don’t know how well a coach Hubie was but he is a great analyst. Everytime he calls hawks games he always comments on them like he really knows the team backwards and forwards. He quickly points out weakness, strengths, and faults and produces solutions. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard “You can get that shot anytime,” “Too much dribbling,” “Ball has to go east to west, strong side to weak side,” “give the ball to the guard,” “Josh Smith just came across the half court and that’s unacceptable,” (on a few occassions) They had the game right where it was supposed to be.
But for some strange reason I believe the hawks can take these two at home.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I just get tired of him giving credit.
“You have to give credit to…”
“Now give a lot of credit to…”
At one point last night he used the latter phrase to start a sentence that had nothing to do with giving credit.
yes but...
I’m sure he’d be a big upgrade over Woody, but it doesn’t take much genius to watch the Hawks and see what they’re doing wrong. Even us homer fans can see it pretty easily.
You're not serious about his coaching, though--really?
The guy is 77 years old!!
So?
At that age, he’s still better than most of the guys getting paid to do the job. I’d add him to a staff in a heartbeat.
I said that because, who else would say what he sees?
Not Jon Barry? Mark Jackson? Reggie Miller? Even Steve Smith will say nothing useful until somebody else like Chris Webber says.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Hubie Brown
I love Hubie Brown by the way. I don’t think he’d be interested in coaching at this stage in his life, but he knows everything about basketball.
I’d rather listen to he and Dick Stockton than any other broadcast team out there
In theory
What if the Hawks went with:
PG – Crawford
SG – Johnson
SF – Josh Smith
PF – Horford
C – Zaza
VC would have to guard Johnson and Barnes guard Josh Smith. Knowing Zaza can’t guard Dwight, wouldn’t it at least give the Hawks some good matchups elsewhere since no one on ATL can guard Dwight anyway? It’s a huge lineup and given Al & Smith’s range the Hawks would still be able to get pretty decent spacing. Rashard & Barnes/Pietrus would be a difficult cover on the peremiter for Al & Smith but on the other end if Pietrus was at Small Forward ATL could post up Smith and try to force ORL’s hand to bring the double.
"It can be done, you can just crush somebody"
Josh Childress coming back?
Anybody read this on yahoo?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=tsn-joshchildresswilllik
Apparently they think the chances are good that he will opt out and return to the NBA next season. He will of course be Atlanta’s restricted free agent, so they can match any team’s offer.
This would be nice.
I was thinking earlier that it sure would be nice to have someone like Pietrus instead of Marvin, but this would do as well, maybe even better given our current system.
"You could spend the next fifteen seconds of your life watching a man and a tiger scream together, or you could be an idiot."
Fact.
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